Carlos Ghosn Steppin' Down!!

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-23-2017, 08:03 AM

Carlos Ghosn stepping down as Nissan CEO

Added article.

http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/news...as-nissan-ceo/

I think this will be a blessing for the Z

njobe89 · 02-23-2017, 08:49 AM

unless the new guy decides to end it lol

Array · 02-23-2017, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by njobe89

unless the new guy decides to end it lol

New guy is a Japanese national, Looking good

Interesting read Thanks OP

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-23-2017, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Array

New guy is a Japanese national, Looking good

Interesting read Thanks OP

My thoughts EXACTLY!!* Whose gonna love a Z more? The French guy or the Japanese guy?
I see high funding for the Z when it goes into production. I wouldn't be surprised this move delays the Z a Lil longer. For the better though.

Ghosen. Showed no love to enthusiasts. The Z, GTR sentra n Juke needa get done right if they gonna carry a Nismo name.

Array · 02-23-2017, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

My thoughts EXACTLY!!* Whose gonna love a Z more? The French guy or the Japanese guy?
I see high funding for the Z when it goes into production. I wouldn't be surprised this move delays the Z a Lil longer. For the better though.

Ghosen. Showed no love to enthusiasts. The Z, GTR sentra n Juke needa get done right if they gonna carry a Nismo name.

I believe it was part of his "Cost cutting" plan, the Z/GTR may have low margin numbers but now that he has indeed gotten Nissan out of the rut, hopefully this can progress.

It also (From the sounds of the article) that he is still invested in the Renault/Mitsu combination, more so than Nissan, as if hes letting the company kind of go off on its own again

JARblue · 02-23-2017, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The French guy or the Japanese guy?

I'm pretty sure Ghosn is Brazilian, not French.

Nithmo · 02-23-2017, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

My thoughts EXACTLY!!* Whose gonna love a Z more? The French guy or the Japanese guy?
I see high funding for the Z when it goes into production. I wouldn't be surprised this move delays the Z a Lil longer. For the better though.

Ghosen. Showed no love to enthusiasts. The Z, GTR sentra n Juke needa get done right if they gonna carry a Nismo name.

What's wrong with the GTR? Low production number cars have long lives in the car selling world. You can't compare it to the Corvette either. That is anything but a low volume selling car. You can't really expect Nissan to put out a new halo car every 5 years. There was a reason Nissan was in deep financial woes prior to the arrival of Ghosn. At least they kept it competitive and gave it tweaks over the years, culminating in one hella expensive and fast Nismo GTR.

Sure, Porsche can do it. But they're largely an SUV brand these days and sports cars were their thing since day 1. They were never really setup to be a high volume selling company. Plus, have you seen the exorbitant prices they charge for anything related to their cars? Nissan was always a DD car brand with sprinklings of sports cars.

kenchan · 02-23-2017, 06:23 PM

considering Ghosen brought us the G35C which i luved im sorry to hear dis.

but at least da new guy looks EXACTLY THE SAME in a black suit. no one'll be able to tell a difference.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-24-2017, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Nithmo

What's wrong with the GTR? Low production number cars have long lives in the car selling world. You can't compare it to the Corvette either. That is anything but a low volume selling car. You can't really expect Nissan to put out a new halo car every 5 years. There was a reason Nissan was in deep financial woes prior to the arrival of Ghosn. At least they kept it competitive and gave it tweaks over the years, culminating in one hella expensive and fast Nismo GTR.

Sure, Porsche can do it. But they're largely an SUV brand these days and sports cars were their thing since day 1. They were never really setup to be a high volume selling company. Plus, have you seen the exorbitant prices they charge for anything related to their cars? Nissan was always a DD car brand with sprinklings of sports cars.

SMH.... First off, it's not every 5 years that we get a new Halo. It's on the 7th year. I believe that it is possible considering the CNC process to build a GT-R shouldn't be excessively expensive. It's blocky, not many angular lines and the structure is basic. It doesn't have a swooping R8 like design neither is it light performance like a base 911. It's design is more intelligence than money. And that's a great thing. But it doesn't carry that type of build structure.
Secondly, outside of the engine. It's a production vehicle. There's not a whole lot inside a GTR you can't find in a $48k Lexus. Though the new car is beautiful inside and the leather looks amazing. Lexus found a way to have that quality in lesser cars.

The money case is in the hand-built engine so that's where I can understand the GT-R running into the $70,000k range. The other $40k. I don't see it in the car. IMHO, looking at all the cars around if and looking at the GT-R. The price reflects more it's legendary name and it's track record than what they threw into it. The GT-R, appears to be what it is, based on a teams intelligence doing a lot with a little vs a big budget

The GT-R is a great car. I'm not saying that. In my opinion the GT-R needed to evolve more. First off it strayed too far away from the R34 in size and weight. It grew weigh too big. Which to me in itself is a sign of cost cutting. The engine power increasing are minor parts replacements and mostly ECU tunes. That's the beauty of an FI car. You can keep giving it more power with little to no effort.

All that said. YES I think 7 years is reasonable to come out with a new Halo. Or if not. Give it an aggressive refresh. In the case of the GT-R. Nissan has never needed or wanted the American market for the GT-R. We received it after years of begging based on the cult following. It was doing fine NOT SELLING in the U.S. That said... I really don't think Nissan's financial woes are based on engineering two halo cars. They're a lot of factors in why car companies end up struggling. In most cases, it's more about expanding into other parts of a global market and not being prepared for the repercussions of a really slow start. Not how much money you dumped into a GTR. Cutting sports car money is a side effect of messing up in other aspects in business.

I'm sure keeping up with the GTR is not draining their pockets. They just choose to move slow to focus on other things.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-24-2017, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

considering Ghosen brought us the G35C which i luved im sorry to hear dis.

but at least da new guy looks EXACTLY THE SAME in a black suit. no one'll be able to tell a difference.

You sold your G35? He's still gonna be on the board. Just not the main man for Japan. I wanna see change. I think Ghosen went a Lil nuts with electric powered cars and neglected everything with an engine and real transmission.

kenchan · 02-24-2017, 07:27 AM

I did last yr after 12 yrs ownership. Was one of my favorite coupes. But it was old and wanted more tech and nicer interior so got da GTI with everything on it. Plus wanted to try DSG

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-24-2017, 07:30 AM

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I did last yr after 12 yrs ownership. Was one of my favorite coupes. But it was old and wanted more tech and nicer interior so got da GTI with everything on it. Plus wanted to try DSG

How you're liking DSG

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-24-2017, 07:46 AM

Article added up top.

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I'm pretty sure Ghosn is Brazilian, not French.

French, Brazilian, Portuguese, Spanish... all related. Lol.

Nithmo · 02-24-2017, 09:53 AM

Unknown_370, you and I will never agree, lol. That's ok though.

Just like every halo car, there is a halo car tax associated with it. For no other reason because the company can.

Also, low production numbers mean higher end costs to the consumer. Sure they could have sold the GTR for 20k less... but then they would sell a ton more of them. Nissan wanted to keep the car exclusive. A halo car isn't meant to be seen on every corner, like a mustang.

Also, Nissan was deep in the red prior to Ghosn. Very deep. Guess what got them there?

On the other hand, sounds like your Nissan revival is already dead in the water. Sounds like another cost cutter is in place of Ghosn. I keep saying it... money comes first for Nissan, and little more. Argue it all you want, but by the end of the day, I'm still right!

Meet The New Cost-Killing Boss At Nissan, Same As The Old Cost-Killing Boss

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Nissan Promotes “Le Cost Killer Deux” To CEO

So Carlos Ghosn is just the chairman of Nissan now, which really, come on, that’s fine. He’s got plenty to do. In his place, Japan’s second-largest automaker promoted his deputy and co-CEO, Hiroto Saikawa. And guess what? He’s a cost-killer too, just like Ghosn was.

If you’re expecting a shift at Nissan away from the rampantly boring, dated, pedestrian offerings they’ve had for the last decade and a half or so—with a new notable exceptions like the GT-R—it doesn’t sound like you’re gonna get it from this dude.

Automotive News says Hiroto Saikawa will “bring a gruff, tough, no-nonsense approach” to Nissan at a time when the auto industry is rapidly focused on emerging technologies.

The 63-year-old takes over in April from Carlos Ghosn, who engineered Nissan’s recovery from years of losses and debt through broad cost-cutting and dismantling the traditionally close ties with suppliers — the informal keiretsu network once key to Japan Inc.’s success.

Saikawa, who joined Nissan from Tokyo University 40 years ago, has been groomed to take over from Ghosn, who was dubbed “Le Cost Killer” after making his mark at Michelin and then Renault, Nissan’s main alliance partner.

“There is no difference between what I think and what he thinks,” Ghosn said at a news conference in October when Saikawa was appointed co-CEO of Nissan.

What can we expect from the new boss at Nissan? More of the same, meaning more cost-killing.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-24-2017, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Nithmo

Unknown_370, you and I will never agree, lol. That's ok though.

Just like every halo car, there is a halo car tax associated with it. For no other reason because the company can.

Also, low production numbers mean higher end costs to the consumer. Sure they could have sold the GTR for 20k less... but then they would sell a ton more of them. Nissan wanted to keep the car exclusive. A halo car isn't meant to be seen on every corner, like a mustang.

Also, Nissan was deep in the red prior to Ghosn. Very deep. Guess what got them there?

On the other hand, sounds like your Nissan revival is already dead in the water. Sounds like another cost cutter is in place of Ghosn. I keep saying it... money comes first for Nissan, and little more. Argue it all you want, but by the end of the day, I'm still right!

Meet The New Cost-Killing Boss At Nissan, Same As The Old Cost-Killing Boss

It doesn't matter in any way. I'm getting on the Alfa bandwagon and as far as my coupe. I'm keeping my Z and possibly adding a Porsche. GTS or HOPEFULLY something cheaper. Hopefully. So all your extra shyt about my expectations is null n void.

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