Good handguns

Red370

has anyone mentioned .357 Sig? I havent read through all these posts, but let me recommend the Smith and Wesson M&P series, there have been countless independent tests against Glock, Springfield, etc, and they have outperformed them all and they cost around the same. I have over 10,000 rounds through both my .40 and my .357 compact w/o a single jam. If you want the knockdown of a .357 in a 15 rd. magazine, you cant beat it. It has more muzzle energy than both a .45 and .40

I also have an M&P AR15. Here are a few of my collection.




H&K USP Tactical and yes, it has a silencer.

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phelan

my initial guess would've been to go straight for the USP 45, but i'll be damned if that thing isn't expensive...

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Red370

You can find a standard USP45 for around $700, check out budsgunshop.com

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JollyGoodChap

I thought only rappers called magazines "clips"
Clips vs. Magazines This is a clip:


This is a magazine



just saying...

flashburn

Oh please, fuck off.


just saying...

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JollyGoodChap

calm down man, don't get your panties in a bunch

VABAM

Firearm term Nazi strikes again!!!

If you hadn't it would have been me.

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Bagherra

luv my XD40!!

ImportConvert

Glock 17 for home duty, G19 for carry.

After all the SIG's, HK's, custom 1911's, and all the other stuff I have owned and played with, the Glock 17/19 is the pistol I would want if someone told me "I'm giving you a handgun, 10,000 rounds of ammo, and 5 magazines, and it's going to be the last one you will be able to get. No spare parts, either."

Stuff I have owned:

G19
P226 Elite ST (2, one in 9mm, one in 357SIG)
Wilson Combat Tactical Elite
Les Baer TRS
Ruger .44 SRH

Stuff my Dad/Friends have owned that I have shot extensively in addition:

G17
USPC40
USP45
G32
Colt 1911


The only 100% reliable pistols have been the P226 Elite ST in 357SIG, and the Glock 19 and 17's. The 32 snagged once or twice. The 1911's were all crap (Wilson Combat bought my Tactical Elite back), and the USP's had little bobbles as well, but could be attributed to weak mag or ejector springs as the USP45 had an unknown round-count. The only pistols I still personally own are the G19 for CCW, and the P226 Elite ST 357SIG for the range. GGI worked it over, and had a complete "Tennifer QPQ" type process done. Black stainless is sexy The best group out of it was a 5-shot group at 25 yards measuring 1.17CTC using 125gr Gold Dot's, fired off a sand-bag by one of the GGI crew. It replaced the Wilson Combat in my armory, is just as accurate, and holds nearly 200% as many rounds, and has NEVER had a failure to function. P226>1911 for a steel pistol.

All my pistols wear Trijicon night sights.




*Work done to the P226

QPQ barrel/slide/frame/some internals
Polish stock sear/hammer
Stainless QPQ guiderod
Titanium firing-pin block
Hogue G10 grips
Replace Meprolites with Trijicons
Replace stock takedown level with takedown lever from Combat model/X5 model (It's forged, and made of much tougher steel)
Replace mag-release button with slightly larger one from 4140 forged
Replace "short" trigger with regular trigger (no idea why mine shipped out with a short trigger, I was just happy to find an NIB 357 SIG P226 Elite ST that had just been made. SIG doesn't officially make them anymore, just random "batches".)
Aluminum MS seat

The 9mm P226 Elite ST I owned before this was a basket-case and felt so much worse. Nothing was done to this pistol that could account for it shooting a 1.17" CTC group--which was not abnormal for the gun, they sent me several 1.4-1.6" groups and stated thats what it did all day. The only "accuracy" work done was smoothing up the trigger pull (I had them just polish things, leave stock geometry alone).

This is THE pistol I would want it TSHTF and I was not moving around a lot. Realistically, though, my G19 would be the smarter choice, and I can put them all in a 6" group at 20 yards standing with either pistol, regardless of their "mechanical" accuracy potential. That's about all I am good for. The weight of the SIG makes popping milk-jugs at 50 yards cake, though, from seated. That 357SIG round hits hard. This individual lot# chronographed 1355 at 15' from the muzzle.

ImportConvert

Oh, for those of you that keep screaming "stay away from the 9mm, get a .45". Well, handguns suck. Period. Just get one that shows CONSISTANT expansion and penetrates 12"+ in IWBA protocol testing. The 9mm does this just fine. I can recount many articles where the .45 when placed COM did nothing to stop the attacker. The one I would like to reference, has been removed, but some of you may recall where a police officer went to a domestic dispute armed with his .45 Glock and 3 magazines full of Gold-Dots. The perp was hit 13 times and the last shot was to the cranial vault. That was the only one that stopped him, he was putting lead (shotgun) on the cop the entire time. The officer later was incapacitated by his wounds (large bird-shot, one pellet or two managed to get into his skull and cause frontal brain-damage, as I recall).

Based on what I have learned from Dr. Gary Roberts, and what I have learned in my time working at a hospital, blood-loss is the only thing that matters. The bullet that crushes more tissue will cause more blood-loss will cause quicker incapacitation.

However, this comes at a price. The .45 is harder to fire multiple-times with accuracy. However, if you can fire it equally well as a 9mm and don't mind the capacity penalty, I argue that the .45 is indeed a better choice for SOME applications. I have found the 9mm to be better suited toward penetrating hard barriers such as wood, car doors, etc. It has more kinetic energy per frontal area in the 124 and 127gr +P and +P+ loadings than the .45.

So far, the 357SIG seems to take the cake, there, though. It is my bedside pistol, and it does nasty, nasty things--but it still sucks and I still have a spare 13 round mag loaded and ready.

flashburn

Looks like someone is getting ready to fend off a Taliban invasion on his home. Pretty badass, but I don't really see those as being effective home defense weapons.

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StLRedrider

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370zproject

put a poll up will use results to go find a good gun

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StLRedrider

to each their own, my kimbers are the most accurate pistols but a little too big to carry. this hk i carry fits nicely right at my waist in between my pants and boxers, not as accurate but at the range were it's needed this .40 will pack a good punch!!!!!

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StLRedrider

i voted for the springfield, not that expensive, 9mm is a cheap ammo that wont take you to the bank. very rugged pistol with not alot of tlc needed. and they come in several cool color options.

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