Reflections on GTM over the years

bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 02:05 PM

I did not get a chance to see it up close. But if it was like the other vehicles in the shop they were all being well taken care of. I am glad your is finished and yes there were several problem cars in the shop that were slowing things down. Each tech was working on multiple cars each day was a different car. They are making progress but it is slow...

roplusbee · 10-08-2014, 03:56 PM

bullitt5897:

Just so that we are clear, I am not taking a shot at you. I know posts can be interpreted in many ways (especially on this forum), but I just wanted to put that out there.

elperuano · 10-08-2014, 05:19 PM

At this point anyone even trying to defense said company looks extremely foolish. Only one who should speak on said companys behalf should be owner and no one else. This is the 3rd or 4th pperson who has said almost same thing verbatim. The "let's get it done" attitude was hilarious and sounded familiar. Owner can't even take 3 minutes to log in here and open his mouth but seems to have lots of servants who can speak on his behalf. What a shame. After all the evidence people still wanna play blind.

NoLaKrewe · 10-08-2014, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elperuano

At this point anyone even trying to defense said company looks extremely foolish. Only one who should speak on said companys behalf should be owner and no one else. This is the 3rd or 4th pperson who has said almost same thing verbatim. The "let's get it done" attitude was hilarious and sounded familiar. Owner can't even take 3 minutes to log in here and open his mouth but seems to have lots of servants who can speak on his behalf. What a shame. After all the evidence people still wanna play blind.

Right? If I did owe you 20K and had some issues come up that I couldn't provide you the service I would keep you updated often. As I would feel bad for falling short of my own expectations. However, he has not updated or spoke on the companies behalf which says a lot

NoLaKrewe · 10-08-2014, 06:05 PM

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bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elperuano

At this point anyone even trying to defense said company looks extremely foolish. Only one who should speak on said companys behalf should be owner and no one else. This is the 3rd or 4th pperson who has said almost same thing verbatim. The "let's get it done" attitude was hilarious and sounded familiar. Owner can't even take 3 minutes to log in here and open his mouth but seems to have lots of servants who can speak on his behalf. What a shame. After all the evidence people still wanna play blind.

Actually, if I recall his account is locked so he wouldn't be able to if he wanted... Mods please correct me if I am wrong...

bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elperuano

At this point anyone even trying to defense said company looks extremely foolish. Only one who should speak on said companys behalf should be owner and no one else. This is the 3rd or 4th pperson who has said almost same thing verbatim. The "let's get it done" attitude was hilarious and sounded familiar. Owner can't even take 3 minutes to log in here and open his mouth but seems to have lots of servants who can speak on his behalf. What a shame. After all the evidence people still wanna play blind.

The lets get it done attitude comes from the techs who are actually working on the cars... They want to see these projects through. GTM was closed on Saturday yet one tech still came in to work on a car... The tech's are very passionate about the platform from what I have been able to gather while at the shop.

People aren't stepping up and defending GTM's past or the failed group buy... Honestly, I have my opinion on how the shop should be run... But I didn't build the company and I have not had to deal with the day to day issues that arise in the shop. Pablo is probably running for sainthood ship right now having to answer all the outrage customer phone calls. That man is one of the nicest people I have ever met and had to talk to on a daily basis.

Just remember when you call that:

"You catch more flies with honey, than you would with vinegar..."

Remember that when talking to the people on your order or project and you will get more for the time you spend on the phone... Pablo will bend over backwards for you. But, you have to be nice and build a report with him.

As for my project:
Right now my car is probably back on a lift being put back together. It should be running by the end of the month... Figuring the tech is working on several other projects and my build is retarded complex.

G37sHKS · 10-08-2014, 06:23 PM

Im not hating here but I cant believe someone is actually talking behalf of Sam,
Mike@GTM was here and said everything we need to know about "GTM"

Do I have to quote his post for reminder? if not then /End of story.

NoLaKrewe · 10-08-2014, 06:38 PM

It isn't hating, it's realistic. You can't honestly expect this community as close knit as it is to sit by and let people defend GTM. Personally I don't think it would be right to new comers to get an idea they're a decent company.

bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoLaKrewe

It isn't hating, it's realistic. You can't honestly expect this community as close knit as it is to sit by and let people defend GTM. Personally I don't think it would be right to new comers to get an idea they're a decent company.

Who is defending GTM??? Stop saying people are defending them when obviously everyone is saying they are not.

elperuano · 10-08-2014, 06:53 PM

You say no one is defending said company.....

Do you have any idea how it sounds to everyone when you speak of said company?

NoLaKrewe · 10-08-2014, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elperuano

You say no one is defending said company.....

Do you have any idea how it sounds to everyone when you speak of said company?

Perception is a bitch right? Everytime he talks in my eyes it sure seems like he's defending them. Maybe I am crazy.

bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 07:18 PM

If I was defending them I would be making excuses for them... I have made no excuses. However, because I haven't pulled my car and picked up my pitchfork and torch you guys have the perception that I am defending them.

How about I know more of what is going on behind the scenes then most on this forum and I have chosen not to get outraged but to think logically about what has happened. Has Sam made really bad business decisions that many would feel err on the side of unethical... Hell yes... But as you stated perception is a 8itch!!! The forum only has one side of the story. I have multiple sides of the story...

Do I choose to tell you all everything I know? To be bluntly honest "no...". Why should I? What would be gained? Judgement has already been passed in the eyes of many of you without knowing the full story!

That's the problem! Many of you sit behind your keyboards and puff out your chests and claim this or that. But did any of you actually go to the shop? Did you actually research the document posted? Did you perform deep research into the company? Did you talk one on one with employees? Did you talk one on one with locals and customers as well as former employees?

No you didn't... Most of you make judgements from information spewed on this forum whether it be correct or incorrect...

Am I defending GTM? NO! I am simply stating get all the darn facts before you pass judgement... None of you know what is going on right now in the shop. So how can you say for certainty that the shop is doomed???

This thread of information is like: a glass of saltwater from an ocean... The breadth of knowledge of the facts is sooo shallow.

So to end my little rant: get the facts, talk to the multitude of people involved and then take a logical look at the outcomes before passing your holy judgement... OR don't and have fun with your pitchforks and torches. I for one choose to be level headed.

NoLaKrewe · 10-08-2014, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

If I was defending them I would be making excuses for them... I have made no excuses. However, because I haven't pulled my car and picked up my pitchfork and torch you guys have the perception that I am defending them.

How about I know more of what is going on behind the scenes then most on this forum and I have chosen not to get outraged but to think logically about what has happened. Has Sam made really bad business decisions that many would feel err on the side of unethical... Hell yes... But as you stated perception is a 8itch!!! The forum only has one side of the story. I have multiple sides of the story...

Do I choose to tell you all everything I know? To be bluntly honest "no...". Why should I? What would be gained? Judgement has already been passed in the eyes of many of you without knowing the full story!

That's the problem! Many of you sit behind your keyboards and puff out your chests and claim this or that. But did any of you actually go to the shop? Did you actually research the document posted? Did you perform deep research into the company? Did you talk one on one with employees? Did you talk one on one with locals and customers as well as former employees?

No you didn't... Most of you make judgements from information spewed on this forum whether it be correct or incorrect...

Am I defending GTM? NO! I am simply stating get all the darn facts before you pass judgement... None of you know what is going on right now in the shop. So how can you say for certainty that the shop is doomed???

This thread of information is like: a glass of saltwater from an ocean... The breadth of knowledge of the facts is sooo shallow.

So to end my little rant: get the facts, talk to the multitude of people involved and then take a logical look at the outcomes before passing your holy judgement... OR don't and have fun with your pitchforks and torches. I for one choose to be level headed.

Or the business could provide the product people paid for. Try not paying your drug dealer or poker debt of 20k. LoL. Shoot, try not paying a bank loan of 20k back. They'll take everything you own and kick your kids out the house you're living in.

bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 07:41 PM

I am not arguing that point at all. The money is owed to the customer... Said and done no argument or excuse there.

10-08-2014, 02:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3684	I did not get a chance to see it up close. But if it was like the other vehicles in the shop they were all being well taken care of. I am glad your is finished and yes there were several problem cars in the shop that were slowing things down. Each tech was working on multiple cars each day was a different car. They are making progress but it is slow... __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

10-08-2014, 03:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 24	bullitt5897: Just so that we are clear, I am not taking a shot at you. I know posts can be interpreted in many ways (especially on this forum), but I just wanted to put that out there. __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

10-08-2014, 06:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
NoLaKrewe Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NoLa Posts: 469 Drives: 2011 FJ//2015 370z Rep Power: 15	Editted __________________ Starting a NoLa Z club https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheBigeZClub/ The struggle will be real! Last edited by NoLaKrewe; 10-08-2014 at 06:08 PM.

10-08-2014, 06:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
G37sHKS A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,183 Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT Rep Power: 22	Im not hating here but I cant believe someone is actually talking behalf of Sam, Mike@GTM was here and said everything we need to know about "GTM" Do I have to quote his post for reminder? if not then /End of story. __________________ G37 BUILD UNDER CONSTRUCTION

10-08-2014, 06:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
NoLaKrewe Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NoLa Posts: 469 Drives: 2011 FJ//2015 370z Rep Power: 15	It isn't hating, it's realistic. You can't honestly expect this community as close knit as it is to sit by and let people defend GTM. Personally I don't think it would be right to new comers to get an idea they're a decent company. __________________ Starting a NoLa Z club https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheBigeZClub/ The struggle will be real!

10-08-2014, 05:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 30	At this point anyone even trying to defense said company looks extremely foolish. Only one who should speak on said companys behalf should be owner and no one else. This is the 3rd or 4th pperson who has said almost same thing verbatim. The "let's get it done" attitude was hilarious and sounded familiar. Owner can't even take 3 minutes to log in here and open his mouth but seems to have lots of servants who can speak on his behalf. What a shame. After all the evidence people still wanna play blind.

10-08-2014, 06:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 30	You say no one is defending said company..... Do you have any idea how it sounds to everyone when you speak of said company?

10-08-2014, 07:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3684	If I was defending them I would be making excuses for them... I have made no excuses. However, because I haven't pulled my car and picked up my pitchfork and torch you guys have the perception that I am defending them. How about I know more of what is going on behind the scenes then most on this forum and I have chosen not to get outraged but to think logically about what has happened. Has Sam made really bad business decisions that many would feel err on the side of unethical... Hell yes... But as you stated perception is a 8itch!!! The forum only has one side of the story. I have multiple sides of the story... Do I choose to tell you all everything I know? To be bluntly honest "no...". Why should I? What would be gained? Judgement has already been passed in the eyes of many of you without knowing the full story! That's the problem! Many of you sit behind your keyboards and puff out your chests and claim this or that. But did any of you actually go to the shop? Did you actually research the document posted? Did you perform deep research into the company? Did you talk one on one with employees? Did you talk one on one with locals and customers as well as former employees? No you didn't... Most of you make judgements from information spewed on this forum whether it be correct or incorrect... Am I defending GTM? NO! I am simply stating get all the darn facts before you pass judgement... None of you know what is going on right now in the shop. So how can you say for certainty that the shop is doomed??? This thread of information is like: a glass of saltwater from an ocean... The breadth of knowledge of the facts is sooo shallow. So to end my little rant: get the facts, talk to the multitude of people involved and then take a logical look at the outcomes before passing your holy judgement... OR don't and have fun with your pitchforks and torches. I for one choose to be level headed. __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

10-08-2014, 07:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3684	I am not arguing that point at all. The money is owed to the customer... Said and done no argument or excuse there. __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

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