ERZ HFC Performance

Zsteve · 06-19-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by daleks

Mass produced? What are you talking about? The products are made overseas the same way they are made here: a human being holding a welder. Or are you arguing that ERZ has a factory full of automated robots? Or maybe there is a huge benefit by having one welder just for the triple bolt flange and another for the Y-pipe side? Separation of responsibilities leads to a narrower, but more efficient work process? Right...

Quality construction matters to most people, even if it doesn't have a functional impact. No one is saying that for $300 you don't get a functional product, but why are you trying to say that it is just as good as the $500 products? It's not. At that price point you don't have pitted and warped flanges, misaligned bolt holes for the cross support, and crooked welds.

prove it. you know nothing about economics man. you can go and pay extra for something that can do the same thing for less, its a free world. Companies need customers like you. And by being made overseas there are more people welding them for less money. Just like Nike shoes.

You probably buy BP gas for more than everyone else buys thier gas for. But I aint mad at ya.

spearfish25 · 06-19-2010, 08:20 PM

I suppose the 'more expensive is better' argument is what makes people sell their children to buy the JDM stuff.

nuTinmuch · 06-19-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

I suppose the 'more expensive is better' argument is what makes people sell their children to buy the JDM stuff.

Paging Top Secret!

Zsteve · 06-20-2010, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

I suppose the 'more expensive is better' argument is what makes people sell their children to buy the JDM stuff.

sometimes I wanted to sell my children just get them out of my pocket and so I wouldnt have toput up with them. But I guess Im stuck with them. LOL. Gotta love the little buggers.

spearfish25 · 06-20-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

sometimes I wanted to sell my children just get them out of my pocket and so I wouldnt have toput up with them. But I guess Im stuck with them. LOL. Gotta love the little buggers.

No kids yet for me. But sometimes I feel the same way with my wife and dog. My Z never barks or talks back.

Trips · 06-20-2010, 03:10 PM

Please Keep it on topic.
Thank You.

hfrog355 · 06-21-2010, 12:14 PM

My, my, I leave you people alone for a weekend and return to find we're selling children and cracking BP jokes. Animals. Heathens. I love it...but for the sake of my thread, let me see if I can right the ship.

Yeah, the ERZ might lack some of the top end finishing of the other makers, but I really don't care (within reason) what the product looks like. It's never going to see the light of day, so the visual inspection isn't that big to me so long as the product performs.

I want these HFCs to:
1) Boost performance - everyone's butt dyno seems to say yes to this, but I'd love to see some hard numbers. kielbasa16 claims to be working on some, so I suppose I'll get them before I order as they're on back order for four weeks.
2) Sound great. Several members have raved about the sound and subsequent Youtube videos back that up.
3) Not be a pain in the *** - I haven't seen anything to make me think these show a higher fail rate than any other product. Aside from the minor early issue ERZ had early on, there haven't been any reports of rampant CELs or product issues.

I did see something that I suppose I should ask about - warranty issues. Am I just kicking my warranty to the curb with this?

kielbasa16 · 06-21-2010, 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=hfrog355;586657]1) Boost performance - everyone's butt dyno seems to say yes to this, but I'd love to see some hard numbers. kielbasa16 claims to be working on some, so I suppose I'll get them before I order as they're on back order for four weeks.

Sorry for the delay man, busy busy over here, you can expect some numbers not this weekend, but the next. Keep in mind though that I am doing a simultaneous install with the FI 18" cat-back.

Edit: ^that quote came out horribly wrong haha

nolan1016 · 06-21-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hfrog355

My, my, I leave you people alone for a weekend and return to find we're selling children and cracking BP jokes. Animals. Heathens. I love it...but for the sake of my thread, let me see if I can right the ship.

Yeah, the ERZ might lack some of the top end finishing of the other makers, but I really don't care (within reason) what the product looks like. It's never going to see the light of day, so the visual inspection isn't that big to me so long as the product performs.

I want these HFCs to:
1) Boost performance - everyone's butt dyno seems to say yes to this, but I'd love to see some hard numbers. kielbasa16 claims to be working on some, so I suppose I'll get them before I order as they're on back order for four weeks.
2) Sound great. Several members have raved about the sound and subsequent Youtube videos back that up.
3) Not be a pain in the *** - I haven't seen anything to make me think these show a higher fail rate than any other product. Aside from the minor early issue ERZ had early on, there haven't been any reports of rampant CELs or product issues.

I did see something that I suppose I should ask about - warranty issues. Am I just kicking my warranty to the curb with this?

Well no **** about the fail rate, it has not even been a year. Thats like saying im going to buy a ford cause its cheaper then a nissan but the nissan will last 30k longer. Everything lasts when it should, its the point of getting more miles off quality products.

hfrog355 · 06-21-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kielbasa16

Sorry for the delay man, busy busy over here, you can expect some numbers not this weekend, but the next. Keep in mind though that I am doing a simultaneous install with the FI 18" cat-back.

No worries. There's several weeks time before they even get them in stock and I know you'll get to it when you can.

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Originally Posted by nolan1016

Well no **** about the fail rate, it has not even been a year. Thats like saying im going to buy a ford cause its cheaper then a nissan but the nissan will last 30k longer. Everything lasts when it should, its the point of getting more miles off quality products.

That's correct, but at this point there is nothing to say that the ERZ won't last as long as the others. Users have several thousand miles on these parts already and are not reporting failures at a rate worth mentioning. I have no doubt a poor vendor would be outted in record time around here.

nolan1016 · 06-21-2010, 05:21 PM

They have to cut corners somewhere, personally for something that if it breaks Im going to be super pissed and without a car, I would go for the better quality.

06-19-2010, 08:20 PM	#17 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	I suppose the 'more expensive is better' argument is what makes people sell their children to buy the JDM stuff. __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

06-20-2010, 03:10 PM	#21 (permalink)
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06-21-2010, 12:14 PM	#22 (permalink)
hfrog355 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 213 Drives: 2009 370Z Touring Rep Power: 15	My, my, I leave you people alone for a weekend and return to find we're selling children and cracking BP jokes. Animals. Heathens. I love it...but for the sake of my thread, let me see if I can right the ship. Yeah, the ERZ might lack some of the top end finishing of the other makers, but I really don't care (within reason) what the product looks like. It's never going to see the light of day, so the visual inspection isn't that big to me so long as the product performs. I want these HFCs to: 1) Boost performance - everyone's butt dyno seems to say yes to this, but I'd love to see some hard numbers. kielbasa16 claims to be working on some, so I suppose I'll get them before I order as they're on back order for four weeks. 2) Sound great. Several members have raved about the sound and subsequent Youtube videos back that up. 3) Not be a pain in the * - I haven't seen anything to make me think these show a higher fail rate than any other product. Aside from the minor early issue ERZ had early on, there haven't been any reports of rampant CELs or product issues. I did see something that I suppose I should ask about - warranty issues. Am I just kicking my warranty to the curb with this? __________________ 2009 7AT Touring - Black on black VentureShield; F1 Tint; Stealth Signals; LED backup + trunk lights; Stillen HFC; MR Works Headlights; VHT tails; GTR Start Button**

06-21-2010, 12:57 PM	#23 (permalink)
kielbasa16 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NY Posts: 770 Drives: 09 Blk Z Spt Rep Power: 17	[QUOTE=hfrog355;586657]1) Boost performance - everyone's butt dyno seems to say yes to this, but I'd love to see some hard numbers. kielbasa16 claims to be working on some, so I suppose I'll get them before I order as they're on back order for four weeks. Sorry for the delay man, busy busy over here, you can expect some numbers not this weekend, but the next. Keep in mind though that I am doing a simultaneous install with the FI 18" cat-back. Edit: ^that quote came out horribly wrong haha __________________ Mag Black Kielbasa

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