Stillen vs. Smoky: your take on intakes

sylenze · 03-26-2010, 01:29 AM

i know ur doing hood up and hood down... are u also doing bumper off and bumper on?...bumper off would give stillen the edge...

SigPapa226 · 03-26-2010, 02:39 PM

I'm watchin!

Swat Performance · 03-28-2010, 12:30 PM

I can't deny the fact that Smoky and his crew from Top Secret are simply great at what they do and am very honored to be a part of bringing you all his products.

Thank You Top Secret and Thank You Baker Jackson Nissan for putting them to the test and for your constant support!

Ken Sanders
Swat Performance
www.swatperformance.net

Zsteve · 03-28-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Swat Performance

I can't deny the fact that Smoky and his crew from Top Secret are simply great at what they do and am very honored to be a part of bringing you all his products.

Thank You Top Secret and Thank You Baker Jackson Nissan for putting them to the test and for your constant support!

Ken Sanders
Swat Performance
www.swatperformance.net

Its just too bad thier products are probably too rich for 99% in this forum.

B1nks · 03-26-2010, 01:34 AM

Nobody is going to run with bumper off and hood up so I personally only care about results with bumper on hood down.

G37sHKS · 03-26-2010, 03:12 AM

Oh comn guys... YOu really wanna do stillen g3 vs TS intakes??

I can know the results from now... stillen will go over the TS easly...

lets see.... Long tube intakes.. vs Short ram intakes..
Stillen's long tube intakes give more power than Injen's long tube intakes..

so even if its long tube intakes vs long tube intakes.. stillen still the winner.. And now your comparing it with short ram intakes??

Im not saying that the TS sucks.. they are droll!! but you cant compare it with stillen g3

and in fact.. even if the TS gains more.. im sure that after 2-3 runs it will go very low bcuz it will suck hot air from the engine

sylenze · 03-26-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by B1nks

Nobody is going to run with bumper off and hood up so I personally only care about results with bumper on hood down.

the reason i asked is because the only dyno comparison from complete stock to stock w/ G3 I know is done by RCZ... and when he did that he had his bumper off, and i agree with your statement above...However, this is also the dyno numbers that most people are basing their assumption that the G3 has the most power gains over stock...

with that being said, i am pretty sure most people will just discredit this dyno study if it doesn't show favorable to the G3s... like what happened to Technosquare's dyno study of stillen bolt ons... and its actually happening already (see the posts after yours)... any case, im pretty sure these guys will be smart and independent enough and will keep scenarios in a constant environment.... so i am definitely in for the results

G Fo12ce · 03-26-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN

Be sure you allow enough time for the ECU to adapt AWAY from the Gen 3's before you do back to back dynos. If you're not starting from a stock intake setup, just putting something on after the Gen 3's will require 7-8 wot runs to get the ECU to utilizing the new intake. Just as you would from the stock to the Gen 3's..

I saw the same thing on the dyno going from the NISMO exhaust to the HKS exhaust.

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Originally Posted by sylenze

the reason i asked is because the only dyno comparison from complete stock to stock w/ G3 I know is done by RCZ... and when he did that he had his bumper off, and i agree with your statement above...However, this is also the dyno numbers that most people are basing their assumption that the G3 has the most power gains over stock...

with that being said, i am pretty sure most people will just discredit this dyno study if it doesn't show favorable to the G3s... like what happened to Technosquare's dyno study of stillen bolt ons... and its actually happening already (see the posts after yours)... any case, im pretty sure these guys will be smart and independent enough and will keep scenarios in a constant environment.... so i am definitely in for the results

Well put but it will still be interesting to see, especially if the results are not close like most people say they should be. I think the best way would be to allow for adaption, hood on, bumper down, same fan in front (replicating driving conditions).

However it turns out, thanks again for doing the test!! +rep.

Modshack · 03-26-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by G Fo12ce

I think the best way would be to allow for adaption, hood on, bumper down, same fan in front (replicating driving conditions).

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Of course it would be, but when selling anything it's pretty normal to create the conditions that best support the product you are selling. In other words, you never really know if the numbers are real or not unless there is full (and honest) disclosure. This is an area much of the aftermarket seems remiss in (not aimed at Stillen BTW)

Baker · 03-26-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

Of course it would be, but when selling anything it's pretty normal to create the conditions that best support the product you are selling. In other words, you never really know if the numbers are real or not unless there is full (and honest) disclosure. This is an area much of the aftermarket seems remiss in (not aimed at Stillen BTW)

Testing will be done soon. We have the last run going now with the TS intake, so we will post all the results shortly. Since we are talking about disclosure, I can let you all know that we are actually putting the Stillen Intake on a different 370Z that we are tuning, so all we hope for is a good test, and that both perform well since we will be installing both. Once everything wraps up, we'll let everyone know how it goes!

CrownR426 · 03-26-2010, 03:17 AM

I think the stillen intakes will still be better.

1slow370 · 03-26-2010, 03:58 AM

ok well the top secrets if they are anything like the g37s intakes will be rebadged HKS units with a different color foam so thats a loss in power right there on a hot hood closed run, and then gen 3's have shown over 10hp gains those conditions so my moneys on stilen in fact all 500 bucks of it that i spent on the stillen for obvious reasons. the only intake comparison that is really interesting is injen v. stillen.

All that aside it's good that you are doing a 370 build and great that you are going through the lengths of doing a comparison just be truth full run it hood closed with sae correction to get the closest real world numbers you can instead of trying to hawk the top secret name that they are so fond of.

Yeah i know i'm a topsecret hater, and i understand it's a good move on the part of your dealership to use the name as there are a bunch of uneducated racerboys that will eat that $hit like it's candy and shell out big time for the parts, but seriously everything they make costs twice as much as parts made by other companies and isn't worth a even a fourth of the 1100 bucks this intake will cost if priced similarly to it's g37 cousin.

Baker · 03-26-2010, 06:24 PM

The results are in!

Mothra is heavily modded at this point, an indication that Jason has been working overtime. Wheels are on, but rear brakes are off, due to a fitment issue that arose late yesterday. New wheels in the same style will address this. The suspension pieces from Top Secret are also on with about a 2” drop all around. The catback is also now on, which drew attention up and down the block. We’re in good shape to have her ready for Import Reactor and a tune by Smoky Nagata.

But enough about that. What you asked for is the straight story on intakes, and we are here to deliver:

Stillen G3 CAI: 281hp, 217tq
Top Secret CAI: 286hp, 224tq

We started our testing around 10:00 this morning, Humidity was measured at 58% with an outside temperature of 56 deg on site. By the time it was finished, conditions had changed to 48% humidity with a temp of 66 deg. The shop is mostly enclosed except for the garage 2 garage doors to let the cars in and out, but it is not 100% climate controlled, so everyone will need to keep that in mind. This timing and temperature actually seems to favor the Stillen pulls, if the differences affect this test at all.

The car was driven approximately 25 minutes on two separate trips between the tests (equal to the time it was initially driven to Secret Services). So, the ECU should have adjusted and the warm-up should be very similar.

So, what do you think? We were honestly surprised! Our Stillen G3 will go into another 370Z we’re having tuned by Smoky. We’ll keep the Top Secret one in Mothra.

The complete photo set is on facebook: Project Mothra | Facebook

Please follow the page and feel free to leave your comments here and there!

kevin.z · 03-26-2010, 06:32 PM

no way?! your short ram is better than cai?

Red370 · 03-26-2010, 06:33 PM

no chance. A short ram w/o heat shields will only lose power.

great publicity though!

View Poll Results: Which intake do you think will come out on top?
Stillen G3	73	47.40%
Top Secret	48	31.17%
They will be essentially equal in HP gain.	33	21.43%
Voters: 154. You may not vote on this poll

03-26-2010, 02:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
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03-28-2010, 12:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
Swat Performance Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Cypress, Texas Posts: 64 Drives: 08 Nissan Tiida M/T Rep Power: 17	Top Secret Intake I can't deny the fact that Smoky and his crew from Top Secret are simply great at what they do and am very honored to be a part of bringing you all his products. Thank You Top Secret and Thank You Baker Jackson Nissan for putting them to the test and for your constant support! Ken Sanders Swat Performance www.swatperformance.net __________________ Swat Performance now offering Top Secret, Powerhouse Amuse, Mines and Impul with more to come! Official Top Secret Distributor thanks to Smoky Nagata!

03-26-2010, 03:58 AM	#12 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7252	ok well the top secrets if they are anything like the g37s intakes will be rebadged HKS units with a different color foam so thats a loss in power right there on a hot hood closed run, and then gen 3's have shown over 10hp gains those conditions so my moneys on stilen in fact all 500 bucks of it that i spent on the stillen for obvious reasons. the only intake comparison that is really interesting is injen v. stillen. All that aside it's good that you are doing a 370 build and great that you are going through the lengths of doing a comparison just be truth full run it hood closed with sae correction to get the closest real world numbers you can instead of trying to hawk the top secret name that they are so fond of. Yeah i know i'm a topsecret hater, and i understand it's a good move on the part of your dealership to use the name as there are a bunch of uneducated racerboys that will eat that $hit like it's candy and shell out big time for the parts, but seriously everything they make costs twice as much as parts made by other companies and isn't worth a even a fourth of the 1100 bucks this intake will cost if priced similarly to it's g37 cousin. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

03-26-2010, 06:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 297	no chance. A short ram w/o heat shields will only lose power. great publicity though! __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs Last edited by Red370; 03-26-2010 at 06:37 PM.

03-26-2010, 01:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
sylenze Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So Cal/SB county Posts: 222 Drives: 370z 6mt+SP PG Rep Power: 18	i know ur doing hood up and hood down... are u also doing bumper off and bumper on?...bumper off would give stillen the edge...

03-26-2010, 01:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
B1nks Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston,Tx Posts: 721 Drives: 2009 370Z Base 6MT Rep Power: 509	Nobody is going to run with bumper off and hood up so I personally only care about results with bumper on hood down.

03-26-2010, 03:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
G37sHKS A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,183 Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT Rep Power: 22	Oh comn guys... YOu really wanna do stillen g3 vs TS intakes?? I can know the results from now... stillen will go over the TS easly... lets see.... Long tube intakes.. vs Short ram intakes.. Stillen's long tube intakes give more power than Injen's long tube intakes.. so even if its long tube intakes vs long tube intakes.. stillen still the winner.. And now your comparing it with short ram intakes?? Im not saying that the TS sucks.. they are droll!! but you cant compare it with stillen g3 and in fact.. even if the TS gains more.. im sure that after 2-3 runs it will go very low bcuz it will suck hot air from the engine

03-26-2010, 03:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
CrownR426 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Korea Posts: 4,676 Drives: Manual Rep Power: 849	I think the stillen intakes will still be better.

03-26-2010, 06:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
kevin.z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: vancouver(shipping:WA Posts: 359 Drives: 09 370z M6 PGtouring Rep Power: 17	no way?! your short ram is better than cai?

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