The New “What did you do with your Z today” (with off topic replies) XXXX

eastwest2300 · 06-22-2023, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by filip00

Correct.

It's much easier to secure someone from vacuum than from the depths and crazy pressures that are experienced in the bottom of the Mariana trench for example.
It's much easier to track and communicate to people in space, where there are NO OBSTACLES for radio wave communication, whereas in the sea, the opposite is true.
Thirdly, we have mapped the whole moon, because all you need is a telescope. To map the ocean floor, what do you think is necessary? That's a question for you to answer.

With the first two answers that I've given you, and the third one you can answer yourself -> you will answer the whole conundrum that bothers you.
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eastwest2300 · 06-22-2023, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveZ03

Looks like we've only mapped <10% of the global ocean, to filip00's point.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/exploration.html

He know's his stuff..

DaveZ03 · 06-22-2023, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

I am amazed society has apparently only mapped <10% of the global ocean.

I look forward to reading your thesis on how we can improve not only ocean mapping, but also meteorology. I await with baited breath.

eastwest2300 · 06-22-2023, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveZ03

I look forward to reading your thesis on how we can improve not only ocean mapping, but also meteorology. I await with baited breath.

vtec to vvel · 06-22-2023, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveZ03

I look forward to reading your thesis on how we can improve not only ocean mapping, but also meteorology. I await with baited breath.

I didn't bring up ocean mapping, someone else did. Perhaps you can enlighten us on this.

Meteorology: Again, it's not an exact science, but it's not rocket science either. They (the meteorologists) should be able to make better educated projections, at least a lot more educated and accurate than what they have been.

vtec to vvel · 06-22-2023, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

EW, what's your favorite flavor of ice cream?

vtec to vvel · 06-22-2023, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

He know's his stuff..

Yes, because he was able to look up how we as a society don't know our own planet. Great observation

vtec to vvel · 06-22-2023, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MZ DAIZY

God save the Queen, Man!

I'm a little late on this, but I now understand the reference, courtesy of youtube.

Holy sh!t....

vtec to vvel · 06-22-2023, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveZ03

I look forward to reading your thesis on how we can improve not only ocean mapping, but also meteorology. I await with baited breath.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/u...bmersible.html

"OceanGate Was Warned of Potential for ‘Catastrophic’ Problems With Titanic Mission."

"Experts inside and outside the company warned of potential dangers and urged the company to undergo a certification process."

We may not have ocean mapping squared away, but having multiple warnings of "catastrophic" problems with OceanGate and still moving forward with the mission. What say you on this?

vtec to vvel · 06-22-2023, 11:16 AM

https://www.fox13news.com/news/tropi...esser-antilles

"Neither Tropical Storm Bret nor Tropical Depression #4 will impact the United States."

I hope they are right.

DaveZ03 · 06-22-2023, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

I didn't bring up ocean mapping, someone else did. Perhaps you can enlighten us on this.

Meteorology: Again, it's not an exact science, but it's not rocket science either. They (the meteorologists) should be able to make better educated projections, at least a lot more educated and accurate than what they have been.

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

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We have the ability/technology to send people to the moon and rovers to Mars, which are thousands upon millions of miles away, and have the capabilities to track them so they don't get lost. Yet, we can't track a vehicle on our home turf that is less than 3 miles down underwater?

I'm just curious how we are supposed to find something that is lost in the middle of something we don't even have 10% mapped out. How did we send people to the moon? We mapped out the way, the fuel needed, the technology needed, the additional resources REQUIRED, etc.

So your question about how we can't solve the problem of finding folks in the ocean is clearly dependent on the understanding of the environment we are exploring. By exploring, we map.

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/u...bmersible.html

"OceanGate Was Warned of Potential for ‘Catastrophic’ Problems With Titanic Mission."

"Experts inside and outside the company warned of potential dangers and urged the company to undergo a certification process."

We may not have ocean mapping squared away, but having multiple warnings of "catastrophic" problems with OceanGate and still moving forward with the mission. What say you on this?

Quick google search:

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/20/a-...-he-was-fired/

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/21/11834...te-submersible

Amazing what a quick search can yield. Also it's easy to complain. It's hard to come up with solutions that are grounded in science. Enjoy the rest of your day.

MZ DAIZY · 06-22-2023, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/u...bmersible.html

"OceanGate Was Warned of Potential for ‘Catastrophic’ Problems With Titanic Mission."

"Experts inside and outside the company warned of potential dangers and urged the company to undergo a certification process."

We may not have ocean mapping squared away, but having multiple warnings of "catastrophic" problems with OceanGate and still moving forward with the mission. What say you on this?

I find it reprehensible that someone is monetizing a tragedy that took 1500 souls. These ghouls played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.

Hope that $250,000 was worth it!

vtec to vvel · 06-22-2023, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveZ03

I'm just curious how we are supposed to find something that is lost in the middle of something we don't even have 10% mapped out. How did we send people to the moon? We mapped out the way, the fuel needed, the technology needed, the additional resources REQUIRED, etc.

So your question about how we can't solve the problem of finding folks in the ocean is clearly dependent on the understanding of the environment we are exploring. By exploring, we map.

That is exactly my point. We have the time/energy/resources to map out space for the moon, which is thousands of miles away, but can't take the same resources to map out less than 3 miles underwater?

This is a "problem" that can easily be solved: map out the general area of the ocean of their target area. In this case, the resting place of the Titanic. Like you said, explore to map the 3 miles of underwater. I think we both can agree that it is MUCH easier to explore/map 3 miles underwater than it is to explore/map thousands of miles into space.

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Originally Posted by DaveZ03

Quick google search:

https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/20/a-...-he-was-fired/

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/21/11834...te-submersible

Amazing what a quick search can yield. Also it's easy to complain. It's hard to come up with solutions that are grounded in science. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Lol Did I come across as complaining? I was thinking it was more of expressing shock/astonishment. At the end of the day, this doesn't affect me personally so I really don't have any complaints about this.

DaveZ03 · 06-22-2023, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

I think we both can agree that it is MUCH easier to explore/map 3 miles underwater than it is to explore/map thousands of miles into space.

If it is SO MUCH easier, than why aren't you doing it? Do you have a solution to present? I'll wait...

filip00 · 06-22-2023, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by vtec to vvel

I'm not angry nor asking for 100% accurate results, and I understand weather is not an exact science. BUT, given the education/technology/qualifications/etc. needed, meteorologist should and need to give a better picture of its projected path based on conditions and factors (i.e. warm air, warm water, wind shear, troughs, any jet streams that could push the hurricane away to a different direction, etc.). They have plenty of tools and resources and KNOWN variables to depict these phenomenons. There will be different scenarios, but these should be very limited, and not have the spaghetti models with the entire alphabet.

They can't. Now what? Should we all fire them?

they can give accurate predictions maybe 24h in advance. More than that is pure guesswork.

Now what?

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