Anyone here into firearms?

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-20-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGiGOTaZ

You make a great point! Let's look at Store's Like Gander Mountain, Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, and all the Mom and Pop Shops in between. Your going to need to create A LOT more jobs now because many of these will all be gone!

yup... and sales is just one aspect. Much fewer trucks will be needed to ship so many guns, postal service will lose a percentage of shipping, FFL holders will lose there share in transfer fee money, mom and pop gun shops will close due to a lack of demand. Lets face it. AR/AK rifles are the cornerstone of the american gun market. Without these, things will change. The only increase in gun sales we'll see is in 1911 pistols and revolvers due to them being of legal capacity. It will also reduce firearms research. Most of the advancements in military rifles have come from ideas that sportsmen on the hunt or in 3G comps have invented in this past decades. It's us civilian sportsmen that make better military rifles. Not military research guys. Military guys make bombs. It makes no sense...
Newer guns are modular and we can personalize them. I'm sure that market will dissipate as well.

Z-Fighter · 12-20-2012, 10:40 AM

There are too many ar-15 style rifles and high capacity mags out there for a ban to be effective now, IMO. I assume most people who are for AWB are the ones who have no firearms experience or were taught guns are bad at a very early age.

m4a1mustang · 12-20-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Z-Fighter

There are too many ar-15 style rifles and high capacity mags out there for a ban to be effective now, IMO. I assume most people who are for AWB are the ones who have no firearms experience or were taught guns are bad at a very early age.

These are people that think an AR type weapon is more deadly against UNARMED targets than any other type of weapon. A Ruger 10/22 could be just as deadly against a group of elementary school kids for crying out loud.

Regardless, people that want the AWB generally think ALL guns are evil, not just AR types. They view an AWB as a start to a total ban... which it is, when you think about it.

OMGiGOTaZ · 12-20-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Z-Fighter

There are too many ar-15 style rifles and high capacity mags out there for a ban to be effective now, IMO. I assume most people who are for AWB are the ones who have no firearms experience or were taught guns are bad at a very early age.

A good majority also come home from the service to carry on regular jobs but still enjoy owning a Military style Rifle to take to the range along with their pistol or bolt action rifle.

OMGiGOTaZ · 12-20-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

These are people that think an AR type weapon is more deadly against UNARMED targets than any other type of weapon. A Ruger 10/22 could be just as deadly against a group of elementary school kids for crying out loud.

Regardless, people that want the AWB generally think ALL guns are evil, not just AR types. They view an AWB as a start to a total ban... which it is, when you think about it.

Agreed! To think someone can't attach a 100rd drum to a glock and be just effective is silly. The AWB could essentially make anything like this an Assault weapon leaving the door open to take away all guns.

Guns for the most of us are a defensive weapon or a tool to fill your table or freezer with food or maybe simply a hobby. Anyone who has taken a gun class hopefully was taught where you can't have a gun. Places that restrict our ability to use our defensive weapons is exactly where these people like to strike.

m4a1mustang · 12-20-2012, 11:14 AM

I am just tired of the blame the gun mentality. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens that pose no threat to anyone. They own guns for sport, hunting, personal protection, etc. Doesn't really matter WHY they have them. It's a right.

We could do so much more to prevent gun violence (and violence in general) by actually enforcing existing laws and by focusing energy on the root causes of violence be it mental health issues or poverty/socioeconomic distress.

The very people our legislature wants to target (us... the law abiding gun owner) are NOT the problem.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-20-2012, 11:37 AM

"AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY". I learned that fast moving from a city(New York) where people are held hostage by criminals and have no civilian gun rights. Versus a city that everyone and grandma pack heat. (Texas) As much as criminals love pointing guns at people, They are the ones most scared of guns being pointed back at them.

It's sad that half of New Yorkers doing time for carrying guns are just honest citizens who just know that NY is just too dangerous NOT to have one on you. So they take the chance and literally "bite the bullet when caught". What kind of option is that?

You can't even own a taser in NYC and get harrassed for having a lockblade in a case, sometimes confiscated. When you're mugged or jumped. The police show up 30 min later and very unintersted in the crime committed against you. They only care about drug busts and tickets. So assault crimes and robbery often go unsolved. Hoodies keep the criminals faces from being seen on cameras so, there goes that.

So whats the answer in NYC.

PS NY police are under investigation after hard evidence has been found that they are manipulating crime statistics to prove crime is doing down. We can't even trust statistics

BlackZeda · 12-20-2012, 11:47 AM

The last AWB was so freaking stupid, but it doesn't suprise me that idiot politicians want to reinstate it. Our government is so retarded right now that it is no wonder that people want to arm themselves. It is so selfish and shortsighted to deny a person the maximum (reasonable) ability to defend themselves and their family. I am not prepper, but I definitely see a few realistic scenarios where one would need an assault rifle. It definitely is not my goto weapon for home defense, but like a fire extinguisher I am glad I have a couple on-hand.

With that said I think I might pick up that H&K P2000 9mm I have had my eye on and order a couple extra high capacity mags today.

MacCool · 12-20-2012, 12:32 PM

For perspective:

This doesn't take into account 1 million deaths annually from preventable heart disease, nor the 350,000 deaths annually from obesity and it's co-morbidities, also largely preventable.

In other news: Eric Holder in an interview about an hour ago suggested that pursuing gun control via Executive Order is a route that he and Obama are considering.

Eric Holder: executive orders on gun control? | WashingtonExaminer.com

One suggested approach that has been gaining traction around Washington is an Executive Order directing that all "assault weapons" would be made to fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934. Personally, I've already been moving in that direction by submitting Form 1's for an 11.5 SBR on a receiver I've had sitting around and doing the same for the receiver of my 16 inch Noveske. I probably won't actually put a short barrel on either, but once registered all I'd have to do is slap an 11.5 inch upper on any of them.

m4a1mustang · 12-20-2012, 12:39 PM

I figured as much.

I wonder what that would mean for existing, non-NFA registered weapons. Would we have to give up possession of our (now) NFA items while we wait years for a dozen ATF agents to process a bazillion forms?

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-20-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

The last AWB was so freaking stupid, but it doesn't suprise me that idiot politicians want to reinstate it. Our government is so retarded right now that it is no wonder that people want to arm themselves. It is so selfish and shortsighted to deny a person the maximum (reasonable) ability to defend themselves and their family. I am not prepper, but I definitely see a few realistic scenarios where one would need an assault rifle. It definitely is not my goto weapon for home defense, but like a fire extinguisher I am glad I have a couple on-hand.

With that said I think I might pick up that H&K P2000 9mm I have had my eye on and order a couple extra high capacity mags today.

My primary HD's are a parausa1911 .45acp and a mossberg 500a cruiser shotgun. My assault rifles are for sport, hobby tinkering and the very low chance of jic-shtf. It is our right carry to possess for all reasons above.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-20-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

For perspective:

This doesn't take into account 1 million deaths annually from preventable heart disease, nor the 350,000 deaths annually from obesity and it's co-morbidities, also largely preventable.

In other news: Eric Holder in an interview about an hour ago suggested that pursuing gun control via Executive Order is a route that he and Obama are considering.

Eric Holder: executive orders on gun control? | WashingtonExaminer.com

One suggested approach that has been gaining traction around Washington is an Executive Order directing that all "assault weapons" would be made to fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934. Personally, I've already been moving in that direction by submitting Form 1's for an 11.5 SBR on a receiver I've had sitting around and doing the same for the receiver of my 16 inch Noveske. I probably won't actually put a short barrel on either, but once registered all I'd have to do is slap an 11.5 inch upper on any of them.

Oh Shyt. 25,000 unintentional falls. Lets make a Walking/Standing Ban!!!!

BlackZeda · 12-20-2012, 02:08 PM

Holy crap! I just went to my local gun store to purchase the H&K P2000 to see that their entire stock of AR-15's and 30rd PMAGs have been wiped out. The fact that they probably had hundreds of them on the racks makes that remarkable. There is a 4 day wait for the background check whereas it took about 30 minutes a few weeks ago.

I have to say that there were about 5 guys looking at their last AR which was a S&W performance center version. I would say that all 5 of them probably were people that had no business owning an AR and would otherwise never be interesting in owning one.

Nice job moronic politicians

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-20-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

Holy crap! I just went to my local gun store to purchase the H&K P2000 to see that their entire stock of AR-15's and 30rd PMAGs have been wiped out. The fact that they probably had hundreds of them on the racks makes that remarkable. There is a 4 day wait for the background check whereas it took about 30 minutes a few weeks ago.

I have to say that there were about 5 guys looking at their last AR which was a S&W performance center version. I would say that all 5 of them probably were people that had no business owning an AR and would otherwise never be interesting in owning one.

Nice job moronic politicians

My bro-in-law just called me telling me he bought an AK pistol today, it was the last one and they don't know how long it will take to replenish. Firearms makers are screwed with being overworked. I hope quality control doesn't suffer?

BlackZeda · 12-20-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

My bro-in-law just called me telling me he bought an AK pistol today, it was the last one and they don't know how long it will take to replenish. Firearms makers are screwed with being overworked. I hope quality control doesn't suffer?

I anticipated this when our King Obama started yapping his trap after the Aurora theater shooting. It was then I made my move to buy my second AR. For the reason you just stated I think it was a good idea.

I just placed an order for a couple high capacity magazines for my new pistol. It was suprising that they were available.

When I was waiting for a sales guy at the gun store a couple came in and were eyeballing the P2000 that I was going to buy. When they pulled it from the case they seemed bummed I was buying it. I kinda feel bad for them...thanks again butthole politicians.

12-20-2012, 10:40 AM	#2627 (permalink)
Z-Fighter Base Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: In front of you Posts: 19 Drives: 2010 NISMO Rep Power: 12	There are too many ar-15 style rifles and high capacity mags out there for a ban to be effective now, IMO. I assume most people who are for AWB are the ones who have no firearms experience or were taught guns are bad at a very early age. Robert_K and OMGiGOTaZ like this.

12-20-2012, 11:14 AM	#2631 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I am just tired of the blame the gun mentality. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens that pose no threat to anyone. They own guns for sport, hunting, personal protection, etc. Doesn't really matter WHY they have them. It's a right. We could do so much more to prevent gun violence (and violence in general) by actually enforcing existing laws and by focusing energy on the root causes of violence be it mental health issues or poverty/socioeconomic distress. The very people our legislature wants to target (us... the law abiding gun owner) are NOT the problem. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-20-2012, 11:37 AM	#2632 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	"AN ARMED SOCIETY IS A POLITE SOCIETY". I learned that fast moving from a city(New York) where people are held hostage by criminals and have no civilian gun rights. Versus a city that everyone and grandma pack heat. (Texas) As much as criminals love pointing guns at people, They are the ones most scared of guns being pointed back at them. It's sad that half of New Yorkers doing time for carrying guns are just honest citizens who just know that NY is just too dangerous NOT to have one on you. So they take the chance and literally "bite the bullet when caught". What kind of option is that? You can't even own a taser in NYC and get harrassed for having a lockblade in a case, sometimes confiscated. When you're mugged or jumped. The police show up 30 min later and very unintersted in the crime committed against you. They only care about drug busts and tickets. So assault crimes and robbery often go unsolved. Hoodies keep the criminals faces from being seen on cameras so, there goes that. So whats the answer in NYC. PS NY police are under investigation after hard evidence has been found that they are manipulating crime statistics to prove crime is doing down. We can't even trust statistics Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 12-20-2012 at 11:42 AM.

12-20-2012, 11:47 AM	#2633 (permalink)
BlackZeda A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 1,109 Drives: 19 Audi TT RS Rep Power: 21	The last AWB was so freaking stupid, but it doesn't suprise me that idiot politicians want to reinstate it. Our government is so retarded right now that it is no wonder that people want to arm themselves. It is so selfish and shortsighted to deny a person the maximum (reasonable) ability to defend themselves and their family. I am not prepper, but I definitely see a few realistic scenarios where one would need an assault rifle. It definitely is not my goto weapon for home defense, but like a fire extinguisher I am glad I have a couple on-hand. With that said I think I might pick up that H&K P2000 9mm I have had my eye on and order a couple extra high capacity mags today. UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

12-20-2012, 12:39 PM	#2635 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I figured as much. I wonder what that would mean for existing, non-NFA registered weapons. Would we have to give up possession of our (now) NFA items while we wait years for a dozen ATF agents to process a bazillion forms? __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-20-2012, 12:32 PM	#2634 (permalink)
MacCool A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,349 Drives: 370Z PW 2014 Rep Power: 16	For perspective: This doesn't take into account 1 million deaths annually from preventable heart disease, nor the 350,000 deaths annually from obesity and it's co-morbidities, also largely preventable. In other news: Eric Holder in an interview about an hour ago suggested that pursuing gun control via Executive Order is a route that he and Obama are considering. Eric Holder: executive orders on gun control? \| WashingtonExaminer.com One suggested approach that has been gaining traction around Washington is an Executive Order directing that all "assault weapons" would be made to fall under the National Firearms Act of 1934. Personally, I've already been moving in that direction by submitting Form 1's for an 11.5 SBR on a receiver I've had sitting around and doing the same for the receiver of my 16 inch Noveske. I probably won't actually put a short barrel on either, but once registered all I'd have to do is slap an 11.5 inch upper on any of them.

12-20-2012, 02:08 PM	#2638 (permalink)
BlackZeda A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Englewood, CO Posts: 1,109 Drives: 19 Audi TT RS Rep Power: 21	Holy crap! I just went to my local gun store to purchase the H&K P2000 to see that their entire stock of AR-15's and 30rd PMAGs have been wiped out. The fact that they probably had hundreds of them on the racks makes that remarkable. There is a 4 day wait for the background check whereas it took about 30 minutes a few weeks ago. I have to say that there were about 5 guys looking at their last AR which was a S&W performance center version. I would say that all 5 of them probably were people that had no business owning an AR and would otherwise never be interesting in owning one. Nice job moronic politicians