Bumble Bee NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

370zproject · 10-14-2010, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LuckyJinx

Shoulda drove a z.

hahaah poor bee... but hahhaaha

ThoriumHotdog · 10-14-2010, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fullmonty

Hard to tell if the light for the cop was green or not, but if it was red, lights and a siren does not mean you can just go barreling through a traffic light with total disregard. He could really screw up his career doing that.

It was a closed street and they were shooting a scene for the movie. It was the stunt drivers job to drive like that. The cop was the one who made the mistake, not the stunt driver. It would be a different story if this was just some random Camaro on some open street driving around like a fool.

WarmAndSCSI · 10-14-2010, 03:18 AM

Jeffblue · 10-14-2010, 07:22 AM

btw, bumblebee should be drifting around that corner anyway. wtf is this, grandma in a rush to get her perscription filled?

obviuosly, if you are a 'stunt' anything, you do dangerous stuff. but i think this leaves the police open to a liability suit. If you have a legal drag strip at a race track, and a cop decides there is an emergecy and drives across the far end of the track to get somewhere it would be deadly. bottom line is cops need to be aware of where they are driving. if i saw a cop barrelling down a street at 60-70 where the speed limit is 20 and there is a school, i'd be pretty bothered.

cop's thought process: "Oh man this idiot kid just hit me! i'm calling this one in! i've been waiting to take down one of these ******** that buys the bumblebee camaro. seriously what the hell is up with that? its a movie, get over yourself. bumblebee isn't real, why would you spend 35k on a car that looks like a giant space robot from a fictional movie... seriously man.... wait, is that optimus prime? what are all these people doing here? ....oh... god. *turns off sirens*

Lemers · 10-14-2010, 08:34 AM

Here's a thought:

in order for the police department to headoff a liability suit by the production company and stunt driver the cops press charges against the driver. Charges like not yeilding to an emergency viehicle, assualt of a police officer in the performance of his duty, use of deadly force to increase the assualt charge. This way if you can get the driver to plead to the lesser charge with a fine and no jail time then it would be hard for him to file in civil court.

Jeffblue · 10-14-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

Here's a thought:

in order for the police department to headoff a liability suit by the production company and stunt driver the cops press charges against the driver. Charges like not yeilding to an emergency viehicle, assualt of a police officer in the performance of his duty, use of deadly force to increase the assualt charge. This way if you can get the driver to plead to the lesser charge with a fine and no jail time then it would be hard for him to file in civil court.

haha i wouldn't be surprised if they pull that. then again, the video evidence is pretty undisputable. honestly, what would happen if a cop rolled up onto the set of some movie with a bank robbery scene while they were shooting and shot one of the actors because he had a gun?

350z_2nr · 10-14-2010, 08:50 AM

def the cops fault, the stunt driver prob didn't expect the cop to come through at all or even really see him until it was too late.

LuckyJinx · 10-14-2010, 09:15 AM

That is true, but i rather him saving someone's life than worry about the camaro.

Lemers · 10-14-2010, 09:26 AM

The cop did have lights and sirens on. Why didn't the camaro driver knotice the cop and try to avoid him. He's a trained stunt driver.

Forget the poor dead carcass of bumble bee. Didn't anyone knotice that optimis had a trailer (1st time in the movies). Wonder what it's for? Does it change into anything cool like a heavy gun platform like the toy did or just to carry cargo?

driftmunkey · 10-14-2010, 09:34 AM

Poor bumblebee. Time to get upgraded!

Jeffblue · 10-14-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

The cop did have lights and sirens on. Why didn't the camaro driver knotice the cop and try to avoid him. He's a trained stunt driver.

wait... really? stunt drivers and doubles are supposed to be good at doing dangerous things in a controlled environment. they act based on how they rehearsed the scene over and over again. Thats like saying an actor in a movie should be better at coping with the death of a family member because they played a character in a movie in which their child died. The reason they close the street in these kinds of scenes specifically for this reason. so that the environment is controlled, and there is nothing unexpected. All the driver knows is that he's supposed to take that turn at a specific queue. If a streaker gets hit in the head with a 90mph fastball at a baseball game, its not the pitchers fault.

Jeffblue · 10-14-2010, 10:11 AM

haha supposedly its being written into the film.

Lemers · 10-14-2010, 11:03 AM

Training is exactly that. A controlled environment. The US military trains hundreds of thousands of Soldiers to conduct missions. And yes these Soldiers are expected to perform in during realworld missions. Just like a person that reaches a high level of skill in martial arts could be considered a leathal weapon by the eyes of the law even if he never been in a real fight. This driver is a professional driver with more than just a simple defensive driving course under his belt. The DA could and would use that to justify his responsiblity in not avoiding the officer in the performance of his duties.

Jeffblue · 10-14-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

Training is exactly that. A controlled environment. The US military trains hundreds of thousands of Soldiers to conduct missions. And yes these Soldiers are expected to perform in during realworld missions. Just like a person that reaches a high level of skill in martial arts could be considered a leathal weapon by the eyes of the law even if he never been in a real fight. This driver is a professional driver with more than just a simple defensive driving course under his belt. The DA could and would use that to justify his responsiblity in not avoiding the officer in the performance of his duties.

that bs about someone being considered a lethal weapon if they are a professional fighter or martial artist is a crock. The only time thats ever relevant is if they were to curb stop someone or go above and beyond reason to the point where its no longer self defense. If someone goes to mug you and you break their jaw, you're fine, even if you are a boxer. If you throw them to the ground and kick them in the ribs then you've got a problem.

your point about them being held to a higher standard because they are a stunt driver doesn't make any sense either.

"Stunt driving is being able to take a vehicle to the edge of losing control…. while staying in control. "Controlled Chaos" as some have said. Almost every action movie features some type of automotive stunt work. Whether it is a fully involved car chase with multiple vehicles, or a single car sliding to a stop on a specific mark, these maneuvers are all executed by highly trained stunt performers.

As out of control as some of these stunts may look, they are planned, choreographed, rehearsed, and performed with every precaution taken. Timing can be critical and if one driver is a little off their mark or just a few seconds too late or early, the shot can be ruined or worse, someone could be hurt."

shadoquad · 10-14-2010, 11:39 AM

Whoever's fault it is, it is tragic. Indeed, both drivers share some of the responsibility, though to what extent, I don't know.

The key thing is that it should not have happened. It wasn't intended to happen.

10-14-2010, 03:18 AM	#18 (permalink)
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10-14-2010, 07:22 AM	#19 (permalink)
Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 37	btw, bumblebee should be drifting around that corner anyway. wtf is this, grandma in a rush to get her perscription filled? obviuosly, if you are a 'stunt' anything, you do dangerous stuff. but i think this leaves the police open to a liability suit. If you have a legal drag strip at a race track, and a cop decides there is an emergecy and drives across the far end of the track to get somewhere it would be deadly. bottom line is cops need to be aware of where they are driving. if i saw a cop barrelling down a street at 60-70 where the speed limit is 20 and there is a school, i'd be pretty bothered. cop's thought process: "Oh man this idiot kid just hit me! i'm calling this one in! i've been waiting to take down one of these ******** that buys the bumblebee camaro. seriously what the hell is up with that? its a movie, get over yourself. bumblebee isn't real, why would you spend 35k on a car that looks like a giant space robot from a fictional movie... seriously man.... wait, is that optimus prime? what are all these people doing here? ....oh... god. turns off sirens Last edited by Jeffblue; 10-14-2010 at 07:28 AM.

10-14-2010, 08:34 AM	#20 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	Here's a thought: in order for the police department to headoff a liability suit by the production company and stunt driver the cops press charges against the driver. Charges like not yeilding to an emergency viehicle, assualt of a police officer in the performance of his duty, use of deadly force to increase the assualt charge. This way if you can get the driver to plead to the lesser charge with a fine and no jail time then it would be hard for him to file in civil court. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

10-14-2010, 09:26 AM	#24 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	The cop did have lights and sirens on. Why didn't the camaro driver knotice the cop and try to avoid him. He's a trained stunt driver. Forget the poor dead carcass of bumble bee. Didn't anyone knotice that optimis had a trailer (1st time in the movies). Wonder what it's for? Does it change into anything cool like a heavy gun platform like the toy did or just to carry cargo? __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

10-14-2010, 11:03 AM	#28 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	Training is exactly that. A controlled environment. The US military trains hundreds of thousands of Soldiers to conduct missions. And yes these Soldiers are expected to perform in during realworld missions. Just like a person that reaches a high level of skill in martial arts could be considered a leathal weapon by the eyes of the law even if he never been in a real fight. This driver is a professional driver with more than just a simple defensive driving course under his belt. The DA could and would use that to justify his responsiblity in not avoiding the officer in the performance of his duties. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

10-14-2010, 08:50 AM	#22 (permalink)
350z_2nr Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bristol, TN Posts: 87 Drives: roadster 370zTT 350z Rep Power: 15	def the cops fault, the stunt driver prob didn't expect the cop to come through at all or even really see him until it was too late.

10-14-2010, 09:15 AM	#23 (permalink)
LuckyJinx Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 465 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 14	That is true, but i rather him saving someone's life than worry about the camaro.

10-14-2010, 09:34 AM	#25 (permalink)
driftmunkey Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 16 Drives: G37, Q56 Rep Power: 14	Poor bumblebee. Time to get upgraded!

10-14-2010, 10:11 AM	#27 (permalink)
Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 37	haha supposedly its being written into the film.

10-14-2010, 11:39 AM	#30 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	Whoever's fault it is, it is tragic. Indeed, both drivers share some of the responsibility, though to what extent, I don't know. The key thing is that it should not have happened. It wasn't intended to happen.