Good handguns

Red__Zed · 11-16-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by flashburn

Yeah, I forgot how I justified buying the XDm over the XD in the first place. I've heard the grip comfort is hit or miss on the XDm. Luckily it is a good fit for my hand.

I think one of the differences between the XD and XDm was the stock clip size, maybe it was 14 vs 19? Not a big deal, but it was something. I think the trigger was supposed to be better as well.

16+1 vs 19+1 for capacity. The barrel is the main benefit of the XDm in my mind, but it's not such a huge difference.

ImportConvert · 11-17-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

16+1 vs 19+1 for capacity. The barrel is the main benefit of the XDm in my mind, but it's not such a huge difference.

The barrel doesn't matter as sloppy as the lock-up tolerance is in that pistol. A ten-thousandths of an inch in a barrel isn't going to matter unless the lock-up is perfect to begin with. I had a .22 rifle that was madein the 40's and it looks like the rifling was carved by a blind slave-labor child. It will still hold about 2" at 50 yards with me just leaning up against a tree. That chatter also happens to be in the last 1-3" of barrel, as well. The secret to handgun accuracy is CONSISTANT lock up at the front and back of the hood, as well as the muzzle/slide of a handgun like the XD. Slide/frame lock up is important as well, but only accounts for about 5-10% at most. However, the "M" barrel in the XDm is about like putting Penske adjustable shocks on a mid 90's ford taurus with no other modifications. It's there for marketing purposes...and mabye the .001 smaller group it can get you.

*Note, CONSISTANT lock-up is key. Not TIGHT lock-up. My Wilson Combat had a VERY well fit interface between the lugs/slide, etc. The frame/slide clearance was .002" nominal, as measured with my calipers.

My factory SIG still shot a group that was about the same size using duty ammo. (1.17CTC for the SIG at 25 yards, while the Wilson was .7" at 15 yards. The WIlson shot that group with Ranger T-series, while the SIG was fed GoldDots. bonded bullets are not normally nearly as accurate as conventional jacketed bullets due to variances in the plating/jacket thickness of the bolded bullets, making this even more impressive to me.)

Also, my Les Baer, rest it's poorly made soul, was tight as a drum, to the point where you could barely rack the slide. All this did was cause malfunctions. It didn't do a darn thing for accuracy that the WIlson couldn't match.

ThoriumHotdog · 11-16-2010, 12:35 PM

A simple shotgun works well for home defense. The minute an intruder hears the racking of a round they'll crap their pants and run. It's not something you can carry around with you but its a cheap alternative to a handgun when it comes to the home.

flashburn · 11-16-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoriumHotdog

A simple shotgun works well for home defense. The minute an intruder hears the racking of a round they'll crap their pants and run. It's not something you can carry around with you but its a cheap alternative to a handgun when it comes to the home.

Yeah, in all honesty a shotgun is the best weapon for home defense. Although screw racking the gun, I'd always have one chambered, I'm not in it to simply "scare" someone that is breaking into my house. I might pick one up, but I wouldn't want to keep it out unless I'm home (same as with my pistol).

I have one spot where I keep my pistol locked down/hidden when I'm not home, and then at night before I go to sleep (or if I'm home for a long period of time), I'll move it over to a spot that's closer to me. I don't have any kids to worry about getting their hands on, and I don't like the idea of being too far removed from access to a weapon if it is needed while I'm asleep.

I guess what most people do is they keep their pistol near by, and lock up/hide their shotgun, and then use the pistol to get to their shotgun. Or rather, that is the plan if **** goes down. One concern I have is keeping the gun secured and/or hidden well if someone was to break in while I wasn't home. I've read quite a few horror stories where someone comes home, only to have their own weapon used on them because they didn't keep it secured.

ImportConvert · 11-17-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by flashburn

Yeah, in all honesty a shotgun is the best weapon for home defense. Although screw racking the gun, I'd always have one chambered, I'm not in it to simply "scare" someone that is breaking into my house. I might pick one up, but I wouldn't want to keep it out unless I'm home (same as with my pistol).

I have one spot where I keep my pistol locked down/hidden when I'm not home, and then at night before I go to sleep (or if I'm home for a long period of time), I'll move it over to a spot that's closer to me. I don't have any kids to worry about getting their hands on, and I don't like the idea of being too far removed from access to a weapon if it is needed while I'm asleep.

I guess what most people do is they keep their pistol near by, and lock up/hide their shotgun, and then use the pistol to get to their shotgun. Or rather, that is the plan if **** goes down. One concern I have is keeping the gun secured and/or hidden well if someone was to break in while I wasn't home. I've read quite a few horror stories where someone comes home, only to have their own weapon used on them because they didn't keep it secured.

I liked my shotgun (M4 with custom titanium 7-shot mag tube, etc.) but realistically, I live in a studio appartment. The pistol under the corner of the matress made more sense for ME. For others, I am a fan of the shotgun as well. It is just simply wicked.

Here mine was with all the "go fast" goodies before I sold them to fund other things.

Here it is in its final evolution before I sold it for a G19 w/night sights and cash.

If I were to buy a long-gun for HD again, it would be an AR with a 16" barrel and a mid-length gas system from Noveske or LaRue or someone similar. Slap an ACOG with a T1 in a side-mount on it and a good light and done. 77gr OTM rounds make a HUGE mess when they fragment. Not QUITE 12ga mess, but very close.

bullitt5897 · 11-17-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I liked my shotgun (M4 with custom titanium 7-shot mag tube, etc.) but realistically, I live in a studio appartment. The pistol under the corner of the matress made more sense for ME. For others, I am a fan of the shotgun as well. It is just simply wicked.

Here mine was with all the "go fast" goodies before I sold them to fund other things.

Here it is in its final evolution before I sold it for a G19 w/night sights and cash.

If I were to buy a long-gun for HD again, it would be an AR with a 16" barrel and a mid-length gas system from Noveske or LaRue or someone similar. Slap an ACOG with a T1 in a side-mount on it and a good light and done. 77gr OTM rounds make a HUGE mess when they fragment. Not QUITE 12ga mess, but very close.

That is a pretty Shotgun

My 2 home defense toys before I went bonkers on all the tactical gear:

ImportConvert · 11-17-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

That is a pretty Shotgun

My 2 home defense toys before I went bonkers on all the tactical gear:

Nice setup! I like it. Quality tid-bits there

StLRedrider · 11-16-2010, 01:04 PM

HK

i carry a 4o cal. love it!!!!!!!

Lug · 11-16-2010, 01:06 PM

The entire Springfield XD and XDM series are great guns for the money, no matter what size you choose.

flashburn · 11-16-2010, 01:12 PM

Also for a first gun and one you plan on taking to the range, 9mm is a good choice I think. Not too much kick, and the ammo is cheaper. 45 would be a better choice just for shear stopping power though.

Whats the going rate for 9mm ammo at Walmart now? Last I checked they were always the cheapest, I think it was $15 for 100 rounds a year ago? Of course it was something like $8 for 100 rounds only about 5 years ago.

370zproject · 11-16-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by flashburn

Also for a first gun and one you plan on taking to the range, 9mm is a good choice I think. Not too much kick, and the ammo is cheaper. 45 would be a better choice just for shear stopping power though.

Whats the going rate for 9mm ammo at Walmart now? Last I checked they were always the cheapest, I think it was $15 for 100 rounds a year ago? Of course it was something like $8 for 100 rounds only about 5 years ago.

i think its near 30 now

flashburn · 11-16-2010, 01:15 PM

No way?! I hope that isn't true, that would be completely insane.

flashburn · 11-16-2010, 01:17 PM

Actually, I think they were 50 round boxes for $15, so if it is 100 rounds for $30 that's okay.

370zproject · 11-16-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by flashburn

Actually, I think they were 50 round boxes for $15, so if it is 100 rounds for $30 that's okay.

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flashburn · 11-16-2010, 01:20 PM

Found a post on another forum that someone bought a 250ct box of Remington 9mm ammo from Walmart for $52 + tax, not bad at all.

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Taurus .357	2	2.44%
Sig P220	11	13.41%
Springfield XD-9	9	10.98%
HKS USP .45	13	15.85%
Ruger P90	4	4.88%
shotgun	10	12.20%
357 Sig	4	4.88%
Smith and Wesson M&P series	6	7.32%
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357SIG	4	4.88%
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11-16-2010, 01:04 PM	#8 (permalink)
StLRedrider A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St.louis,Mo Posts: 17,755 Drives: O9Sprt/Touring,p-51 Rep Power: 61	HK i carry a 4o cal. love it!!!!!!! __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today J.Dean

11-16-2010, 01:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 20	The entire Springfield XD and XDM series are great guns for the money, no matter what size you choose. __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs

11-16-2010, 01:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
flashburn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,884 Drives: '12 Corvette GS 6M Rep Power: 20	Also for a first gun and one you plan on taking to the range, 9mm is a good choice I think. Not too much kick, and the ammo is cheaper. 45 would be a better choice just for shear stopping power though. Whats the going rate for 9mm ammo at Walmart now? Last I checked they were always the cheapest, I think it was $15 for 100 rounds a year ago? Of course it was something like $8 for 100 rounds only about 5 years ago. __________________ Current Ride: 2012 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Centennial Edition Carbon Flash 6M Previous Ride: 2009 Nissan 370Z Sport Platinum Graphite 7AT

11-16-2010, 01:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
flashburn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,884 Drives: '12 Corvette GS 6M Rep Power: 20	No way?! I hope that isn't true, that would be completely insane. __________________ Current Ride: 2012 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Centennial Edition Carbon Flash 6M Previous Ride: 2009 Nissan 370Z Sport Platinum Graphite 7AT

11-16-2010, 12:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
ThoriumHotdog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: TX Posts: 1,104 Drives: Turbo CRX si Rep Power: 17	A simple shotgun works well for home defense. The minute an intruder hears the racking of a round they'll crap their pants and run. It's not something you can carry around with you but its a cheap alternative to a handgun when it comes to the home.

11-16-2010, 01:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
flashburn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,884 Drives: '12 Corvette GS 6M Rep Power: 20	Actually, I think they were 50 round boxes for $15, so if it is 100 rounds for $30 that's okay. __________________ Current Ride: 2012 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Centennial Edition Carbon Flash 6M Previous Ride: 2009 Nissan 370Z Sport Platinum Graphite 7AT

11-16-2010, 01:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
flashburn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,884 Drives: '12 Corvette GS 6M Rep Power: 20	Found a post on another forum that someone bought a 250ct box of Remington 9mm ammo from Walmart for $52 + tax, not bad at all. __________________ Current Ride: 2012 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Centennial Edition Carbon Flash 6M Previous Ride: 2009 Nissan 370Z Sport Platinum Graphite 7AT

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