Originally Posted by Daishi (Post 463622)

I agree maybe i shouldn't of said they did zero testing but think of it this way. No matter how you slice it whether they didnt do enough testing or their methodology was flawed it still leaves their product in my eyes in the end still as flawed as if they did little to no testing at all. I mean does it take a genius to make a couple systems, install it on a couple different cars and say holy crap this system doesn't fit right, lets fix it. No they ship the product anyway.. But lets just say for arguments sake they didnt experience that problem and all was well.. You would think after all the fitment complaints they would actually fix the problem but no to this day people continue to have problems with their products with no fix from stillen. Instead their answer is hey we are designing a new version just buy it when it comes out.. uhhh no fix the product that you sold me in the first place or give me the new version when that comes out free of charge.

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 463634)

I agree. Like I said, I have no problem admitting that their stuff is less than perfect. I am less than entirely smitten with their stuff, to put it diplomatically. To be honest, one of the biggest factors in why I went with some of their stuff is that they were first to market, and I'm just really impatient, lol. I bought my car in Jan. of '09 and was just dying to start modding it, but options were quite limited that early on. I'm glad that better stuff is coming to market (like F.I.'s stuff), and I have no problem with switching over when something better comes along (which is why I'm #2 on the group buy for the LTHs). I'm not brand-loyal. I'm results-loyal. Of course, my bank balance hates me, but that's a different topic for a different time and place. ;)

Peace, bro. :tiphat:

Originally Posted by Daishi (Post 463632)

Maybe your ok with people spending their hard earned money on a product that has a good chance of causing them problems but im not..Thats not to say that Im going to go out of my way to post in every thread saying stillen products suck but I did feel the need to voice my opinion in this thread because the evidence is irrefutable. If someone asks my opinion on the stillen product I have no problem telling them hey dont buy this product because of such and such.

Originally Posted by Caravanshaka (Post 463635)

from :argue: to :cool::cool:

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 463642)

No, I'm with you on warning others about problems. Maybe I haven't been sufficiently clear. I have absolutely no problem with legitimate criticism of a company and/or its products if they're not up to par. My objection was based solely on the 'zero testing' remark. In other words, if something sucks, I think we should all say so and warn others, tell them what the deficiencies are, etc. I just don't think it's necessary or helpful to exaggerate those deficiencies is all. (The zero testing claim, for example, would be what I consider to be an exaggeration.)

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 463645)

Originally Posted by Caravanshaka (Post 463648)

no need to post self portraits sem :bowrofl:

sorry to derail a little, but was impressed that I didn't see this blow up like most internet arguements :tup:

Originally Posted by Daishi (Post 463657)

LOL. This is how every internet debate should end but often doesnt.

Originally Posted by Daishi (Post 463657)

LOL. This is how every internet debate should end but often doesnt.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 463485)

Don't think you can do that because the collectors are right around where the hfcs would go. It'd totally mess up the design.

Originally Posted by semtex (Post 463497)

They wouldn't be LTHs anymore if you did that. They'd be regular short headers.

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 463498)

you'd be better off buying shorty headers and a set of hfc's though since it's not as efficient you leave some significant power on the table.

Originally Posted by u155282 (Post 464256)

Couldn't you just put them further down, past the collectors, or anywhere else where they would still do their job but not interfere with other functional elements? Maybe I don't know enough about it...


No because the distance from where the LTH meets the block to where they meet the exhaust is a certain distance. That distance is the same as stock headers + cats/HFC combo. Most if not all of the exhausts are made to fit up to the stock mounting point. If you add onto the LTH by adding HFC then you would need a custom exhaust with adjusted measurements to mate up to it.

Not sure if I explained that well enough but I gave it a shot. :tup: