there's my boy!!!!!! what up smooth?

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The neat thing about the P90 is a marked lack of recoil, and the fact that while the SS190 round is like an ice-pick with only a small stretch cavity and very small permanent cavity, even at the points where it tumbles, it WILL punch through body-armor and if you put 30-40 of them on a person...it adds up.

Since I cannot own a full-auto P90, and I want the problem solved in as little hits as possible while not totally giving up ammunition capacity, the 9mm makes more sense for me. 16 rounds in a compact package + a spare magazine=31 rounds everywhere I go, 16 ready immediately. Really like my G19/MTAC

hmm

I trained with the USSS, and they were average shooters. I think they made the wrong choice with their service weapons.

I personally like the Glock 9mm option. However, I train with the Sig 229.

I voted for the shotgun for close quarter combat shooting. Actually, I'd like to have the handgun on standby if I'm going to use the shotgun as my primary before running out of ammo.

screw that, thats a big hole in the dry wall to fix

Wow.....lol.....Lack of recoil? lol I can not believe that no one here even knows what an FN FIVE_SEVEN is.....the least recoil pistol make.....weighs 1.2 pounds........and that it is what the "Fort Hood" shooter used to shoot over 100 times in 30 seconds......I mean every CIA.....NSA agent carries one !!!! By the time you get two rounds off at someone with an FN.......he can put 6 or 7 on you .....and with a muzzle velocity of over 2,000 ft a second......your guns mentioned here are at about 900 ft a second

:D Better than a bullet ricocheting all over the place. Besides, if they're hiding around the corner, then I can shoot through the wall/corner with a slug.

lol

to many movies my friend

Well, if you examine shooting statistics you will see that officers hit the subject somewhere around 20-30% of the time. Thus 70-80% of shots fired never hit their intended target!

I think the G19 would be best. The reason is that the OP is on a $500 budged and a G19 can have a light attatched to do duty at home, and a holster purchased to carry. You can't carry an 870 so well. The G19 will fulfill home-defence and CCW roles. If the OP had a bigger budget, I would say a G19 and an 870P would be a GREAT combo.

:ugh2: Okay... you hide behind the drywall while I hide behind a concrete one. We'll see who gets shot first.

Ah, I didn't see that OP wanted something within a budget.

Love the 870.

870?

When I think 870, I visualize the 870 shotgun. I have a Remington 870.

I have seen a lot of them shoot. I'm not suprised.

This is why I carry a 9mm and practice often. With the regular practice, I am more likely to hit. With the 9mm, I get more chances to hit (as opposed to a .40 or .45)

:iagree: i like this guy

Firearm term Nazi strikes again!!! :bowrofl:

If you hadn't it would have been me. :)

Rem. 870 FTW. :tup:
I got one too.
Great shotguns, cheap and reliable!!
Also there are a lot of "bolt-ons" (sorry couldn't resist:icon17:) for them.
Here is a pic of mine.
http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...4&d=1290085465

I feel you! I have friends in law enforcement and they SUCK at shooting!!! I was like how the hell did they give you a gun...:ughdance: I will stand behind them and use them as shields lol :tup:

Practice makes perfect and shooting is a finesse sport... I participate in tactical tower matches against folks ranging from military to law enforcement to avg joe's like me... .45 is definitely not the easiest for the pistol section especially going weak hand that can be tough unless you train shooting lefty. We shoot at 4" targets ranging from 15-30yds in some of the most uncomfortable yet practical shooting positions you would ever find yourself in. And its all about making sure you hit the target I learned after my first match "Smooth is fast" rushing your shots is the difference between 1st and 5th! I know I got 5th :shakes head: What seems like an eternity getting correct sight alignment is only about a half sec to a sec in real life. Like everyone of the shooters here has said the best way to find the right caliber and or gun is to: shoot shoot shoot and after that shoot some more! Then decide for yourself ohh i like this gun or this caliber the best. Each gun will have features you will love or hate shooting and holding them is the only way to know which is best...

I personally love single stage triggers and I HATE... with a passion double stage triggers. to me the pull is way too long and switching from my rifle to my pistol I want the pull to be identical... short, clean and crisp! 3lb trigger pull on all my guns :tup:

I am odd. I like Glock's trigger and shoot to the reset. If you do that, it is a pretty short pull and it NEVER changes feel like my SA/DA sig. The SIG was polished up by Torie of GGI and feels great. I would guestimate it at around 4# and very crisp in SA.

hmm

my usp .45, my first handgun

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._1101471_n.jpg

sexy

my fav recently has been the XD40, i liked it a lot but it's not on that list. also, i have only shot a handful (no pun intended) of those guns you have listed so it's hard for me to say what's the best out of those.

Hk p2000sk .357sig :)

Yeah handguns :happydance:

Belgian made Browning High Power in 9mm.

Sig Sauer Mosquito camo in .22 with threaded barrel. I have a supressor that is interchangeable with my CZ model 452.


I am a Sig fan, but you can't go wrong with an XD(M) or H&K.

The problem is that the agency or department doesn't have the time or money to have the cops at the range all the time. Shooting at the range is a luxury for civilians. I'm all about supporting more range days.

:bowrofl: I'm glad someone did it.

I understand this, and maybe it is just inherent ability, but I skipped the range for over a year while I was in college too broke to pay fees/ammo and walked in after that and proceeded to put them all in the head of the sillhouette at the 15 yard line no problem during my CCW class. I think what many cops lack is a good foundation in the FUNDAMENTALS of shooting. Trigger control, front sight, etc. All they care about is taking that dusty thing out of their holster and qualifying every 6 months, 1 year, whatever their policy is. They never break it down and clean it, its just more "gear" to them. One state trooper I spoke with did not even know what caliber his P220 was.

They may have heard these terms and know what they mean, but noone spent the time with them to help them feel and use those "terms". I have seen this with a lot of former/current military as well. There is a HUGE lack of understanding of and practice of the fundamentals that lead to making solid hits on target quickly.

Practice makes perfect, but doing the wrong thing over and over and over makes for a poor performance.

OMG!!! PREACH IT!!! :tup: this is sooo true! The difference in the good shooters and ok shooters is all in the fundamentals! Its the little things that make the difference! because they all add up... I started out at a gun range renting then decided I wanted more. So I bought an HK45 I liked it alot mainly because of the name and my nerdy gamer attitude. I soon learned that the gun wasnt the best match for me and my inherent shooting style sooo... :tup: I started renting again and calling friends Like SEMTEX to go shooting with me and go to gun shows... soon I found that I was meant to shoot 1911's I started watching as my groupings dropped into smaller and smaller circles and I felt extremely comfortable with a 1911 in my hand. One day me an Semtex went to a gun show and we saw my Dan Wesson Valor sitting on the bench brand new for $1200... both of us looked at each other and Semtex (Ben) said if you dont buy it I will... It will go nicely with my collection of Ed Brown's... I said screw that and bought it on site! The next day I took it to the range and I could not believe my eyes when the first 5 shots were a 1" grouping at 25yd backstop... I put the gun down and said I am done for the day... that didnt last but 5 secs before I wanted to shoot it more! Now I am a consistent 3" grouping guy at 25yd backstop so this was night and day!!!


I also bought a POF 6.8SPC AR like in the pics I showed you guys... surprisingly the 6.8SPC is good to 700yds!!! the 5.56 effectiveness truly falls off at 500yds but the 6.8 carries to 700yds! I have a friend with a private outdoor range that goes to 800yds and at 700yds he placed a 6" diameter Manikin(sp) head on a metal re-bar rod that stuck 2-3ft in the ground. It took me about 5-7 shots to hit it but once I did it spun the head like a top and threw the head and re-bar to the ground... I was using a Trijicon TA31F which is only a 4x magnifier so a 6" target is like a speck of dust on the lense. my brother was spotting for me with our 52x spotting scope and every shot was like a 1" to .5" off of the target... I contributed it to shooter error not hitting the target sooner. It seemed like if you breathed wrong or pulled a little too hard on the trigger you missed by a fraction lol I was getting pissed and determined to hit it... and called it a day after I nailed it.

ohhh the fun of shooting :tup:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...4/3dfdee40.jpgnot mine but my brother in law's collection

dpms lrt-sass .308
belgian AK
POF (forgot which model but I do remember that it's a new round)
Sig556
kimber SIS 1911

he also has a glock 21 & 32, SA xD .45 and a remington 870.

:rolleyes: I think both of you overestimate yourselves. Not all cops are as you describe. Maybe you know the crappy ones that don't care, or they have issues they don't want to discuss which affects their shooting.

The fundamentals ARE important, but I think some people refuse to practice them or listen to the instructions.

Shooting head shots at the 15 yard line isn't hard at all. I can do that all day. Going a year w/o shooting only made you more careful and focused.

All I'm saying is please don't generalize the LEO's. I also want to reiterate that the luxury of taking more time at the range rests with those that don't have as much on their plate as the LEO's.

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I'm a pretty good shooter. This is my instructor. We can empty six clips and hit a bottle at 15 yards.

http://www.jedi-robe.com/images/page...m_gun_half.jpg

To answer the original question, I think the 870 would be a great investment for home defense. It's like the Chevy 350 engine - reliable and built like a brick shithouse.

:iagree:, my 1st was an 870 2o guage wingmaster

I had not idea we had so many gun nuts on this forum. I think we need a dedicated thread.

Ruger sp-101 .357 is my main conceal carry because I still think that revolvers are more dependable than semi-autos, it has the stopping power and is under $500. I can also use cheap .38 special ammo for practice. That being said, I love my Beretta 92 and Beretta Storm .45 for fun.
If you carry/store in your car then you may want a locking gun safe that tethers to the seat anchor. Then you can place it on the shelf behind the passenger seat for easy retrieval.

I prefer to think of myself as a pro-second amendment kind of guy rather than a "gun nut" :icon17:

I see a lot of you are serious about your guns. How many of you reload your own ammo? I've been picking up brass since I was five so it's almost second nature to reload my own. :)

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Done :tup:
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