HFC confusion....

Astrosfan · 06-29-2011, 11:05 AM

So, I have my HFCs waiting in my garage to be installed. After calling several performance exhaust shops, no one wants to install them. They say that the stock cats have the same guts as the HFC and there really isnt such a thing as HFC and that they will cause more problems than whats its worth. Also, that they are all made pretty much by the same cataltic manufactures and im just wasting my money. Is there any merit to this? Ive read tons about them from this site, i just want to know where they are coming from? I mean, if everyone is seeing results, then i'll take proof of gain over what some guy says, im just wantng to know where they are coming from on this?

Thanks, i just need some clarification!

b1adesofcha0s · 06-29-2011, 11:12 AM

No clue where they're coming from, but there is plenty of evidence of proven gains here on the forum.

Cmike2780 · 06-29-2011, 11:20 AM

Maybe this will help?

Stillen HFC vs. BERK HFC

Econ · 06-29-2011, 12:36 PM

test pipes

AlphaSnacks · 06-29-2011, 01:01 PM

Cores all the same made by Magnaflow, with different fabrication companies manufacturing the end result. All HFCs, assuming identical size and cell count in core, will net the same power.

errett · 06-30-2011, 09:07 PM

My car put down 287.5 on the dyno, they jacked the car up, installed the CNT HFCs and then ran it on the dyno again and it put down 304.

Plus it sounds really mean now under throttle!

E

Waiz · 06-30-2011, 09:12 PM

Go somewhere else, they clearly don't want your business.

Red370 · 06-30-2011, 09:28 PM

I gained 15whp from my Berks when I had my Z, those guys are idiots. And when you do find a shop that'll do it, warn them about the demon bolt

Dzel · 06-30-2011, 10:00 PM

Here's my install

X-pipe H-pipe?

Jamaica · 06-30-2011, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waizzz

Go somewhere else, they clearly don't want your business.

Glokwork · 07-01-2011, 08:40 PM

I've got the erz hfc's had em on about 2 weeks now and I'm getting constant CELs. I clear it and within 10 miles its back, used to throw 4 codes about the cats, now it just throws 2 codes about the cats being below thresh hold. I've seen the anti foulers on erz's site but I dont think I should have to pay 1/3 of the cost of the hfc's new for two small fittings.

Dzel · 07-02-2011, 01:43 PM

Did you do the steel wool?

Glokwork · 07-02-2011, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dzel

Did you do the steel wool?

I've thought about the steel wool, but I would like a more permanent solution. I'd like to wait till my breather mods are complete and get the tune done and omit the 02 readings, however closest tuner is 4 hours from me. I have a scan tool of my own which is nice to keep erasing it as it appears.

Dzel · 07-02-2011, 02:10 PM

I installed mine with steel wool havent had any cel's and its been about 500 miles

Red__Zed · 07-02-2011, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waizzz

Go somewhere else, they clearly don't want your business.

and I don't blame them. They face a $25,000 EPA fine for installing them.

06-29-2011, 11:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
Astrosfan Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: houston, TX Posts: 427 Drives: 09 370z PG Sport Rep Power: 15	HFC confusion.... So, I have my HFCs waiting in my garage to be installed. After calling several performance exhaust shops, no one wants to install them. They say that the stock cats have the same guts as the HFC and there really isnt such a thing as HFC and that they will cause more problems than whats its worth. Also, that they are all made pretty much by the same cataltic manufactures and im just wasting my money. Is there any merit to this? Ive read tons about them from this site, i just want to know where they are coming from? I mean, if everyone is seeing results, then i'll take proof of gain over what some guy says, im just wantng to know where they are coming from on this? Thanks, i just need some clarification!

06-29-2011, 11:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	No clue where they're coming from, but there is plenty of evidence of proven gains here on the forum. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

06-29-2011, 11:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 28	Maybe this will help? Stillen HFC vs. BERK HFC __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

06-29-2011, 12:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
Econ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York City Posts: 2,546 Drives: Fiat? Rep Power: 19	test pipes __________________ 2014 Triumph Thruxton 900 2013 Fiat 500 Abarth 2009 Nissan 370z

06-30-2011, 09:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 295	I gained 15whp from my Berks when I had my Z, those guys are idiots. And when you do find a shop that'll do it, warn them about the demon bolt __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

06-29-2011, 01:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
AlphaSnacks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Windermere, FL Posts: 1,618 Drives: '13 XKR-S, '10 370Z Rep Power: 18	Cores all the same made by Magnaflow, with different fabrication companies manufacturing the end result. All HFCs, assuming identical size and cell count in core, will net the same power.

06-30-2011, 09:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
errett Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Maumelle, AR Posts: 149 Drives: Z34 10 0111 Rep Power: 15	My car put down 287.5 on the dyno, they jacked the car up, installed the CNT HFCs and then ran it on the dyno again and it put down 304. Plus it sounds really mean now under throttle! E

06-30-2011, 09:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
Waiz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,262 Drives: Z33 & GE8 Rep Power: 459	Go somewhere else, they clearly don't want your business.

06-30-2011, 10:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 22	Here's my install X-pipe H-pipe? __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

07-01-2011, 08:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
Glokwork A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 2,657 Drives: 11 370Z MB 6MT Rep Power: 21	I've got the erz hfc's had em on about 2 weeks now and I'm getting constant CELs. I clear it and within 10 miles its back, used to throw 4 codes about the cats, now it just throws 2 codes about the cats being below thresh hold. I've seen the anti foulers on erz's site but I dont think I should have to pay 1/3 of the cost of the hfc's new for two small fittings.

07-02-2011, 01:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 22	Did you do the steel wool? __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

07-02-2011, 02:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 22	I installed mine with steel wool havent had any cel's and its been about 500 miles __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

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