340Whp & @260TQ NISMO

theDreamer · 03-13-2012, 04:22 PM

roplusbee · 03-13-2012, 04:58 PM

Math is critting people today. Glad we don't have to binary or hex conversions, lol! Let's network our Zs/Mustangs and creat a supernet, lol......

Red__Zed · 03-13-2012, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780

You're misinterpreting what I'm saying

Please do clarify then.
In case you forgot, we are looking to reverse a 20% loss....

Cmike2780 · 03-13-2012, 05:15 PM

The 1.25 he was referring to isn't to your formula. I wasn't saying you were wrong.

Dyno-Comp - Tuning

Red__Zed · 03-13-2012, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780

The 1.25 he was referring to isn't to your formula.

Dyno-Comp - Tuning

What is your math background?

This might help if you want to see another source:

http://www.someblogsite.com/percentage-calculator

kcquinn49 · 03-13-2012, 05:17 PM

how funny...what have I started?

we all know this, it just shows how hard it is to write a short description so well that everyone interprets it the same.

The confusion here is the percentage is referenced to the starting point. So it is different when moving from high to low than from low to high.

Start with 5 quarters. Take away 1. You now have 4. It's a 20% decrease.
Start with 4 quarters. Add 1. You now have 5. It's a 25% increase.

What I want to still know, WHAT is the loss from bhp to whp for the 370Z?

phelan · 03-13-2012, 05:21 PM

can we leave math class and go back to the original topic now?

AlphaSnacks · 03-13-2012, 05:24 PM

20% of 365HP = 73WHP lost.

365-73 = 292WHP

Total drivetrain loss measured is 20%.

It's pretty freakin simple. Stop complicating this thread.

roplusbee · 03-13-2012, 05:31 PM

If the gentlemen's agreement was still in effect, this thread probably wouldn't be going right now.

So are we going with 20% loss? And that number is on average correct?

AlphaSnacks · 03-13-2012, 05:45 PM

IMO even 20% is too high for a short wheelbase RWD car that has a carbonfiber driveshaft. I'd say that 17% is probably more accurate for Zs. 15% for FWD cars. And 20% is usually the standard for other RWD cars.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-13-2012, 05:53 PM

The Z's have a carbon fiber driveshaft?

AlphaSnacks · 03-13-2012, 05:56 PM

Yes, dating back to 350Zs.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-13-2012, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold K.

Yes, dating back to 350Zs.

That's cool, I never knew that before. We actually have some functional carbon fiber on our cars

Cmike2780 · 03-13-2012, 06:11 PM

Lol, Good god red I wasn't interpreting anything. He was referring to the original post, which I thought meant exactly what you said. The percentage increase over the Dyno number, not the 20% loss.

I don't think it's even accurate way of determining actual drivetrain loss. I prefer using the rated flywheel hp, baseline Dyno and new Dyno number

332/baseline Dyno=x/new Dyno number

Lol, I never said you were wrong by the way. So easy to get under your skin isn't it?

Red__Zed · 03-13-2012, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Lol, Good god red I wasn't interpreting anything. He was referring to the original post, which I thought meant exactly what you said. The percentage increase over the Dyno number, not the 20% loss.

I don't think it's even accurate way of determining actual drivetrain loss. I prefer using the rated flywheel hp, baseline Dyno and new Dyno number

332/baseline Dyno=x/new Dyno number

Lol, I never said you were wrong by the way. So easy to get under your skin isn't it?

You aren't under my skin. You "corrected" someone and provided bad information. I Simply explained why he was correct and you were not.

03-13-2012, 04:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
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03-13-2012, 04:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 23	Math is critting people today. Glad we don't have to binary or hex conversions, lol! Let's network our Zs/Mustangs and creat a supernet, lol...... __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

03-13-2012, 05:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 30	The 1.25 he was referring to isn't to your formula. I wasn't saying you were wrong. Dyno-Comp - Tuning __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

03-13-2012, 05:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 39 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3407	can we leave math class and go back to the original topic now? __________________ 凛 ('Rin') - 2009 Nissan 370Z With silence comes peace. With peace comes freedom. With freedom comes silence.

03-13-2012, 05:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 23	If the gentlemen's agreement was still in effect, this thread probably wouldn't be going right now. So are we going with 20% loss? And that number is on average correct? __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

03-13-2012, 05:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
kcquinn49 Base Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 86 Drives: 2011 370Z Coupe Rep Power: 250	how funny...what have I started? we all know this, it just shows how hard it is to write a short description so well that everyone interprets it the same. The confusion here is the percentage is referenced to the starting point. So it is different when moving from high to low than from low to high. Start with 5 quarters. Take away 1. You now have 4. It's a 20% decrease. Start with 4 quarters. Add 1. You now have 5. It's a 25% increase. What I want to still know, WHAT is the loss from bhp to whp for the 370Z?

03-13-2012, 05:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
AlphaSnacks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Windermere, FL Posts: 1,618 Drives: '13 XKR-S, '10 370Z Rep Power: 19	20% of 365HP = 73WHP lost. 365-73 = 292WHP Total drivetrain loss measured is 20%. It's pretty freakin simple. Stop complicating this thread.

03-13-2012, 05:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
AlphaSnacks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Windermere, FL Posts: 1,618 Drives: '13 XKR-S, '10 370Z Rep Power: 19	IMO even 20% is too high for a short wheelbase RWD car that has a carbonfiber driveshaft. I'd say that 17% is probably more accurate for Zs. 15% for FWD cars. And 20% is usually the standard for other RWD cars.

03-13-2012, 05:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 142	The Z's have a carbon fiber driveshaft? __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

03-13-2012, 05:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
AlphaSnacks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Windermere, FL Posts: 1,618 Drives: '13 XKR-S, '10 370Z Rep Power: 19	Yes, dating back to 350Zs.

03-13-2012, 06:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 30	Lol, Good god red I wasn't interpreting anything. He was referring to the original post, which I thought meant exactly what you said. The percentage increase over the Dyno number, not the 20% loss. I don't think it's even accurate way of determining actual drivetrain loss. I prefer using the rated flywheel hp, baseline Dyno and new Dyno number 332/baseline Dyno=x/new Dyno number Lol, I never said you were wrong by the way. So easy to get under your skin isn't it? __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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