Yea, EVERYONE knows it started with some dude eating a bat. :yum:

I have voluntarily given up eating bat products as a result. :mad: Who knew???

.....from a market less than 20 miles from a virus center containing the virus.

:wtf2:

Not to be argumentative, but do you really believe anything coming out of China, given the level of propaganda that the CCP puts out? The Chinese social media is heavily censored, what you might have seen may or may not have been manipulated.

The facts say otherwise. Wuhan is the home of a Level 4 Bioweapons facility. SARS, MERS and now this virus all originated in Wuhan during their specific start times. Isn't it the least bit odd that neither SARS or MERS has reappeared, yet now we have another coronavirus from the same family as those two, appearing? Occam's Razor applies; the most obvious solution is the correct one.

Some of you guys are reaching. We don't have any facts, just speculation. We will never know the truth of what happened. The Dr's that could tell us some information are dead.
Do I trust the Chinese government, Heck NO!!!!

do I trust what comes out of the ccp? state owned media is easily identified. just... don't read it. talk to actual chinese people. why do people act as if it's impossible to know what's going on in china? tens of thousands of people? maybe more? go there on business every year. there are millions of chinese people scattered across dozens of social media sites, several of which are well beyond the control of China. just literally ask them. follow chinese people on twitter if you like. why would you choose these obscure conspiratorial sources over just asking chinese people? if fox news told you your neighbour's home was burning down, and your neighbour pointed to it and said 'uhhh no, it isn't', would you call him a liar? :confused:

Wuhan is a manufacturing centre with over 10 million people. it's the home of every kind of facility.

the idea that 'occam's razor' suggests that tens of millions of people are lying to cover up the chinese government's attempt to kill their own people and destroy their own economy is stretching the terms involved well past their breaking point.

oh, and neither 'classic' SARS nor MERS originated in Wuhan. instead of reading these wild conspiracy theories, you could just spend 15 minutes on google.

"Do I trust ANY GOVERNMENT, heck no!!!"

Unfortunately Spooler, you are correct, we will never know for sure what happened in Wuhan. Through the people I know and trust, I've been paying attention to this since late November, and what they know is definitely not being reported in MSM. The little that has escaped has been rapidly 'lost' or buried. What is more frightening to see is that many people in the US so willingly gave up their liberty for 'security'. :ugh2:

i look at it like this. it sucks. period.

however, biolab with all these viruses is right by ground zero. little too convenient.

our market is crashing severely. china took a smaller market hit and is rebounding. also little odd.

virus doesnt act like normal viruses and is contagious very early compared to other viruses.

attacks the weak.

if it walks and quacks like a duck....lol

Sorry, but you are incorrect and my sources are much better than Google. :tiphat:

The virus is Mother Nature at her finest. Wet Markets are all over the world. Until countries get them under control Mother Nature will continue to get rid of her fleas.

soooooo get rid of china? lol

Why not? Most of this crap comes from them.

SARS, MERS, bird flu, etc...

you aint wrong.

the last 'bird flu' outbreak happened in Minnesota. MERS happened in Saudi Arabia... the ME literally stands for 'middle east'.

:confused::confused::confused:

incorrect? i've listed easily verifiable, publicly known facts.

what the **** is going on in this thread? are you guys going to argue about whether the 370z has an inline four next? when someone says 'uhhhh just go look under the hood maybe?' are you all going to say INCORRECT!

woah woah woah.......if they try to put a 4 cyl in the Z we know nissan is dead.

false news.

:bowrofl:

cases yes.

origin is what we were speaking to.

nobody knows what the origins of these things is tho. in the case of bird flu, the earliest known case was in Scotland.

MERS 'originated' as in, the first known case was identified, in Saudi Arabia.

So you're saying the Chinese and the sand thieves are in cahoots.

Makes sense.

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There is a bird flu outbreak happening right now in China. China has started to kill it's chickens again. But this is being over shadowed by this other virus. Oh..... don't forget that China had to kill 3/4 of it's pigs last year due to the African swine flu.

racist!!!!!

We're all just Some-Guy-On-The-Intertubes. I see a lot of claims but no facts to back them up. How about some links to reliable sources?

because they're being paid to be silent :stirthepot:

I have 25,000 contacts on LinkedIn. And I have a lot of contacts in China. Everytime I ask any of them on how they are doing with the virus. No more replies from them. Can ask them about anything else. I get replies back. Soon as I ask about the virus. That's it. No more.

Tell that to the Chinese. They're the one's that named it I believe. :icon14:

Ever hear of the Chinese 50 cent army? They are a bunch of trolls that get paid 50 cent for every post they make that shows China in a good light. :icon14:

That's what the people in HK are fighting for. The US needs to step in and help them. The Chinese government is now trying to blame this virus on the US, I am waiting for Trump to say f you guys and sanction them.

One day one of their spokesman is on twitter blaming America, the next day another spokesman came out and said it is not possible for America to pull the supply chain out of China. They are something.

My nanny is from China, she has families over there. There are definitely people that have died, the question is how many. She also noticed how her family stopped talking about the virus in Feb.

They just reported lots of loss subscribers on their cell phone providers and China is very strict about cell phones on how many you can have and how you need it. You can take some discounts off those numbers and see what the true death rate is.

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My dad (in Hong Kong) echos your experience.

During her college senior year in USA, my younger sister had a BF that's from mainland China. Along the way, gotten to know many mid 20's from mainland China. Experience is similar....they can hehe haha with you, talk about anything, but as soon as you try to start a discussion that even probe into the propaganda of the Chinese Government, their politics, freedom, they would shut my sister down, or something along the line of "there's nothing wrong with xxxx".

No Chinese Nationals would risk saying anything on FB, certainly not with any information that can link back to his/her real identity. FB is prohibited in China anyway, one actually has to hack his/her way out.

Social media in China is monitored by its government.

Here's the article from Bloomberg on the 21 million cell phones.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...as-virus-bites

I kinda figured this was happening. That is why I said we just don't know and may never know exactly what happened.

Something is up, Yes. Does that mean that many people died, Noop.

everyone knows the chinese government monitors social media. i'm certainly not suggesting they have full freedom of expression.

i'm saying, hundreds of millions of people aren't going to lie about their own government actively trying to exterminate them. 21 million corpses isn't going to fly under the radar.

and nobody uses FB dude.

On a positive note, Pornhub is now free premium services for everyone if you swear to stay inside and quarantine. :tup:

What an ice breaker! :rofl2:

George Soros does the same thing with Liberals/Democrats.

Chinese governments actively monitor, manipulate, delete contents of citizens' social media. They arrest citizens for speaking about the conditions on covid19. Their social media accounts are linked to citizens real identity. No hiding behind the keyboard for most citizens.

I did not argue about the 21M nor the origin of the virus (purposeful leak, accidental leak, someone ate something, etc).

And, few with computer skills do get around China's firewall to setup FB accounts. But those won't be easily identified as belonging to a Chinese that lives within China.

Pornhub “premium”? LOL!! That’s like ordering a Pinto GT. 🙄

Mother do you think they’ll try to break my balls?

Ohhh... Mother should I build a wall...

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