Anyone here into firearms?

bullitt5897 · 05-22-2010, 12:18 AM

if they would simply switch to the 6.8spc cartridge we wouldnt be having the problems at 600-800 meters!

I for one can attest that shooting a target at 6-800 meters with a 5.56 is rediculous as the round cannot maintain the needed flight path to even be accurate. Any wind will blow that light of a round way off target. I personally went to the 6.8spc for the knock down power and boy am I glad! I can accurately hit a 6" manikin head at 700meters and I have video proof. I am sub MOA even at distances of 500 meters on a 16" barrel!!! For an AR that is fantastic! I am slowly building my 6.8 AR into an all purpose weapon and now that Barnes and a few other companies are making 85 & 95 grain bullets I can get even more accurate and a little more distance out of my AR. Currently, I am running 115 grain FMJ from Silver State Armory and they are good but I am looking for that extra edge! next toy has definitely got to be a reloading press...

back on topic the 5.56 bullet can hit a target and make good penetration at those distances but the problem lies in what happens when the bullet penetrates the body. What you will find out is that under 200M it takes the 5.56 round too long to expand and practically would leave a small hole all the way through the body with a large exit wound if i remember correctly. at around 200M you get ideal expansion within the body cavity with consistent fragmentation. Distances at 300M and beyond the round is traveling too slow and has 0 fragmentation once it enters the body often leaving the target alive and very pissed off!!! This has been in many reports coming from the field in Iraq and in Afghan.

On a side note I got several Shemagh's in the other day and I must say they work very well! for those who don't know what I am referring too here is a pic:

Pushing_Tin · 05-22-2010, 07:16 PM

So why would one build an AR versus just buying one that is complete? I have no experience with them and have recently contemplated buying one.

dad · 05-22-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

So why would one build an AR versus just buying one that is complete? I have no experience with them and have recently contemplated buying one.

If I lived where you live, it would be great to have one of those. Every body should have one!

Pushing_Tin · 05-22-2010, 09:59 PM

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If I lived where you live, it would be great to have one of those. Every body should have one!

Why can't you have one? And you can you tell me why you'd buy one in pieces instead of the whole thing complete?

dad · 05-22-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

Why can't you have one? And you can you tell me why you'd buy one in pieces instead of the whole thing complete?

Can't afford one right now, moving out of here in about 1 more year. The wife is watching every penny!
I have no idea why they buy pieces, instead of one finished unit! I haven't shot one in 40 yrs.! They are very accurate rifles, enjoyable to shoot.

Pushing_Tin · 05-22-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dad

Can't afford one right now, moving out of here in about 1 more year. The wife is watching every penny!
I have no idea why they buy pieces, instead of one finished unit! I haven't shot one in 40 yrs.! They are very accurate rifles, enjoyable to shoot.

Where are you now? For some reason I remembered you living in Cali?

C4talyst · 05-23-2010, 04:28 AM

Some folks like to build their own AR to save money. You can shave a few hundred off the overall price that way. Others are just sticklers when it comes to performance and build quality and want to have complete control over the finished product.

I'm getting ready to build my own AR SBR (Short Barrel Rifle). I've never built my own gun and in this case will have to because what I want isn't already available as a package. I'll be starting out with an AR pistol and will eventually have to register it with the ATF as a gun I manufactured. The finished product should look something like this.

Pushing_Tin · 05-23-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by C4talyst

Some folks like to build their own AR to save money. You can shave a few hundred off the overall price that way. Others are just sticklers when it comes to performance and build quality and want to have complete control over the finished product.

I'm getting ready to build my own AR SBR (Short Barrel Rifle). I've never built my own gun and in this case will have to because what I want isn't already available as a package. I'll be starting out with an AR pistol and will eventually have to register it with the ATF as a gun I manufactured. The finished product should look something like this.

That's what I was looking for, thanks!

bullitt5897 · 05-23-2010, 09:12 PM

To help answer your question: many people like myself want to buy their first AR as a complete package. I too went with POF and the good thing about a POF I that you don't need to use their customer service! I have 2 x 6.8spc 16" AR's from them and not one problem. One I am building into a DM (designated marksman) and the other is an all purpose machine. The great thing about a reputable and great quality package like a POF is that I am hitting sub-MOA @ 500yds with only a 4x acog!!! Talk about a winning package!

However, people often build their own AR's when they are very familiar with the platform or have own a few in the past. Most AR builders want the most performance out of their machines but at a lower budget price. Hence, they buy the parts like legos and put together their own master piece. Each builder will have his own reasons and stories...

Pushing_Tin · 05-23-2010, 11:30 PM

Thanks bullitt! +rep for the info. I am not the least bit interested in buying one in pieces.

So any particular brands that I should look at or avoid? I have been looking at guns from S&W, Colt, Ruger and Bushmaster. What else??

dad · 05-24-2010, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Pushing_Tin

Thanks bullitt! +rep for the info. I am not the least bit interested in buying one in pieces.

So any particular brands that I should look at or avoid? I have been looking at guns from S&W, Colt, Ruger and Bushmaster. What else??

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C4talyst · 05-24-2010, 12:15 AM

I have owned Bushy's and Colts...no performance issues with them. I wouldn't mind having a Rock River Arms either. So many companies making these things nowadays though. Are you a member of AR15.com? That site has the most info on this stuff.

bullitt5897 · 05-24-2010, 12:26 PM

Pushing tin what do you want to do? The best approach is to make your rifle purpose built so that it excels in the areas you feel you will be using it most. So tell us what you want to do and that will help us determine which brands you need to go after. Noveske makes a mean AR and their barrels are known to be one of the most accurate on the market!

Pushing_Tin · 05-24-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Pushing tin what do you want to do? The best approach is to make your rifle purpose built so that it excels in the areas you feel you will be using it most. So tell us what you want to do and that will help us determine which brands you need to go after. Noveske makes a mean AR and their barrels are known to be one of the most accurate on the market!

Eh, nothing particular. I have 3 handguns and a shot gun and I thought it would be cool to have an AR, especially now while they are easy to get. Main purpose would be home defense and target shooting. I'm not a hunter.

bullitt5897 · 05-24-2010, 01:53 PM

Ok so ur looking for a target puncher

I have a few more questions:
what is ur budget?
&
what do you look for when you purchase a firearm? Quality, performance, budget and etc.

05-22-2010, 12:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3683	if they would simply switch to the 6.8spc cartridge we wouldnt be having the problems at 600-800 meters! I for one can attest that shooting a target at 6-800 meters with a 5.56 is rediculous as the round cannot maintain the needed flight path to even be accurate. Any wind will blow that light of a round way off target. I personally went to the 6.8spc for the knock down power and boy am I glad! I can accurately hit a 6" manikin head at 700meters and I have video proof. I am sub MOA even at distances of 500 meters on a 16" barrel!!! For an AR that is fantastic! I am slowly building my 6.8 AR into an all purpose weapon and now that Barnes and a few other companies are making 85 & 95 grain bullets I can get even more accurate and a little more distance out of my AR. Currently, I am running 115 grain FMJ from Silver State Armory and they are good but I am looking for that extra edge! next toy has definitely got to be a reloading press... back on topic the 5.56 bullet can hit a target and make good penetration at those distances but the problem lies in what happens when the bullet penetrates the body. What you will find out is that under 200M it takes the 5.56 round too long to expand and practically would leave a small hole all the way through the body with a large exit wound if i remember correctly. at around 200M you get ideal expansion within the body cavity with consistent fragmentation. Distances at 300M and beyond the round is traveling too slow and has 0 fragmentation once it enters the body often leaving the target alive and very pissed off!!! This has been in many reports coming from the field in Iraq and in Afghan. On a side note I got several Shemagh's in the other day and I must say they work very well! for those who don't know what I am referring too here is a pic: __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

05-23-2010, 09:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3683	To help answer your question: many people like myself want to buy their first AR as a complete package. I too went with POF and the good thing about a POF I that you don't need to use their customer service! I have 2 x 6.8spc 16" AR's from them and not one problem. One I am building into a DM (designated marksman) and the other is an all purpose machine. The great thing about a reputable and great quality package like a POF is that I am hitting sub-MOA @ 500yds with only a 4x acog!!! Talk about a winning package! However, people often build their own AR's when they are very familiar with the platform or have own a few in the past. Most AR builders want the most performance out of their machines but at a lower budget price. Hence, they buy the parts like legos and put together their own master piece. Each builder will have his own reasons and stories... __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

05-24-2010, 12:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3683	Pushing tin what do you want to do? The best approach is to make your rifle purpose built so that it excels in the areas you feel you will be using it most. So tell us what you want to do and that will help us determine which brands you need to go after. Noveske makes a mean AR and their barrels are known to be one of the most accurate on the market! __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

05-24-2010, 01:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3683	Ok so ur looking for a target puncher I have a few more questions: what is ur budget? & what do you look for when you purchase a firearm? Quality, performance, budget and etc. __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

05-22-2010, 07:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Pushing_Tin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 2,875 Drives: E63 AMG Rep Power: 228	So why would one build an AR versus just buying one that is complete? I have no experience with them and have recently contemplated buying one.

05-23-2010, 11:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Pushing_Tin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 2,875 Drives: E63 AMG Rep Power: 228	Thanks bullitt! +rep for the info. I am not the least bit interested in buying one in pieces. So any particular brands that I should look at or avoid? I have been looking at guns from S&W, Colt, Ruger and Bushmaster. What else??

05-24-2010, 12:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
C4talyst Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 45 Drives: 2008 Ford Escape Rep Power: 16	I have owned Bushy's and Colts...no performance issues with them. I wouldn't mind having a Rock River Arms either. So many companies making these things nowadays though. Are you a member of AR15.com? That site has the most info on this stuff.