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Boosted Performance 06-01-2014 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by N0SL3N (Post 2841978)
I was also going to mention that the BMW went from a twin turbo N54 to a twin scroll N55, although some say the N54 made more power.

Also, the advantage of a twin scroll has to do with the order of firing pulses. Because the Z uses 1-6 firing order on alternate banks and Sasha made sure to keep each header equal length, the pulses will enter the split turbine housing alternately which adds to the efficiency.

I'm sure Sasha can chime in here with more info.

That essentially sums it up. Each exhaust pulse is able to travel independently through it's own bank/runner. Because of this, one exhaust pulse will scavenge the exhaust out of the following combustion chamber once the exhaust valve opens...allowing more air to enter it on the next compression cycle. More air in = more power. There is simply no exhaust interference between exhaust pulses, allowing for a very efficient flowing system.

MoulaZ 06-02-2014 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 2843205)
That essentially sums it up. Each exhaust pulse is able to travel independently through it's own bank/runner. Because of this, one exhaust pulse will scavenge the exhaust out of the following combustion chamber once the exhaust valve opens...allowing more air to enter it on the next compression cycle. More air in = more power. There is simply no exhaust interference between exhaust pulses, allowing for a very efficient flowing system.

As I was writing my response, it dawned on me where I was becoming confused. I'll explain it below for those curious.

All of this stems from a natural occurring issue, Exhaust/Intake Valve overlap.

Had this been a twin Twin-Scroll Turbo setup, the Twin-Scroll Turbos would fare no better then standard Single-Scroll Turbos. This is because by the simple nature of the V6 arrangement and using 2 separate exhaust manifolds to feed each Turbo completely independent of the other bank.

...............................................Time: --------------->

Turbo 1 / Scroll 1 would see Cylinders: 1-NP-3-NP-5

Turbo 2 / Scroll 1 would see Cylinders: ....2-NP-4-NP-6


(NP = No pulse)

The above is ideal, as it provides that necessary time to avoid that brief negative pressure window (through valve overlap), introduced into the exhaust manifold impacting the next flow/pulse that is set to come out. This happens because the Cylinder pulses are spread out, from a time perspective, as they occupy different exhaust manifolds. This design allows for better scavenging and better exhaust efficiency.

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The below is the most unideal scenario involving a single Single-Scroll Turbo and using a single exhaust manifold to collect all gasses and push them through said Turbo. Had Sasha not selected a Twin-Scroll Turbo, this is what our scenario would be.

...............................................Time: -------------->

Turbo 1 / Scroll 1 would see Cylinders: 1-2-3-4-5-6


The problem here is while Cylinder 2 is pushing out it's exhaust gases, Cylinder 1 very briefly introduced negative pressure in the exhaust manifold which slows gasses from Cylinder 2 down, which reduces scavenging effectiveness and Turbo efficiency. Repeat this many times over and suddenly you've reduced your Turbo's efficiency quite a bit.

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The solution is a Twin-Scroll Turbo to 'mimic' a traditional twin Single-Scroll Turbo setup. This is what the Boosted Performance Turbo kit is. Even though both exhaust manifolds go to the same Turbo, they are kept separated throughout... until they finally meet at the Turbine when exiting the Turbo.

Thus you have:

...............................................Time: -------------->

Turbo 1 / Scroll 1 would see Cylinders: 1-NP-3-NP-5

Turbo 1 / Scroll 2 would see Cylinders: ....2-NP-4-NP-6


Even though the above is actually just one Turbo.

Look familiar? ;) ^^^


Hope this clears it up for others that were wondering. :)

Cheers,
MoulaZ

MoulaZ 06-02-2014 11:54 AM

Also yes, BMW went from a twin Single-Scroll to a single Twin-Scroll setup from N54 to N55 in '09.

Technically as far as the engine is concerned, nothing changed. The exhaust of the Inline 6 engine was still split into 2 channels, 3 Cylinders each, and fed to a separate Scrolls, instead of separate Turbos.

I suppose this could have been for simplicity, or weight saving, or space saving reasons?

This is a diagram of the N54:

You can see what I mean where the Cylinders are split. Important to note though, the diagram is not 100% accurate. They show Cylinder 1-3 going to one Turbo & Cylinder 4-6 going to the other. I don't believe this is actually correct, it was merely for the diagram's sake.

http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...rallel_BMW.jpg

Cheers,
Emile

whiteZ34 06-03-2014 09:53 AM

Sasha,
If you still have any of those 1.5 kits available let me know.
Thank you.:tiphat:

BlkNismo 06-03-2014 01:15 PM

Does this mate with the nismo exhaust yet or still only fast intentions?

jwick 06-03-2014 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BlkNismo (Post 2844850)
Does this mate with the nismo exhaust yet or still only fast intentions?

Currently you can get the Fast Intentions or the OEM single mid-pipe flange for a Z. Only the OEM mid-pipe connection works on a G.

BlkNismo 06-03-2014 01:28 PM

Thanks for quick response.



Sasha, would this be possible in the near future?
Im leaning here after the cluster f*** I'm currently in with G*M.

Cell 06-03-2014 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BlkNismo (Post 2844850)
Does this mate with the nismo exhaust yet or still only fast intentions?

Just have it custom fab like most of us did.

Sasha will send you extra piping without the flanges welded so you can take it ot a shop to have it cut to size and flanges welded on.

I had mine done just like that and connected to the second to last section of my CNT exhaust. I feel like getting rid of my CNT exhaust and looking for something with no resonators.

AlexRaymond19 07-11-2014 06:01 PM

I'm putting up a portable garage in anticipation for this kit. I can't wait!

Boosted Performance 07-14-2014 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexRaymond19 (Post 2892766)
I'm putting up a portable garage in anticipation for this kit. I can't wait!

:tup:

I am enjoying a long overdue vacation right now, but when I get back the production will resume.

AlexRaymond19 07-16-2014 01:39 PM

Will you accept a deposite or just wait for them to be done and pay in full?

Boosted Performance 07-16-2014 08:18 PM

I'd like to get the kits close to complete before taking deposits.

AlexRaymond19 07-17-2014 06:07 AM

I understand, if it were me I would feel like the deposits would be pressure

Mitco39 07-17-2014 09:09 AM

No one wants to pull a GTM. lol.

jwick 07-17-2014 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitco39 (Post 2898959)
No one wants to pull a GTM. lol.

I thought it...You went there:tup:

Aviator44 07-17-2014 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 2898415)
I'd like to get the kits close to complete before taking deposits.

Do you have any time frame on when you expect kits to be ready for sale? I'm looking to purchase a kit within the next month.

AlexRaymond19 07-17-2014 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aviator44 (Post 2899101)
Do you have any time frame on when you expect kits to be ready for sale? I'm looking to purchase a kit within the next month.

Don't put a time Fram on it. The best things in life are worth waiting for...

For me the choice is obvious, it's this kit or the fast intentions kit. This kit is more wallet friendly, and equally as good. Easier to self install. It's a no brainer

Arrvaxx 07-17-2014 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexRaymond19 (Post 2899701)
Don't put a time Fram on it. The best things in life are worth waiting for...

For me the choice is obvious, it's this kit or the fast intentions kit. This kit is more wallet friendly, and equally as good. Easier to self install. It's a no brainer

Not to start a war but how is this easier to install?

jwick 07-17-2014 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Arrvaxx (Post 2899708)
Not to start a war but how is this easier to install?

you don't have to replace oem headers with turbo manifold. BP crossover pipe bolts directly to the existing oem header flange. WGs and turbo are much easier to access. although you can probably do it without droppong the motor, I bet all the shops installing a FI kit are droppong tbe motor. no motor drop for BP

Arrvaxx 07-17-2014 09:39 PM

There we go. Thanks.

jwick 07-17-2014 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Arrvaxx (Post 2899731)
There we go. Thanks.

:tiphat:

not to mention that FI is using Garrett turbos.I've not seen the installation manual but I believe they are water and oil cooled, meaning you have to tap both systems to get the feed and return. the BP kit uses precision which is oil only. sasha pulls the feed from teeing the oem pressure sender port and the return goes to the tap already in the oil pan spacer.

the FI kit is fantastic but its one I would recommend having a shop install. Sasha's kit can be installed in your garage in a matter of a few days.

Aviator44 07-18-2014 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexRaymond19 (Post 2899701)
Don't put a time Fram on it. The best things in life are worth waiting for...

For me the choice is obvious, it's this kit or the fast intentions kit. This kit is more wallet friendly, and equally as good. Easier to self install. It's a no brainer

I'd like to have the car boosted and get some use out of it before it's put away for the winter. I'd prefer to go with BP from the research I've down, but if it's going to be 6+ month wait, I'll look into other options.

AlexRaymond19 07-18-2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Aviator44 (Post 2899998)
I'd like to have the car boosted and get some use out of it before it's put away for the winter. I'd prefer to go with BP from the research I've down, but if it's going to be 6+ month wait, I'll look into other options.

Fair enough, just giving you my opinion. I was planning on doing the install during the winter to give me something to do, but obviously if the kit rolls out before that time I won't have enough self control to wait :-P

Aviator44 07-19-2014 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexRaymond19 (Post 2900408)
Fair enough, just giving you my opinion. I was planning on doing the install during the winter to give me something to do, but obviously if the kit rolls out before that time I won't have enough self control to wait :-P

You'll be tearing those boxes apart as soon as they arrive lol. Have you already purchased yours? Hopefully he'll take orders in the next month or so.

jlo370z 07-19-2014 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 2898415)
I'd like to get the kits close to complete before taking deposits.

This is how you do it!:tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::tiphat

LIL_G13 07-20-2014 09:32 AM

Hey Aviator44 and AlexRaymond19 what other upgrades are you two doing to go with your kits?

Aviator44 07-20-2014 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LIL_G13 (Post 2902147)
Hey Aviator44 and AlexRaymond19 what other upgrades are you two doing to go with your kits?

Stock internals, CBE, Southbend clutch/flywheel, and HD CSC kit.

LIL_G13 07-20-2014 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Aviator44 (Post 2902191)
Stock internals, CBE, Southbend clutch/flywheel, and HD CSC kit.

Nice, same here plus GTM oil pan, Boost controller, Gauges, Motor mounts, Differential bushings, CSF Radiator and CJM S1 RFS

AlexRaymond19 07-21-2014 08:23 AM

I'm replacing my open diff with the quaife right now, have the rear bushings, doing the specialty z clutch, need to pick out guages, and I need to upgrade my brakes at somepoint. I also want to get the upgraded motor mounts and Trans bushings, and I want to do a full set of sways

Riptide67 08-02-2014 11:02 AM

Can your kit be used with FI long tube headers? Or is it best to use the oem headers?

jwick 08-02-2014 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Riptide67 (Post 2916988)
Can your kit be used with FI long tube headers? Or is it best to use the oem headers?

it cannot. the crossover pipe replaces the factory cats and connects to the triangle flange of the oem header.

Pro4Jackster 08-02-2014 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 2917028)
it cannot. the crossover pipe replaces the factory cats and connects to the triangle flange of the oem header.

Are you going to redyno on Jtrans new Dynojet? From the numbers I've heard so far, their Mustang dyno was reading much lower than we all thought. Looks like you can add about 20-25% to your old numbers.

jwick 08-02-2014 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro4Jackster (Post 2917102)
Are you going to redyno on Jtrans new Dynojet? From the numbers I've heard so far, their Mustang dyno was reading much lower than we all thought. Looks like you can add about 20-25% to your old numbers.

That's one of the other things I've been waiting on. haven't been by the shop in about a month. does henna it yet?

Pro4Jackster 08-02-2014 01:49 PM

Yes. They mounted it in the slab last week. The black Nismo read almost 100 ft/lbs higher than it did on the Mustang in cold weather. I don't remember the exact numbers. We were just BSing about what we expect out of my setup.

jwick 08-02-2014 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro4Jackster (Post 2917110)
Yes. They mounted it in the slab last week. The black Nismo read almost 100 ft/lbs higher than it did on the Mustang in cold weather. I don't remember the exact numbers. We were just BSing about what we expect out of my setup.

holy sh!t! that black NISMO and I put down just about the same numbers. I'll have to run up there and see jtran soon.

equalme 08-03-2014 01:40 AM

I'm down for the next batch!!!

VQZ34nismo 08-03-2014 09:52 AM

Same here!! Hopefully he start taking deposits soon

YzGyz 08-03-2014 10:59 AM

I'm down too. What I need is a good estimate on when this next batch and the one after will be. It would greatly help me plan my savings/spending s.

LIL_G13 08-03-2014 01:42 PM

I'm sure there's a lot of us waiting for next batch, I'm in also!!!

Boosted Performance 08-04-2014 12:32 AM

Well, it took a while, but all PM's replied to.

A large number of you have asked to send deposits. I am sorry, but I am just not ready to take those at the moment. I am currently ordering materials for 10 complete kits, and will start the fabrication on those in the next month or so. Once the kits are close to complete....as in IC pipes are being powder coated, and the exhaust piping is fabricated, I will be accepting deposits.

I don't like to hang on to people's money for a long time (1 month or longer). At the same time the added pressure I put on myself once deposits are in is something I also like to avoid. Hope you guys understand that from a personal and business point of view.


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