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JARblue 06-02-2020 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3938790)
Definitely. Better to get a conviction for 3rd than an acquittal for 1st.

If he is not convicted, the last few days are going to look like a day at Disneyland.

I think that is pretty much exactly the prosecutors' thinking. Absolutely CANNOT have an acquittal no matter what the charge.

Hotrodz 06-02-2020 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3938785)
I have a big problem with the 3rd degree murder indictment. But it is understandable considering the circumstances.

The biggest problem with 1st and 2nd degree murder is you have to prove intent. In the case of 1st degree you often need premeditation as well. Sure we all know the cop's intent was to kill Mr. Floyd, but prosecutors felt that placing that decision in the hands of a jury was dangerous. Case in point look at the former DA lady that was looking good for Biden's VP (not a chance in hell now :ugh:) - in Minneapolis under her there were 12 cases of black victims killed by cops that went to a grand jury and didn't even get an indictment. That means they didn't even think an investigation was warranted. That's a problem in Minneapolis that goes beyond the police force :shakes head:

So with the 3rd degree murder charge the prosecutors simply have to prove that placing your knee on someone's neck like that could kill them. That's a slam dunk. Or should be :eekdance:

This is the problem, Black people have been convicted of 1st and 2nd degree murder for less. This part of the bais that runs deep in America and why people are protesting. Intent, how about his previous complaint record not to mention all the ones that never were documented.

That piece of **** had his hand in his pocket because he was holding his ****. He was getting off over dominating and stealing Mr. Floyd's power. I know purely speculation but this is not uncommon with those that get off over dominating their victims.

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Spooler 06-02-2020 06:17 PM

Prosecuter needs to do his best to do better than 3rd degree. Not only that. The other 3 pieces of crap that stood by and did nothing need to be accessories at least. WTH

Hotrodz 06-02-2020 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3938808)
Prosecuter needs to do his best to do better than 3rd degree. Not only that. The other 3 pieces of crap that stood by and did nothing need to be accessories at least. WTH

They all participated in holding him down or getting him to the ground. Again if you and I rob a Circle K and you shoot and kill someone and I am driving the getaway car...guess what I get charged with murder as well.

The more this goes on the more ludicrous it gets!!!

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SouthArk370Z 06-02-2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3938808)
Prosecuter needs to do his best to do better than 3rd degree. Not only that. The other 3 pieces of crap that stood by and did nothing need to be accessories at least. WTH

The trial hasn't started yet so it's possible that charges may be upgraded. But I doubt it. Maybe 2nd degree if the prosecutor feels confident enough. Hard to get any conviction for a cop; damn near impossible for 1st degree murder.

Yep. All three were in on it. As mentioned above, if someone dies during the commission of a felony, the perp(s) is charged with murder.

Rusty 06-02-2020 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3938786)
That post was worth a lot more than two cents. Well said.

:iagree:

Rusty 06-02-2020 10:16 PM

The cop is guilty as chit. No question. The other cops are guilty too for their part.

Protesting is a right we have in this country. But when the protest is hi-jacked for other means. The protest lost it true meaning. George Floyd has become the forgot man in all is this. It's no longer about Mr Floyd. It's all about causing chaos. :mad:

What happened to Mr. Floyd, should never have happened. To him or anyone else.

cossie1600 06-02-2020 10:19 PM

The faster the good cops weed out the bad ones, the better it is for everyone. They need to stand up to their union and break the frat boy culture of the police department.

Rusty 06-02-2020 10:44 PM

Where I live at. We have one full time cop and 3 part time cops. When they are not on duty. If you call 911. You might get the state police in about an hour or so. Depending how many of them are on duty, and if they are in a different part of the county. Basically, you're on your own. The retired chief lives across the street, 2 houses up. I know the other ones. They all are good people.

Rusty 06-02-2020 11:27 PM

Truth!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMbnZwnJ-yE

bunk 06-03-2020 07:53 AM

Saw a C130 yesterday flying into LAX. C17s normally fly around here not C130s. National Guard must be flying in troops and/or equipment.

bunk 06-03-2020 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3938890)
Truth!


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There was an elderly lady who lived in a neighborhood that was looted/burned that was interviewed. She was devastated because her local stores were destroyed - retail, grocery etc... She said that she takes public transportation and that they are not operating in her area because of all the rioting.
My blood started boiling and I had to turn off the TV... breaks my heart.

MZ DAIZY 06-03-2020 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3938795)
I think that is pretty much exactly the prosecutors' thinking. Absolutely CANNOT have an acquittal no matter what the charge.

Agreed, an acquittal will be open season on everyone. Cops don’t do well in prison and if this clown was smart, he’d off himself, ala Jeff Epstein. Save us all the trouble and worry about an acquittal. Three scariest words in world?

Trial by Jury.

Zoren 370 06-03-2020 10:21 AM

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Please dot let Media control your life.

This is prime example of what they do to fuel fear and hatred!

Shut down media. Earth would be peaceful!


Attachment 142874

Same footage from the movie World war Z

Shame on you MSNBC... try harder!

bunk 06-03-2020 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370 (Post 3938964)
Please dot let Media control your life.

This is prime example of what they do to fuel fear and hatred!

Shut down media. Earth would be peaceful!


Attachment 142874

Same footage from the movie World war Z

Shame on you MSNBC... try harder!

To be fair, that was a fake video. Above the MSNBC logo, it shows the guy who made the video followed by "Not real"
That said, MSNBC and CNN have an extensive history of using photos that are staged and/or photos that were not from the actual story they publish.

Rusty 06-03-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370 (Post 3938964)
Please dot let Media control your life.

This is prime example of what they do to fuel fear and hatred!

Shut down media. Earth would be peaceful!


Attachment 142874

Same footage from the movie World war Z

Shame on you MSNBC... try harder!

Now you know why I not believe anything from the MSM. :mad:

Look at all the polls that came out before the last election. Look at the polls now. Enough said. :mad:

Zoren 370 06-03-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bunk (Post 3938968)
To be fair, that was a fake video. Above the MSNBC logo, it shows the guy who made the video followed by "Not real"
That said, MSNBC and CNN have an extensive history of using photos that are staged and/or photos that were not from the actual story they publish.

Ok thanks for the info. You see I got victimized by SMS with wrong information too. You do not know which one is real.

Its so easy to brain wash peoples mind using social media. I bet you if Im an extreme terrorist and wanted to instigate terror through misguided religious / political belief against the non believers. It would be very easy to organize a small group of people Using SMS and cause damage.

redondoaveb 06-03-2020 12:15 PM

Speaking of msm. They love to embelish everything also. I went for a bike ride yesyerday and a bunch of young white kids were protesting at a couple of our beach piers. They were walking back and forth from pier to pier. It was a peaceful protest and I had to ride through the group of them because they were walking right down the bike path. They were considerate enough to move out of the way.

When I got home later, I was watching the news and msm had a reporter down at one of the piers. All the protestors were gone by the time the msm got down there because the police declared "unlawful order" and forced them to leave.

The news reporter said "they had 3000 protestors down here today". Total bullcrap. If there were 200 I'd be surprised. :rolleyes:

Zoren 370 06-03-2020 01:10 PM

The rule for media if you see an earthworm you report you saw a rattle snake!

Thats what we do to attract attention and get media mileage! Money flows in!

Hotrodz 06-03-2020 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RumbleFish (Post 3938987)
Are you saying that Fox News and other right wingers don't do the same, if not worse?



Really?



https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/polit...ran/index.html



https://www.newstatesman.com/world/n...gn-things-come

The all lie and spin their stories. You have to get information from various sources and do your own fact checking.

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cv129 06-03-2020 01:58 PM

All 4 officers facing charges, lead guy got an upgrade to 2nd degree murder.

bunk 06-03-2020 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RumbleFish (Post 3938987)
Are you saying that Fox News and other right wingers don't do the same, if not worse?

Really?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/polit...ran/index.html

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/n...gn-things-come

Please tell me where in my statement did I say that "Fox News and other right wingers dont do the same, if not worse". Ill be waiting..... :facepalm:

JARblue 06-03-2020 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bunk (Post 3939000)
Please tell me where in my statement did I say that "Fox News and other right wingers dont do the same, if not worse". Ill be waiting..... :facepalm:

People like to assume. You know what that makes ... :ugh:

It's very similar to people who respond with "All lives matter." There's not an implied "only" at the beginning of the phrase "Black lives matter," you dip; there's an implied "too" at the end of it :shakes head:

SouthArk370Z 06-03-2020 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3938997)
All 4 officers facing charges, lead guy got an upgrade to 2nd degree murder.

According the MSNBC (the channel I happen to be watching right now), the 3 were charged with "aiding & abetting murder".

I hope and pray that the prosecutor hasn't over-reached in bumping the charges to 2nd degree. If the officer is not found guilty that will a) indicate to other bad cops that they can get away with murder and b) lead to wide-spread unrest (unrest is probably an understatement).

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SouthArk370Z 06-03-2020 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bunk (Post 3939000)
Please tell me where in my statement did I say that "Fox News and other right wingers dont do the same, if not worse". Ill be waiting..... :facepalm:

Gonna be a looooonnnnnggggg wait.

cossie1600 06-03-2020 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3939004)
According the MSNBC (the channel I happen to be watching right now), the 3 were charged with "aiding & abetting murder".

I hope and pray that the prosecutor hasn't over-reached in bumping the charges to 2nd degree. If the officer is not found guilty that will a) indicate to other bad cops that they can get away with murder and b) lead to wide-spread unrest (unrest is probably an understatement).

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Unfortunately juries have always been easy on cops committing crimes, think about all the acquittals. In the name of self defense and feeling threaten, they can get away with almost everything.

FL 4Motion 06-03-2020 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3938884)
Where I live at. We have one full time cop and 3 part time cops. When they are not on duty. If you call 911. You might get the state police in about an hour or so. Depending how many of them are on duty, and if they are in a different part of the county. Basically, you're on your own. The retired chief lives across the street, 2 houses up. I know the other ones. They all are good people.

This brings up a good point actually. In a small town or more rural area, everyone knows everyone and the police are your neighbors, friends, acquaintances. It’s a lot harder to dehumanize and abuse folks you know even if you don’t like them, (assuming we aren’t talking about a straight up sociopath).

In large urban areas, without a strong concerted effort to walk the beat, get to know folks and engage in community policing, you tend to get a police force that looks like an occupying military with fobs in strategic locations and the cops running combat and recon mounted patrols. This builds fear and distrust between both the citizens and the police.

If the police feel like they aren’t part of the community they serve, and the people don’t feel like the police are there to help them, distrust, fear grow and leads to terrible outcomes.

Now, add in to the above, the catastrophic “war on drugs” which decimated communities of color disproportionately And really began the militarization of our police forces, the offshoring of decent semi skilled manual labor jobs in the 70s on up (Baltimore’s docks are a good example), the criminalization of poverty, and of course our country’s as yet unhealed original sin of slavery, aka racism

And you get police brutality, it’s almost guaranteed.

This isn’t going to get better until we as a country acknowledge both the good and the bad in our history. There was a post a while back on here that very succinctly listed all the bad regarding African Americans/slavery and institutional racism from our earliest days to present.

At its core racism makes one group view another as subhuman, we do this type of thing all the time bc in order to commit violence on another group of people, or disenfranchise them, they must be viewed as other and worse than us, this also keeps public opinion on your side. War is a perfect example, we don’t kill our equal people who we respect and view as fully human, we kill krauts, japs, gooks, hajis etc. it makes it less traumatic and easier to justify. It applies from the other side too, Americans are evil capitalists, the white devil etc.

Europeans didn’t view Africans as inferior until the expansion of slavery in the 1600s. Then you suddenly get “science”, pseudo science like phrenology falling all over themselves to justify slavery bc “they’re” not equal. These attitudes are still engrained in our society today. The heartbreaking thing is, it’s unbridled capitalism that leads to slavery, after all the lowest cost for labor is free labor. Capitalism without ethics, or morals (if you want a more religious word) always leads to evil outcomes. It hurts the victims but it also hurts society and the folks that economically benefit from it too. Violence begets violence, the pre civil war south was much more violent than the north, even white on white violence bc when your surrounded by pain suffering, cheapening of human life, that’s what tends to get reflected back.


I am a patriot, I love and have sacrificed for this country and ALL her people. I believe in the aspirational ideals of our constitution and bill of rights. But those things and the American dream, the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness must apply equally fairly and justly to All citizens. We’re not there yet.

cv129 06-03-2020 09:36 PM

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Some CCP propaganda for y’all to chew on...

My younger sister first saw these in the Chinese social media/chat software WeChat days ago, when the protest first started.

Original and photoshopped pictures

Rusty 06-03-2020 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3939092)
Some CCP propaganda for y’all to chew on...

My younger sister first saw these in the Chinese social media/chat software WeChat days ago, when the protest first started.

Original and photoshopped pictures

The Chinese are laughing at us. If you have this kind of protest in China. They would bring in the tanks and run over people. Just look at what happened at Tiananmen Square. The CCP erased it from their history. :shakes head:

cossie1600 06-04-2020 12:31 AM

Just keep mentioning 6-4, 6-4, tank man on wechat, see how fast you get banned. Heck post anything with those key words on the troll's profile. It will get them banned so fast. It works

cv129 06-04-2020 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600 (Post 3939123)
Just keep mentioning 6-4, 6-4, tank man on wechat, see how fast you get banned. Heck post anything with those key words on the troll's profile. It will get them banned so fast. It works

Their social media supposedly links to the person’s real identity. Not sure if it’s possible for normal folks to setup a fake profile. Saying anything anti CCP on that platform is literally suicide.

Rusty 06-04-2020 01:27 AM

Riddle me this Batman.

Here's a thought. With the protests and looting going on. You have a force at work called Darwinism. We're in the middle of a pandemic with this cornavirus. What ever happened with safe distancing of 6 ft. Every news video I seen. You have people standing shoulder to shoulder. The virus hits the black community the hardest. In 2 to 3 weeks. If this virus is nasty as they say. The black community will be in big trouble. Is this the start of the 2nd wave of cornavirus? If in a month. There is no big increase in cases of cornavirus. Would you say the virus is over? Are the protesters and looters bringing on their own demise?

:confused:

cossie1600 06-04-2020 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cv129 (Post 3939124)
Their social media supposedly links to the person’s real identity. Not sure if it’s possible for normal folks to setup a fake profile. Saying anything anti CCP on that platform is literally suicide.

That's why it is easy to shut them down by sending them tank man. Heck, even sending Pooh bear is a death sentence. If they are being dicks, fire away.

Hotrodz 06-04-2020 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3939126)
Riddle me this Batman.



Here's a thought. With the protests and looting going on. You have a force at work called Darwinism. We're in the middle of a pandemic with this cornavirus. What ever happened with safe distancing of 6 ft. Every news video I seen. You have people standing shoulder to shoulder. The virus hits the black community the hardest. In 2 to 3 weeks. If this virus is nasty as they say. The black community will be in big trouble. Is this the start of the 2nd wave of cornavirus? If in a month. There is no big increase in cases of cornavirus. Would you say the virus is over? Are the protesters and looters bringing on their own demise?



:confused:

The virus is culling the herd. Blacks and the old and a few others for good measure. Part of this is good old mother nature at work unless you believe the conspiracy theories. Either way same thing. Also I have heard no information on how the virus is impacting the homeless communities. The should be dying like crazy and don't tell me how they are isolated from the "normal folk because that is BS many of them move in an out of their camps are on the streets in downtown and business areas. If we don't see a spike from Memorial weekend starting next week then we just learned something!

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bunk 06-04-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RumbleFish (Post 3939234)
Your comment only mentioned cnn & msnbc.

I merely asked a question.

Putting words in my mouth is not merely asking a question.

SouthArk370Z 06-04-2020 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RumbleFish (Post 3939234)
Your comment only mentioned cnn & msnbc.

I merely asked a question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RumbleFish (Post 3938987)
Are you saying that Fox News and other right wingers don't do the same, if not worse?

Really?
...

Maybe I read that wrong but, especially with the "Really?" stuck on, it sounded more like an accusation to me.

JARblue 06-04-2020 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RumbleFish (Post 3939234)
Your comment only mentioned cnn & msnbc.

I merely asked a question.

So if he added Fox, that would have been enough for you? How about BBC? What about the Chinese or Russian media outlets? Does he have to mention every single media outlet in existence for the statement not to be questioned?

Zoren 370 06-04-2020 05:45 PM

I heard from a grapevine starting next year we will be celebrating MLK day and GF day!

I have high respect for the belief and principles of MLK.....but

whats actually the true life story of GF? Who is he as a person to society?

I denounce the way he was treated and allegedly died at the hands of the unlawful police officers.

Im denouncing the act....period

But to idolize and emulate GF....God forgive us of our transgression and the manner how we adore evil!

Politicians even use GF to get popular votes of people to keep them in power.
This is sickening to my stomach!

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-up...or-coronavirus

Zoren 370 06-04-2020 05:52 PM

Where are the nurses, doctors, paramedics who died saving lives because of the Covid19.

But no GF lived a better life and died heroically than these people.. he deserves the all the credit in society. Yes people that is what have we become!

GF life matters the most!

Haters of good lovers of evil!

ZontheRocks 06-04-2020 07:12 PM

Nobody said GEORGE FLOYD died heroically.

The man died while crying out for his late-mother.

Your lack of empathy hurts my soul.


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