its a gut wrecher for sure

i also read today that after editing the finale its now gonna be 2.5 hours because they couldnt fit it all into just the 2 hour slot

the more the merrier... now my buddies need to hurry the eff up and get here... maybe ill watch it and re-watch it again lol...

here are both of the ABC sneak peeks for next week

i am posting the link instead of embedding for those that dont want to know anything

#1

YouTube - Lost - 6.15 - Across The Sea - Official Sneak Peek #1

#2 this one confirms something ive suspected for a long time

YouTube - LOST EPISODE 6.15 "ACROSS THE SEA" SNEAK PEEK 2

oh and can someone help me out with this question..

who planted the C4 on ajira?

it had to be either widmore as either a last ditch back up plan to stop MIB from leaving.. or as part of a rouse for the losties ( if you believe him and mib are someone still on the same side and its a long con)

or was it richard miles and ben? they were going to the barracks to get explosives to well blow up the plane...... but the problem with that is why would they have rigged it to blow when the plane started possibly killing their friends... and how did they get past the guards to plant it?...

so it was widmore right? but was it a trap... i mean no one with common sense believed the plane was able to fly so was the explosives in the plane just for show?

I bet you they were mid way to blowing it up but Widmore stops them...

Doesn't widmore know about the the candidate and maybe the fact that if all of them die the MIB is free? I though it was intresting that the MIB can't kill them by himself and has to have someone else do it, just like what he did with jacob. I am curious as to why desmond is so important and what his role in all this is going to be.

yeah i mean if you believe widmore really is good then he was keeping them away from MIB in the cages....

and yeah MIB cant kill the canidates ( like what ghost boy jacob told him about sawyer) and they cant kill themselves directly ( like the dynamite scene with jack)

so MIBs plan was to have them all die together so there would be no more canidates and the game or whatever ends....

jack was right if they would have done nothing then the bomb wouldnt have gone off... but i assume MIB knew that sawyer with the guilt of juliet wouldnt let jack sit there and do nothing so by him disarming it ( the irony now is he is responsible for jin sun sayid and lapidus death just like jack was juliet)

... it went off and then you can get technical and say but isnt that like killing themselves? well i guess since sayid wasnt a canidate anymore that it blew him up and the sub sinking was a result of that so it wasnt directly them killing themselves... almost like another loophole.... the canidates can die they just cant be killed by MIB directly or kill themselves directly

so does that mean that sun was a canidate and not jin? if jin was then could he have stayed with her? isnt that suicide? might be a stretch i dunno


not sure about the desmond connection yet.. must have to do with bridging the sideways? i still think locke is gonna come back somehow..... he has to be the what lies in the shadow of the statue ...he who will save us all thing

I was also speculating about him being the only one that traveled between the two realities had to do with his importance. Did you understand why he hit and run lock at the school? I think it was so he could meet jack in the hospital. Also was is your suspicion about MIB and jacob in that sneak peek? Form what I gathered MIB mom was shipwrecked and jacobs mom has been there. Its going to be interesting to see how the two grew up as friends and then basically enemies, plus why it's so important to keep MIB on the island.

Why does the candidate have to be either Sun or Jin? It could very well be their child... remember Jacob touched both of em - so you know ... one X from mom and one X from dad...

he hit him i think to recreate or mirror the fall out of the building from the island world which would jog the memory of the original timeline..... the last shot of that episode showed john from like the exact angle of when he fell out of the building.. and it worked he was mumbling about the button and i wish you have believed me in his sleep.

and yeah i think the hospital and jack plays a role in there too..



here is my theory on those sneak peeks.. i havent read spoilers so if im right im just right

ok clearly the one woman was pregnant... i think she is both jacob and MIBs mom i think they are brothers (do they look the same age in that second clip? jacob does look older but to me it makes sense that they are twins ) .... i think the other woman in that clip ( allison janey) is like the current island protector role person maybe of that era ?

and i think she raises them instead of that woman with the hurt leg. remember the first time mib sees the kid.. he is younger and has bloody hands... so something bad happens... and i think that maybe she is grooming them for the island protector role.. and loves jacob more than MIB or something and maybe jacob betrays MIB for that role of island protector?

basically i dont think either one of them are gods or supernatural.. i think the role of island protector gave jacob those powers and that MIB got screwed somehow (the whole body was stolen thing he talked about) i think all that MIB is pure evil is BS i think this is some big game between brothers and MIB is just a really really pissed off guy going for revenge


by the way i read a few months ago this episode takes place in a time and place never before seen .... the time i get but it looks like its on the island the whole time.... i thought we were gonna get some answers to all the egyptian stuff....

or wait just thought of something you could be right and that one older lady is jacobs mom and and like MIB could be like an adopted black sheep type kid and his step mom was crazy to him.. because to me the blonde boy does look older i guess

but wasnt there some reference on lost to bad twin?

or maybe that pregnant girl is like claire and maybe mib was the real canidate and maybe jacobs mom stole the birth right from him so jacob could be the protector?

isnt that like jacob and esau in the bible... like one tricked their father that they were the other one or something? im not saying its literaly that im just saying lost uses a lot of familar myth and two battling brothers is a common one through out alot of cultures

maybe thats the shepard blood line? hmm

i dunno

Yeah I watch it on hulu, and a person did mention jacob and esau. Esau was a hunter and and was loved more by his dad, while jacob stayed home and I guess you can say a pretty boy and was loved more by his mother. I wonder if they are going to show them as twins? lol maybe because of their hair color thats why jacob is good and MIB is bad. They have not revealed MIB name have they? Also, just throwing it out there, I think it would have been interesting if hurley could have seen locke, unless there is something the MIB does when he takes over the image of someone that they can't communicate....just a though....lol. To think I though people were crazy watching the show :excited:. can't wait to see who those other people are.

Maybe MIB will be enticed to go with those people in the preview and therefor be turned to the dark side :icon14:?

Also with the blood line maybe not, cause if shepard was part of the bloodline then there would be no need for the candidacy.

Was the anything mentioned about the reason for the Egyptian like statue before its was destroyed, also i remember they noticed that it had only 4 toes?

the statue was Taweret goddess of protection and fertility

im guessing the egyptian stuff can just be explained by many civilizations had come there in the past and the egyptians built things while they were there? and jacob just hangs out in the abandoned statue?


Taweret - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


yeah the bloodline thing really goes against the canidate so that couldnt make sense i dont guess.... im just trying to think of a way that aaron is important... they made such a big deal over him about beign raised by claire and then they had that dream with the white and black eyes on locke ... then they kinda let that go a little

heres a good subject for everyone... besides the overall story arch whats the one specific question you have to have answered before the show ends?

for me it has to be who was in the rocking chair in the cabin and the whole story around that.... i was going to say the donkey wheel too..

hmmm...those two are pretty good, I'm def. curious about the wheel and how it got there. Didn't MIB mention to desmond a little history of the well and how the people found it? Maybe they will reveal it in the next episode. I just want to know about the whole history of the island and how it got there and why is it really there, unless they already mentioned it. Also, how did jacob get off the island w/o MIB knowing, unless they already mentioned it....lol. I'm probably going to watch all of them again after its finished.

well.. there is a...well in this pic from the promo for next week.. its either the well desmond is in or it might be the well that the donkey wheel is under that later became the orchid

my heads spinning with answers and questions...

^^^ was it good? did the story of jacob and MIB help answer some questions? I have no TV and watch it on hulu :( so I will find out tomorrow

it puts such a new perspective on the show you kinda just got to watch it before i can even say anything... like it answers alot of long running island mysteries but it left me with a few big questions that i think i know the answer too but am not sure...

i was suprised that i called alot of what happened but there was alot i didnt foresee

its complicated lol

So glad hulu put all seasons up, watched all of it within a week :D

yeah i will be watching this one again in the morning once its up.. i think they add them 5-6am EST

ok i thought on it a little and here is what i think was goin on


crazy witch woman raised MIB and jacob as a loophole of her own .. she raised one to take over for her and one to kill her/free her..... at first she loved MIB more i think hoping to make jacob jealous but MIB was like a free spirit and wanted to leave.. when he did she turned to mommas boy jacob and made him protector... then she somehow destroyed that village ( did she summon the smoke or was she the smoke i have no damn idea?) and the messed up the orchid well.. she knew that MIB would come and kill her ( thats why she said thank you) notice he stabbed her with that knife without saying anything to her just like he told richard to do to jacob and dogen to him..... so she played both of them sort of i guess she had be protecting the island for so long she wanted an out...

now who knows what was down in that cave but it fused with MIB's soul and left his body.. at first i thought that OMG the smoke monster is seperate from MIB and was just pretending to be him to jacob in the convos....just like locke and everyone else dead....but then i thought why would the rules still apply and why would he still want to go home and talk about a crazy mother... i mean when he looks like locke is doenst say he is locke but the smoke monster really does have MIB's his soul.. its still in there just fused with the light ... i think of it like venom sort of.. so i guess the island as a cork story is true that the light energy thats fused with MIB cant leave or everyone dies...



but one question i have is.... ok obviously these were romans and the big rumor was it was supposed to be 23AD.. ok so what about the egyptian stuff? that had to come thousands of years before... and remember the room under the temple with anubis summoning the smoke? ok thats proof the smoke monster existed before MIB was thrown inthe the light

good observations... MIB took on the role of 'smoke monster', a role that must be as long-standing as 'protector'... for the 'mother' it was just a matter of figuring out which would inherit her role as 'protector' of the island

so now we know Locke becomes the new 'smoke monster' - who's the f'ing 'protector'??? lol

... and more importantly, how does the island relate to the rest of the planet? first plane of hell, as per mythology ??? classical biblical "purgatory" ???

Ok so...MIB is still the same as in smoke form, but he has no body now? Also since that light source is gone, was it like the most important one, cause remember when locke turned the same wheel that MIB installed in the well, the light is still there. Also since MIB body has stayed in the cave for so long (skeleton remains) I'm guessing he can still show his true form, but what happened to jacks dads body? It was not in the castket....

My guess is who ever jacobs final candidate is....I say jack.

yeah his soul like fused with whatever that light was.... i dont think the smoke is just pretending to be him and his just a collection of memories i mean that does explain why he said say hello to my son as christian.. but then again that was part of the manipulation of the canidates... and besides his fake mom said that he wouldnt die and it was worse than death so i think it really is MIB as smoke... just his body laying there kinda threw me for a second...


good question about the light.. i dont think all of it was absorbed by the smoke... the wheel well isnt the same place where that cave was MIB was thown in.. so there are still pockets of it scattered around i assume


i bet that is where widmore wanted desmond to go as i bet it is actually electro magnetism and he wanted so see if desmond can withstand it? the fake mom said something about man wanting more of it and widmore to me seems like he is power hungry

yeah i think he can take the form of anyone not buried.... as far as where christian is.. im gonna guess or just fill in the blank... that MIB hid the body to keep the ruse going that he was actually christian.. wasnt yemi's body missing too? i think if jack or eko found the bodies they would realize they were being tricked

this skit was sorta funny on kimmel last night


and here are the 2 sneak peeks for next week

oh and an explaination of the inaccurate 50 year old comment about the adam and eve bodies in season 1


full interview about the episode

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-al...across-the-sea

SEPINWALL: You've said many times that when people find out who Adam and Eve are, we'll all realize just how long you've been planning the mythology. Well, I went back and watched the "House of the Rising Sun" scene, and Jack says that the clothing looks like it's 50 years old. Is he just not very good at calculating the rate of decay on fabric?

CUSE: Jack is not really an expert in carbon dating.

LINDELOF: He's not really a forensic anthropologist. We need to bring in Bones.

CUSE: Or Charlotte. She's an anthropolgist.

LINDELOF: The other theory that I would like to throw out there is that Jacob and his mother were just expert craftsmen. They made those clothes on that loom so well, it would appear that they were only 50 years old in decomposition, when in fact it's several thousand.

CUSE: Or perhaps the fabric is magic. A lot of theories there, Alan





looks like they arnt answering who juliet shot.. WTF?? seriously who was is.. my guess it either ben miles or richard

Okay, finally, I have to ask, simply because it's been driving me nuts for a year and a half: what's going on with showing the other half of the outrigger shootout?

CC: The outrigger shootout is not something we're bending around in gyrations so we can solve it. In the grand scheme of the show, that is a fairly obscure piece of the show. It is your particular obsession...

DL: ...and you're not alone in it.

CC: You're not alone in it. And yes, it would have been great if we had had the opportunity to close the time loop. But you can't get everything done and keeping the narrative going in a straight line. This is one of those things where we made a very conscious choice to ask, "What are the big questions? And most importantly, what are the paths of these characters? Where do they lead?" And we followed those paths and tried not to trip ourselves up getting too diverted from that. We felt that that's the thing that's ultimately going to make the finale work or not work. We got to the point where we made the finale we wanted to make, that was our approach, and I think it was the only approach we could take. We sat here in my office, had breakfast every day for six years, talked about the show, and we used this gut check methodology, where if we both loved something and thought it was cool, that would go in. We applied that same methodology to the finale, and that was the only way we could do it. We came up with a finale that we thought was cool, that was emotional and one we really liked. That's the best we could do.

DL: When we wrote that scene and somebody started shooting at them, we knew exactly who was shooting at them. That is not a dangling thread that we don't know the answer to. That being said, as we started talking about paying that off this season, it felt like the episode was at the service of closing the time loop, as opposed to what the characters might actually be doing in that scenario. It never felt organic. We decided we would rather take our lumps from the people who couldn't scratch that itch than to produce an episode that was in service of putting people in an outrigger and getting shot at.

dude... do not be enamored by this nonsense... seriously - they left 100 questions un-answered and when they choose to touch on something like adam and eve from season 1(?) - its just to try and convince us that they planned it all along... the truth is- they never knew who adam and eve were going to be let alone even if they were going to touch upon it again... they just go back and try and put things in context for us... the ending is going to be obvious... and I do not expect anything revealing... The last episode did not tell us much... other than where J and MIB (and his motive) come from... still does not address what the island is... and a million other questions... I would not have been surprised if the show had ended up announcing that the world really was ruled by polar bears and that's where the one back in season one came from... I had really high hopes for this show - but it is just entertainment and not some brilliantly executed scheme - they just strung us along and now they are having a hard time living up to the hype...

Lol, I do agree, it been ages and yet he has no name, even though his biological mother did not know it was twins and only had one name. I mean his crazy mom could have given him a name.

oh i know that they left adam and eve open ended until they had a plan..... like most everyone thought it was benard and rose....

but the outrigger? c mon that was last season... i always assumed she shot someone really important.. why even show that scene if you know you arnt gonna pay it off....

i guess though if his name wasnt something shockingly relevant like he was actually jacob or even aaron or something like that it was a mystery for so long that ... its better to be MIB than say timmy or jimmy or whatever lol.. i mean it suits the character better than to have to rewatch lost one day and say well theres billy the smoke monster ...... i mean in that aspect i agree with leaving some mystery... but somethings they have set up for years with no answer thats just not gonna be right to the viewer to leave it open

Okay. My head assplode.

How did MIB get that name? Did someone actually coin that name in one of the episodes or is that just a name used by fans?

i think it was at first a combination of a fan thing when everyone was discussing who the person was in the season 5 finale and i think ABC used that name in a recap or something... its also a reference to Randall Flagg from dark tower and the stand both have major influences on lost

oh and this fanmade promo for the finale sunday is epic

I could have seen that coming from a mile away. Of course Jack would take Jacob's place. I don't know how well their idea of killing MIB is gonna go. Ben is back to his usual crazy self from the looks of it. Its been awhile since he's been on.

Last week's episode was the shocker to me. Are they ever going to tell us MIB's name? It was like they were sooo intentionally not telling us. It was driving me nuts! How MIB came about was quite interesting. They were building up to it throughout the episode so I kinda figured it had to be from the light. And then they explained the bodies from season 1. I was like WHOA!!!

I'm suppose to be going to a Lost Finale get together on Sunday. Should be fun. But it starts at 7 ET? Thats kinda crappy.

you guys should take a few mins and watch this... its EW's current edition of totally lost and it has jacob and MIB on it... mark pelligrino and titus welliver actually give some really good clear cut insight on the characters and the episode.. those guys seem cool as hell

you would never get this much straight explanation from the producers or the regular actors.. plus there is a sort of funny skit with jacob as an intern lol


'Lost' Videos | Video | Totally 'Lost' | EW.com

yeah it seemed the jack as new jacob thing was way too easily done..



here is my biggest question of the episode... what did jacob want desmond to do as the failsafe? it was a last ditch effort to stop MIB from leaving and it had something to do with the electromagnetism right?

it couldnt be sinking the island as that would defeat the purpose of trying to stop MIB from sinking it.... does jacob even know about the sideways world?

I wonder if ben is really back to his old self, could be a ploy. Jack taking jacobs place was also a no-brainer, but I think its going to be short lived IMO. I wonder what can kill MIB, maybe his own ashes?