Want advice from the military guys

oleg · 04-12-2012, 09:35 PM

I understand the whole concept of it not being like a movie and having to take **** from someone that out ranks you for for years. I know a few people that have recently came out of the service (rangers and marines only). Some have said that its a decision that they do not regret, but those people also never saw combat once. Have a classmate who's brother is going in for a second tour as a ranger, he said that he could tell in his everyday life that he's brother has changed and feels out of place in civilian life which is something that i have been concerned about too.
The thing is every career I have looked into so far that I would even remotely enjoy doing either doesn't pay enough or the schooling is too expensive. I would love to have a career where I'm not required to sit behind the desk for the rest of my life.

Hawk6 · 04-12-2012, 10:00 PM

Ok so first question what is it that you want to do when you grow up? I don't mean in 5 years from now but when you grow up. I spent my entire adult life shooting blowing **** up flying around in helos and fixed wing birds laying in ambushes forever crawling around in a ghillie for days on end to move 1k because there was no wind just to take a shot and crawl away again fast roping kicking in doors and don't forget walking forever with up to 180lbs on my back and so on and so on. Sound fun? It was. And now I have to grow up... Kinda, I'm starting flight school next month lol. But still I have to start all over and why... Because I got hooked to the adrenalin all my life. So before you think about how much you want to make after the military ask yourself what do you want to be when you grow up. Combat is not the movies btw and if your bro has changed its because it's hard to relate to anyone outside the military afterwards. I've lost more buddies than I care to remember and I know I will lose more and it sucks ***. Anyway Lil brother call me if ya like I sent ya my number

oleg · 04-12-2012, 10:27 PM

^ the question there would be, was it worth it? If you got to restart from 18 again would you have gone the education way or the military way again?
As far as what i would like to do, architecture is something that i would absolutely love to get into but making 40k a year in an unstable job doesn't seem like a very smart choice and I bet getting a job out of school will not be easy either.

PapoZalsa · 04-15-2012, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oleg

^ the question there would be, was it worth it? If you got to restart from 18 again would you have gone the education way or the military way again?
As far as what i would like to do, architecture is something that i would absolutely love to get into but making 40k a year in an unstable job doesn't seem like a very smart choice and I bet getting a job out of school will not be easy either.

I served in Active Duty for over 20 yrs and proud of it. However, I would never drop out of college and get mine education with full scolarship that I had, but I flushed down the drain.

If you go to college you still have the poortunity to join the ROTC and when you get your degree you can come in as an officer. Anyway I would go with education.

Are you saying an archictecture makes 40K a yr?

Hawk6 · 04-19-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by oleg

^ the question there would be, was it worth it? If you got to restart from 18 again would you have gone the education way or the military way again?
As far as what i would like to do, architecture is something that i would absolutely love to get into but making 40k a year in an unstable job doesn't seem like a very smart choice and I bet getting a job out of school will not be easy either.

Ok here's another thing to consider... Getting a job now
A days as a combat veteran is not easy either. I'm happy I'm retired cause I have been on too many job interviews and they all same the same... "Well you seem to be just right for the job but... Oh wait, you have been in combat I see... Um honestly you may be over qualified for this position". Yea I love hearing that one over and over again. That's why I'm in college now at age 40!

mickey · 04-26-2012, 09:52 PM

I think you have plenty of opinions of what to do and that's good, so i will give you my opinion of what not to do. Dont join the marine corps, and if for what ever reason you decide the marine corps is for you don't be a grunt.

Rooster89 · 04-12-2012, 11:53 PM

Can't believe I've missed this thread. If you can, go national guard, and do ROTC. Best path IMHO and I wished I had taken it.

4 years Army Aviation. I was an AH-64D Armament, Electrical, and Avionics system repairer.

Again, if you go reserve/guard and do ROTC, you get the GI Bill IIRC or Student Loan Repayment, you start out as an officer and it really looks phenominal on a resume.

Hawk6 · 04-13-2012, 01:12 PM

Would I do it all over... If I had or I should say at age 18, my parents had the resources to send me straight to college or I wasn't a dumb *** know it all kid... I would have went straight to college and that's the honest truth! Call me I can't say that enough because I am sure you have tons of questions and recruiters are used car salesmen (no offense to anyone) but there shady

eastwest2300 · 04-15-2012, 01:45 AM

Im not sure about non us citizens getting federal positions with the federal govt, its something I'd inquire about.

PapoZalsa · 04-15-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Im not sure about non us citizens getting federal positions with the federal govt, its something I'd inquire about.

I don't know the OP status...but to join the person has to be at least a Permanent Resident of the US.

However the Armed Forces has a program that he/she can be a US Citizen within 3 yrs or less of active duty service I think. This program was established after 9/11.

eastwest2300 · 04-15-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa

I don't know the OP status...but to join the person has to be at least a Permanent Resident of the US.

However the Armed Forces has a program that he/she can be a US Citizen within 3 yrs or less of active duty service I think. This program was established after 9/11.

Im in the federal govt, and Im pretty sure you gotta be a naturalized US citizen to get a federal job... i may be wrong. I dont know for a fact.

mannyz · 04-15-2012, 03:34 PM

IMO from the introduction of your first paragraph you shouldn't enlist at all. You should maybe spend some time doing school or college, something you will like and when you mature a bit and know more about the world then join the Arm Forces. It will help you make a better decision and a more straight line of thinking from where you at right now.

eastwest2300 · 04-15-2012, 09:17 PM

Man, if I could do it all over again, I woulda listened to my mom and joined the air force but I joined the army instead and did 8 years, got out and went to FSU, and got my degree.

Isamu · 04-20-2012, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Crypto-linguist.

Air Force and Navy both have excellent Crypto-Linguist programs. You can also fly if you want to. The military allows you to take a quick test of your language skills (no limit to how many) and if you demonstrate a certain proficientcy level in any of them, you get extra pay for it. (Not that it's about the money like you said, but let's face it, you've got a gifted tongue

)

After the military, any major 3 letter agency (NSA, CIA, FBI) would pick you up and you'll definitely make that 80k you're looking for.

If that's not the route you'd like to go, the Navy's Nuclear Engineering program is WELL known for setting people up for life. You do however many years you want in, and afterwards you're having several Power companies begging for your service.

Lastly, Air Traffic Control, if you're interested in that. It's an officially rated position that when you come out, any major airport would love to have you. Guaranteed 6 figures starting.

Hope that's a good start.

QFT

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Man, if I could do it all over again, I woulda listened to my mom and joined the air force but I joined the army instead and did 8 years, got out and went to FSU, and got my degree.

That's what everyone says... lol

I have more to say, but I will bite my tongue as I don't know you...

Hawk6 · 04-19-2012, 08:11 PM

The other problem your going to run into is that your not going to be qualified for some MOS's due to you needing a secret or Top secret clearence as you stated you are not an actual citizen yet... Just being honest. Like I told ya before go to college your going to be better off

04-12-2012, 10:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
oleg Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 321 Drives: 2011 370z 6mt sp Rep Power: 15	^ the question there would be, was it worth it? If you got to restart from 18 again would you have gone the education way or the military way again? As far as what i would like to do, architecture is something that i would absolutely love to get into but making 40k a year in an unstable job doesn't seem like a very smart choice and I bet getting a job out of school will not be easy either. Last edited by oleg; 04-12-2012 at 10:38 PM.

04-15-2012, 01:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 91,031 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684552	Im not sure about non us citizens getting federal positions with the federal govt, its something I'd inquire about. __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

04-15-2012, 03:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
mannyz Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 354 Drives: a car Rep Power: 280	IMO from the introduction of your first paragraph you shouldn't enlist at all. You should maybe spend some time doing school or college, something you will like and when you mature a bit and know more about the world then join the Arm Forces. It will help you make a better decision and a more straight line of thinking from where you at right now. __________________

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eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 91,031 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684552	Man, if I could do it all over again, I woulda listened to my mom and joined the air force but I joined the army instead and did 8 years, got out and went to FSU, and got my degree. __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

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04-12-2012, 09:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
oleg Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 321 Drives: 2011 370z 6mt sp Rep Power: 15	I understand the whole concept of it not being like a movie and having to take **** from someone that out ranks you for for years. I know a few people that have recently came out of the service (rangers and marines only). Some have said that its a decision that they do not regret, but those people also never saw combat once. Have a classmate who's brother is going in for a second tour as a ranger, he said that he could tell in his everyday life that he's brother has changed and feels out of place in civilian life which is something that i have been concerned about too. The thing is every career I have looked into so far that I would even remotely enjoy doing either doesn't pay enough or the schooling is too expensive. I would love to have a career where I'm not required to sit behind the desk for the rest of my life.

04-12-2012, 10:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hawk6 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vero Beach, Fl Posts: 125 Drives: 2012 370Z Blk Cherry Rep Power: 14	Ok so first question what is it that you want to do when you grow up? I don't mean in 5 years from now but when you grow up. I spent my entire adult life shooting blowing ** up flying around in helos and fixed wing birds laying in ambushes forever crawling around in a ghillie for days on end to move 1k because there was no wind just to take a shot and crawl away again fast roping kicking in doors and don't forget walking forever with up to 180lbs on my back and so on and so on. Sound fun? It was. And now I have to grow up... Kinda, I'm starting flight school next month lol. But still I have to start all over and why... Because I got hooked to the adrenalin all my life. So before you think about how much you want to make after the military ask yourself what do you want to be when you grow up. Combat is not the movies btw and if your bro has changed its because it's hard to relate to anyone outside the military afterwards. I've lost more buddies than I care to remember and I know I will lose more and it sucks *. Anyway Lil brother call me if ya like I sent ya my number

04-26-2012, 09:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
mickey Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: california Posts: 66 Drives: 10 nissan 370z Rep Power: 15	I think you have plenty of opinions of what to do and that's good, so i will give you my opinion of what not to do. Dont join the marine corps, and if for what ever reason you decide the marine corps is for you don't be a grunt.

04-13-2012, 01:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
Hawk6 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vero Beach, Fl Posts: 125 Drives: 2012 370Z Blk Cherry Rep Power: 14	Would I do it all over... If I had or I should say at age 18, my parents had the resources to send me straight to college or I wasn't a dumb *** know it all kid... I would have went straight to college and that's the honest truth! Call me I can't say that enough because I am sure you have tons of questions and recruiters are used car salesmen (no offense to anyone) but there shady

04-19-2012, 08:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
Hawk6 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vero Beach, Fl Posts: 125 Drives: 2012 370Z Blk Cherry Rep Power: 14	The other problem your going to run into is that your not going to be qualified for some MOS's due to you needing a secret or Top secret clearence as you stated you are not an actual citizen yet... Just being honest. Like I told ya before go to college your going to be better off