Nissan 370Z Forum  

Building a Gaming Computer [HELP]

Okay, so, I'm a computer scientist, in the stand point that I program, I'm not exactly a hardware buff. I can solder, and assemble computer hardware, but I'm at an

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > General > The Lounge (Off Topic)

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-12-2009, 03:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Equinox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Beaumont, TX
Posts: 685
Drives: 06 Porsche Carrera S
Rep Power: 11
Equinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant future
Default Building a Gaming Computer [HELP]

Okay, so, I'm a computer scientist, in the stand point that I program, I'm not exactly a hardware buff. I can solder, and assemble computer hardware, but I'm at an impass when it comes to me building a new gaming computer. I find the hardest thing about building a new gaming computer, is selecting the hardware, I need help.

Okay, Here's the layout - Gaming computer to run the latest games, ie, Modern Warfare 2, Unreal Tournament, Fall out 3, and all the other benchmark games, built to run at 1920 x 1200 resolution.

Budget: I'd like to build a computer for 1500 or less, not including monitor, or peripherals, unless that addition that busts the budget, is a must have, like it cooks oven baked cookies for you. PC EZ Bake oven

I haven't built a computer in 6 years, so I'm way out of the game with new technology, and even worse, the computer world is going through a change (FSB speeds switching to Interlink path tech measured in G/Ts, and so on)

I thought I had it all figured out, read a bunch of reviews on best processor for price, find a matching motherboard chipset that performs well, maintain a high FSB speed to match super fast RAM, then find the best single video card for your money that runs on PCI-E x 16. I ended up with

Build List:
CPU: Intel i7 920, 2.66GHz, 4.8 G/Ts Bus speed $269.99
RAM: 6GB
Corsair Dominator 1600MHz (3 x 2GB)
$204.98 (also has 20$ mail in rebate)
PSU: Corsair 750W $109.99
MOBO: Asus Rampage II Extreme $364.00
GPU: Sapphire Radeon 5850 1GB $318.00
HD: WD Velociraptor 150GB 10k rpm $149.99
Heatsink: Noctua NH-D14 Ultra Silent CPU Cooler $90.00

total: $1507.00

Monitor: Samsung 23" LED Monitor $318.00


What do you think?
__________________
Check out my Albums
'13 Subaru WRX STi | '06 Porsche 911 Carrera S (SOLD) | '96 Mazda RX-7 6.0L V8 RHD (SOLD) | '09 Nissan Nismo #0058 (SOLD)

Last edited by Equinox; 12-13-2009 at 03:46 AM.
Equinox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 03:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
OG Priesthood
 
kdo2milger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: SC
Posts: 17,849
Drives: NISMO T
Rep Power: 52
kdo2milger has a reputation beyond reputekdo2milger has a reputation beyond reputekdo2milger has a reputation beyond reputekdo2milger has a reputation beyond reputekdo2milger has a reputation beyond reputekdo2milger has a reputation beyond reputekdo2milger has a reputation beyond reputekdo2milger has a reputation beyond reputekdo2milger has a reputation beyond reputekdo2milger has a reputation beyond reputekdo2milger has a reputation beyond repute
Default

have you tried toms hardware website?

its a good place to read decent reviews of the latest hardware

Tom's Hardware: Hardware News, Tests and Reviews

also price shop Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more! for your components

ive always built my own machines, but ive always used amd, so i couldnt really help you too much on an intel machine...
__________________
kdo2milger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 03:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
vipor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ]
Age: 35
Posts: 13,531
Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB
Rep Power: 41
vipor has a reputation beyond reputevipor has a reputation beyond reputevipor has a reputation beyond reputevipor has a reputation beyond reputevipor has a reputation beyond reputevipor has a reputation beyond reputevipor has a reputation beyond reputevipor has a reputation beyond reputevipor has a reputation beyond reputevipor has a reputation beyond reputevipor has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I've built a few quad core 4+gb machines recently with 24" lcds, and all peripherals w/o going cheap on anything. i'm talkin 80$ keyboards and 60$ mice. >100$ cases and 200$ psupplies. a 1500$ bugdet is easy to make. i'm about to run an errand but when i get back i'll look at some stuff for you.
__________________

2009 NISMO # 0193 | QAB | Albums! | 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq
Oil Cooler (DIY) | Custom Headlights | GTSPEC Braces | F.I. Long Tube Headers
vipor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 03:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Irving, TX
Posts: 268
Drives: 97 Civic Ex Coupe
Rep Power: 9
alvinmathew88 will become famous soon enough
Default

As you know there is no such thing as future-proofing for computers, so try and get the latest stuff, and sell parts before they become obsolete. My 2 cents.

My recommendations:

Processor - i7 (199 @ microcenter)
RAM - Corsair/OCZ 3gb of ram (unless your going 64-bit) then go 6gb (even then, its overkill), speed is dependent upon MOBO & what you want to do for overclocking
Power Supply - seasonic/ corsair power supply (preferably modular for ease)
Motherboard - Gigabyte, MSI, or DFI lanparty Mobo
Graphics Card - ATI 5850 or 5950
HDD - 10k raptor drive as your main, Seagate 7200 rpm hdd any size as your secondary, or if your feeling expensive SSD
OS - XP or Windows 7 (avoid vista) or OS X (technically illegal)
Monitor - avoid TN panel, if you want quality.



Newegg is the best place to get the parts or you can shop around. I didnt check the price, but i just gave your parts you should try and use! If you have more questions ask. I build computers, as a hobby, for elderly, regular household users, and gamers!
alvinmathew88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 04:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
ChrisSlicks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: North East
Posts: 6,203
Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6
Rep Power: 646
ChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond reputeChrisSlicks has a reputation beyond repute
Default

You can definitely save some money on a gaming rig by using the previous generation CPU, and there really aren't any games that are truely multi-core enabled yet (or CPU bottle-necked). But from the other side of things, by purchasing the new technology now you will save the hassle of upgrading the motherboard and CPU again in 18 months when the games start to catch up. Quad-core definitely helps out if you are doing other things like video editing, video encoding.
ChrisSlicks is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 04:08 PM   #6 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Central FL
Posts: 199
Drives: 2009 370Z Sport
Rep Power: 9
Division is on a distinguished road
Default

My theory for my last 2 rigs has been buy 1 rev old. Why pay the "tax" on the premium hardware? The money I've saved by buying the 'former top of the line' gear has allowed me to upgrade more frequently - keeping up. Two different theories, but after building two over priced PC's, this approach seems to work better for me.

Some advice- attempt to buy all your stuff from the same site - what you save by shopping around could end up being eaten by shipping and handling fees. Newegg is always my first recommendation- good prices, and more importantly, a solid reputation.
Division is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 04:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Equinox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Beaumont, TX
Posts: 685
Drives: 06 Porsche Carrera S
Rep Power: 11
Equinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant future
Default

this is some good advice guys - and the shopping aroudn part that I'm doing, I always make sure they have free shipping, so that doesn't hurt me.

As far as Intel and not AMD. I've always been an AMD guy, but AMD also has been keeping up and surpassing, somethings, Intel, but right now, the new FSB interconnect technology is my must have. I've never had a compy with higher than 333 FSB speeds, and I reallly wanna try a 1600MHz FSB compy.

I'm actually gonna have a small (30GB) SSD for the operating system to work on, and a larger 750GB HD 7200 rpm on the side, or 300GB 10k rpm


I plan to do light overclocking to get the 2.6GHz proc up to the 3.X+ range.

A lot of my review serches do actually end up on Tomshardware.com, I used to actually used Hard OCP as my review site ever since my first build, probably back in '98

UPDATE: I threw some more info on the first post as I decide on what I want. I'm using it as a working note pad. I think my hardest decision will come down to GPU and MOBO. I've always loved NVidia, and every review I've read seems to be swayed with bias, like only Radeon, or only NVIDIA.

EVGA nVidia GeForce 275 Superclocked – 896MB GDDR3, PCI Express 2.0 seems like an option for around 300

Read more: http://www.brighthub.com/computing/h...#ixzz0ZVugrOVc
__________________
Check out my Albums
'13 Subaru WRX STi | '06 Porsche 911 Carrera S (SOLD) | '96 Mazda RX-7 6.0L V8 RHD (SOLD) | '09 Nissan Nismo #0058 (SOLD)

Last edited by Equinox; 12-12-2009 at 04:51 PM.
Equinox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 04:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Central FL
Posts: 199
Drives: 2009 370Z Sport
Rep Power: 9
Division is on a distinguished road
Default

Since your in CS, you'll appreciate this article Agner`s CPU blog - Stop the instruction set war Some more "food for thought" on the Intel vs AMD war. (warning: Heavy geek content)

The new Western Digital Black drives have been getting some good press lately. I ordered two 1TB drives to replace some aging 500gig drives in my home server. SSD's haven't proven themselves to me yet, still nervous on the read write issues. Speed is one thing, but I'd rather have reliability.
Division is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 04:57 PM   #9 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Equinox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Beaumont, TX
Posts: 685
Drives: 06 Porsche Carrera S
Rep Power: 11
Equinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant futureEquinox has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Division View Post
Since your in CS, you'll appreciate this article Agner`s CPU blog - Stop the instruction set war Some more "food for thought" on the Intel vs AMD war. (warning: Heavy geek content)

The new Western Digital Black drives have been getting some good press lately. I ordered two 1TB drives to replace some aging 500gig drives in my home server. SSD's haven't proven themselves to me yet, still nervous on the read write issues. Speed is one thing, but I'd rather have reliability.
the read write issues have supposedly been solved with Windows 7's support of the TRIM firmware, and a lot of existed SSD's just update their firmware to have TRIM fix their issues. *goes and reads the geek article, lol*
__________________
Check out my Albums
'13 Subaru WRX STi | '06 Porsche 911 Carrera S (SOLD) | '96 Mazda RX-7 6.0L V8 RHD (SOLD) | '09 Nissan Nismo #0058 (SOLD)
Equinox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 07:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
DIGItonium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3,772
Drives: 09 Z34-TT 6MT
Rep Power: 35
DIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Here's core components of the box I built over a month ago:
CPU: Core i5 750 ($198)
MB: MSI P55M-GD45 ($110)
MEM: 4x2GB G.SKILL DDR3 1333MHz (8GB total for $140)
VID: ATI HD5850 ($254... tee hee, ordered before prices went up)
PSU: Corsair HX650 ($120)
SSD: Intel X25M 80GB GEN2 ($280)

For gaming, I have my computer hooked up to a 1080P HDTV. All of my games run at max settings at 1920x1080. I leave out anti-aliasing since I sit far from the TV. Attached is photo without the graphics card in place.
__________________
http://www.the370z.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=950&dateline=13162988  42

Last edited by DIGItonium; 07-06-2010 at 07:03 PM.
DIGItonium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 07:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
SmoothZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Arrakis
Posts: 7,953
Drives: giant sandworm
Rep Power: 29
SmoothZ has a reputation beyond reputeSmoothZ has a reputation beyond reputeSmoothZ has a reputation beyond reputeSmoothZ has a reputation beyond reputeSmoothZ has a reputation beyond reputeSmoothZ has a reputation beyond reputeSmoothZ has a reputation beyond reputeSmoothZ has a reputation beyond reputeSmoothZ has a reputation beyond reputeSmoothZ has a reputation beyond reputeSmoothZ has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Don't get the GeForce card from PNY. They have crappy heat issues (I should know).
__________________
"Once you go Asian, you never go Caucasian."

"I talk to myself, and when I do that, I know I'm talking to an intelligent person."
SmoothZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 07:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
DIGItonium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3,772
Drives: 09 Z34-TT 6MT
Rep Power: 35
DIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond reputeDIGItonium has a reputation beyond repute
Default

In regards to ATI vs. nVidia, new product offerings from ATI made me switch from nVidia. The HD 5850 is a bargain of a card, and it was cheaper than my $300 budget for a gaming video card. The only gripe I have with ATI is the Catalyst Control Center, but I don't notice any issues with the SSD haha.

Seriously, though... I switched back and forth looking for performance bargains as well as power efficiency.

ATI 9700Pro -> GeForce 256 -> X800XL ->X1800GTO2 -> 8800GT G92 -> 8800GTS G92 -> HD 5850... that's everything I've owned since 2000.
__________________
http://www.the370z.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=950&dateline=13162988  42
DIGItonium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 09:25 PM   #13 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Irving, TX
Posts: 268
Drives: 97 Civic Ex Coupe
Rep Power: 9
alvinmathew88 will become famous soon enough
Default

Damn DIG, you just went old school on me, 9700 pro, that was a beast of a card at the time! When ATI > Nvidia! Put ATI on the map!
alvinmathew88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 09:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
theDreamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 30,849
Drives: 370z
Rep Power: 832
theDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Equinox, visit this website ([H]ard|Forum - Powered by vBulletin), make an account and post under the section called: General Hardware
Very helpful guide: Building or Upgrading a Computer (The Detailed [H] Guide) - [H]ard|Forum

I am going to go over your first post really quick, but the above are some quick tips.

Quick edit: Will be back in a few minutes, going to use Newegg to build your 1500USD computer.
__________________
theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN
theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY
Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram
theDreamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2009, 09:57 PM   #15 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
theDreamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 30,849
Drives: 370z
Rep Power: 832
theDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond reputetheDreamer has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Here we go:

CPU - 288.99: Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield
GPU - 259.99: EVGA GTX 275
MB - 300: Anything ASUS (unless you plan to do SLi stick with ASUS)
SSD - 299.99: Intel X25 (80GB)
HDD - 199.99: 2TB (Western Digital)
PSU - 109.99: Your choice is good (love corsair PSU), make sure you get a modular one, can easily keep case clutter down.
Memory - 149.99: G.SKILL 6GB, I have a spot for G.Skill because they make some of the best (real priced) memory. If you plan to go extreme on your OC then you need the Corsair, but if you just plan to hit 3.0 to 3.2 the G.Skill can do perfectly fine.
Heatsink (also buy thermal compound, Arctic Silver 5, costs about 9 bucks) -Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120
Total - I am around 1650 currently.

Many of these items will have discounts or mail in rebates which will help lower the cost. Also, you can buy a MB for less than 300 and it be great, I put 300 as a max you should pay. The SSD is also up in the air, that is one of the best SSDs on the market currently and you could buy a slightly smaller one from Intel if you just plan to run the OS and some programs. Terabyte hard drives are super cheap right now, I threw up the 2TB as it is the largest currently and finally dropped below the price point I would pay for it. You can get 1TB or even 1.5TB, from western digital, for sub 150USD or even sub 100USD if you find a good sale.

You will also need a case, unless you have an older one. Buying a new case, look for one with 120mm fans, and even then think about upgrading them down the road as it can make even the fastest machines run much quieter.

A few questions about the hard drives:
~Do you plan to just run the OS on the SSD or also programs?
~Do you do photo editing or video editing that you need a quick secondary drive?

The EVGA 275 will be a cheaper option, but if you go this route then do not buy the OC or Superclocked version, you can do that all on your own. EVGA has a program they bundle (or you can download for free) which does the OC and is easy to use. Also with EVGA do not forget to register the card right after you install it, you get lifetime support and a discount on upgrading if you upgrade within X amount of time.

Any other questions let me know, but it all comes down to what you plan on doing this besides just gaming also.
__________________
theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN
theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY
Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram
theDreamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fontana Nissan Racing -- Building a Time Attack Car Scott@FontanaNissan Nissanraceshop.com - Supporting Dealer 4 03-08-2010 02:38 PM
Trip Computer- MPG Estimate vs. Actual davidyan Nissan 370Z General Discussions 9 07-11-2009 12:31 PM
Break in miles? Reset battery,computer? help AceSpade77 Nissan 370Z General Discussions 2 04-26-2009 02:07 AM
Places to building speakers labskaus Audio & Video 6 03-09-2009 06:47 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:52 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2