He's smart in some ways, and a total idiot in other ways. No common sense. And his money makes him even worse. :shakes head:

that's EXACTLY what that means lol he did something right, or something I didn't think of and do, and got rich doing it.

China is opening up Wuhan. The people there are pissed at the gov't for not telling the truth on the number of dead. Everything China is trying to do, is blowing up in their face.

Right place, right time, said the right thing.

Gordon Chang is a smart man about China. :tup:

Lot of people will die and be hurt from this, physically and mentally. I just hope one of the result is the overthrowing of the community party.

Most everyone now is calling it "The CCP Virus". Because they screwed up big time. :mad:

Yup, wuhan virus, Ccp virus, whatever they want to say. Those mofos have it coming. They are now starting to run out of food (they are food importers) and they are running out of cash (usd). We should call it the ccp or Chinese virus just to piss them off, they can’t take any criticism remember. They also want to play the savior role as they are now selling half *** masks and safety equipment.

I was pondering this same thought this morning. While the overthrow of the CCP would be great, do you think that there is anyone in that country capable of leading a democratic China? The Chinese people have lived under the CCP for over 70 years, most of the Nationalist Chinese fled to Taiwan, and those that didn't, were exterminated by Mao. Like cossie said, they don't have enough food and their 'real industry' is stealing other country's IP and counterfeiting it.

I searched for "community party" and the best I can tell, you meant "Communist Party." If you meant "community party", please ignore the following.

To what benefit? A Russian revolution will only lead to many more deaths and adversely affect the rest of the World (they may import a lot of stuff but they also export a lot).

It will not be a peaceful revolution - the nature of revolution is violent. People will die and the survivors will be scared. Farms and supply chains will be disrupted. People will go hungry. Scared hungry people with nukes are dangerous people.

The cure may be worse than the disease.

Edit: The same goes for China.

Down with The Community Party!! :gtfo2:

About every 400 years. China goes through a ruling party change. Most of the changes are cause by food shortages. It's been about 400 years since the last one. And they are having food shortages now. Pork is big in their diet. Last year they had to kill about 90% of their pigs due to the African swine flu. This year, they are killing their chickens and ducks over a bird flu. Now they have a locust swam on their boarder that came from Africa. Because of this virus and wet weather. They haven't started to plant their spring crops yet. Add the Hong Kong protests, this virus. Plus the people who lost family because of this virus. The CCP is under a lot of pressure. The CCP is close to a tipping point.

Careful what you wish for.

China is a loathsome beast, but still better kept under control by one strong leadership than civil war and general chaos. Too many arms, including nuclear, to even conceive of that. Those in the hands of warlords or groups willing to sell to the highest bidder, would be 1000 x worse than a virus we just need to sit out!!!

That is just the stability argument. Then, there is the economic one. Too much of the world relies on China - likely too much, but we've leveraged our whole standard of living on their backs for decades. What would amount to a sudden and lengthy disruption of global supply chains would create a much deeper and longer recession than this bug will.

Not sure what you would wish in the place of the Chinese flavour of communism. Democracy ain't going to happen there just like it failed in Russia, Iraq and Afghanistan. It has to be understood and wanted by the people, and supported by free and credible press. But whatever it might be, if the current system in China toppled, it would take decades to sort out and I doubt that the region, perhaps the world, would survive it.

China has the largest army in the world, and evidence is that they are not afraid to use it against their own. Doubting that any small amount of discontent or uprising is going to lead to a change in regime there.

I was at Home Depot today to pick up a new toilet fill valve that I screwed up installing. There was a lady in front of me with an oxygen concentrator on...:wtf2:
Why on earth would you be out, if you had to rely on that to survive?:gtfo2:

That's why we are doomed as a society, too many functional idiots walking around.:mad::mad:

I saw the same thing a week or so ago... two different ladies, both on walkers and with their air tanks in tow... My only guess is that they must not have anyone that would/could help them with their shopping.

Do the supermarkets in your area offer delivery? Maybe that word needs to be spread by the media, instead of the hysteria. :ugh2:

I am not sure about delivery, but they all have online ordering with curbside pick up now

We also have to consider that one of the main reasons the Nationalists were overthrown in China was because they were considered incredibly corrupt. To Rusty's point, maybe it's getting to where some of them would consider revolution - they can see the freedoms in democratic countries, and the younger people do seem to want them. But you'd need a combination of a charismatic leader or leaders, a failure to react swiftly on the part of the Chinese government, and a willingness to alter 70 years of habit on the part of the older generations.

Don't get me wrong, they may try to make the change, but even in our country we're not eager to make simple changes that might help a large number of people (for example, limiting the influence of lobbyists).

Followed closely behind limiting lobbyists, should be term limits. 6 years total for both House & Senate, no exceptions. :gtfo2:

Personally, i'm in favor of taking ALL them worthless pukes out behind the barn and letting a squad of Marine drill instructors PT their asses until they die....:shakes head:








Sorry, that's a topic for another thread.... :icon14:

It's not going to turn into our system overnight, there will likely be another dictator, but hopefully we have one that is less evil than the current regime that is trying to take over the world and impose world order, genocide and other evil things. One thing you can't take away from the Chinese people is food, there will be riots if there is a food shortage.

Blame Apple for spell check

Yup, spot on. Part of their strategy is always blame the strawman, we are it right now. Why do you think they are pushing the agenda that we implanted the virus in Wuhan?

Sorry you are totally falling into their trap. You can think of their troops like their cheap manufacturing goods. They might have a lot of quantity, but not a lot of quality. Don't be a cuckold like the Canadian doctor on the WHO. The US marched into the South China Sea, fired a couple missiles, didn't get a response. They literally had to post it on Twitter to let everyone know.

Also the Chinese army is not the same as the ones from the past, their actual battle readiness is really not that high. You know what they are known for, karaoke.....

Lastly, if you think the Chinese army is strong. They would have invaded Taiwan years ago, they have been talking about it for 20 years. What have they done? Nothing. They did try to infiltrate their government by inserting these pro CCP politicians, lucky the HK people exposed them and they completely got destroyed. To make matters worse, the whole virus exposed them again.

As much as I hate Trump and the republican parties, they did completely expose the Chinese government. We would never get that with Biden, they will continue to kiss up to them in order to make money and be happy. I really hope more countries will wake up after this. I think Boris is learning his lesson, Italy too. Let's see if the Canadians and Australians will grow some back bones or will they continue to lick the Chinese money, of course that money is drying up soon.


200 years ago the west took over China with Opium, now China is returning the favor with cheap goods and their consumer buying power. History repeats itself, that's why I force my son to watch history documentaries because it keeps happening.

In my area. There is a 7 day back log to order food at some markets.

The state of Pa. is locking down the whole state, not some counties as before.

We are making changes in the store. Starting tomorrow. We will limit the number of people in the store at one time. Closing down garden. One way in. One way out. Walmart is making all of their aisles one way.

My county has 14 cases and 1 death. The death was in a nursing home about 1.5 miles from work. So now everyone at work is on pins and needles.

Just for the record, we've been paying the price for over a year since Canadian police arrested the CFO of Huawei (and daughter of its founder) on America's extradition request (which you haven't followed up on, and a certain orange leader has turned from a legal matter into a political prize). Meanwhile, our farmers, forestry and manufacturing sectors have taken a hit in retaliation, and several Canadians have been arrested in China for dubious reasons immediately thereafter.

Would prefer if America grew a spine, rather than lecturing the rest of the world on how to conduct its affairs.

Perhaps this will make it real enough for those still doubting the severity, to take notice.

Official projections yesterday had between 100,000 and 240,000 US deaths to the virus.

Until this map is a uniform shade of dark yellow, the lockdown period really has not begun.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020...eLarge-v15.png

Look at Hong Kong and the protests. The CCP was scared to death over that. They knew they were on thin ice. They back down a little to try and get a handle on things. But the people are still protesting. The CCP wants Taiwan in the worse way. The CCP won't make a move until they think their military is on equal footing with us. The problem with their military is that it's a drafted service. It's not a professional military. 2 year hitch. They have the numbers, but not the training.

That's right, the economy is more important. I hope you enjoy the massive rise in the cost of housing and healthcare for the local Canadians.

I guess we will see more Chinese flags rolling down the streets of Canada.

No. If your gov't had a set of balls and did the right thing. We would have had her. Your spineless leader doesn't have the balls to do anything. He bowes to anyone.

:wtf2:

Our farmers were hurt initially by the trade war too, now they are going to make out like a bandit. The papers in Asia were roasting the Xi JP the deal he signed. Australia and Canada don't have the balls to stand up and challenge them. Even at this point, the universities in Australia are bending over backward for them. It's quite sad given how nice Australia is.

Dude, she's been sitting in house arrest in Vancouver for the last year waiting for your justice department to initiate extradition proceedings. It finally started in late January but is still not dealt with.

Meanwhile, several Canadians are on death row in China (in retaliation), and our exports to them have all but dried up. Our dollar is in the crapper in part due to this.

It would have been hugely in Canada's economic interest to simply let her go and get trade moving again, but no, we held her because our "friend" to the south asked us to. We stuck by the fact that we are a nation of laws and this was a legal, not political issue. Then Orange 47 started spouting off about the possibility of using her as a political pawn in his self-inflicted trade war, making us look like the US's henchman. Yet we still held her, mainly because completing the extradition would be a problem for the US economically.

You are welcome!

EDIT: And by the way, our leader doesn't as much "bow" to everyone, as he apologizes to everyone. No idea WTF is with that. I dunno, I didn't vote for him. But back on topic, I have to admit that he's been very good in the last weeks of this crisis. It has to be testing for anyone at the top.

She won’t need paid supporters, you can hold up signs at her next meeting

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...zhou-1.5434613

Maybe you should spend more time reading my post and less time looking up stupid photos on the internet.

Do you remember what happened during the Korean war? The US chased the NK Army up to the Chinese border, thinking that the Chinese wouldnt react. Well, they did. Then the US Commanders dismissed the Chinese as simple farmers with rag tag equipment. Well, they sure did give the US Military a run for their money. Yes it was primarily due to their overwhelming numbers, but today, the PLA is fast modernizing their forces. And you cannot discount their indoctrinated mentality (See Japan, Germany in WW2, even your modern Islamic Terrorists)

The reason China isnt going all out invading countries is not because they dont have the strength, but for geo political consequences. Same reason why we dont just take the Spratly Islands from them

China finds it more prudent to "loan to own" where possible, than to invade. Example, many African nations with resources. The red dragon is more than happy to build roads and ports, paying off politicians and keeping governments from being thrown out. Then, the other shoe drops and they import Chinese labour instead of employing locals. By the time officials in those countries have had enough, Xi hands them a bill and says to "pay up or shut up".

Trinidad & Tobago recently ran into this. Argentina is next.

They are wealthy, smart, and very good at playing the long game. That's what makes them so dangerous.

If you need 5x or 10x the casualty to match an opponent, is that really a win? To the CCP, human lives are worthless. They had no problem sacrificing them in war and/or anything to further expand their agenda (Cultural Revolution, the Great Famine). Things have changed since war times, most families have 1 or 2 child, not 5-10. You think the parents will just let their only kid sacrifice themselves? The Chinese culture is not the same as American culture.

The CCP is a classic bully, they will attack people who are weaker than they are. As soon as they see someone more powerful, they back off. As I said, don't let what you see on the surface fool you. They have a lot of things going on underneath and you have to understand their culture to see how they behave.

China's investment into WHO is working out great, look at Tedros and the Canadian cuckold making all the excuses for them. You are right that they are using the debt strategy to trap Africa and they are definitely succeeding. This is why I compare their money to Opium. You take it at your own risk. Luckily I think some of the "investments" are blowing up in their face, aka Venezuela. If you are going to talk about debt, you can't forget about their own debt....

FYI, Huawei does everything in their power to steal corporate secrets. Where I work, we threw them out. They were caught red handed.

They steal stuff and make it their own? Really? :gtfo2:

I'm not supporting them, or wanting to let the lady go.
I'd just wish that the extradition would get over with. And pointing out that we have taken a stand to side with law and order and our friends to the south (despite assertions from time to time that we don't).

To me, the actions taken by the Xi regime in support of the company prove the very connection that the company's founder so vehemently denies.

I only hope that our nation has the sense to block them out of the 5G build here, although several of our carriers here have signed expressions of interest to proceed with Huawei. We have a more unique situation than you down there - a larger land mass to cover (and 5G infrastructure is expensive from what I understand - much more cells than 4G / LTE), but 1/10 the population to pay for it. I think that China sees this as their way to buy off our nation in a manner not that dissimilar to their approach in sub-Saharan Africa.