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Can someone tell me what I'm looking at here? It looks like a set of test pipes with j-bend O2 sensor mounts and a set of O2 bungs for wide bands if needed. What I don't understand is, are the pipes hard mounted to the frame? Are the stock cats mounted the same way?

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Yes they have a arm that bolts to the frame but this is the wrong thread for this question.



DAN

Is the stock like this?

How do you figure this is the wrong thread Dan? It's the pictures from page one on the build up. I'm asking a question about pictures and this build.

Ha sorry thought you posted the pics, Yes stock Bolts to the Car the same way with rubber bushings to



DAN

Thanks Dan.

will the sc change the note of the engine or exhaust, maybe make it sound meaner :)

Anytime you force air into an engine, it sure will, should sound awesome :tup:

Sam,

couple of questions,

1. Will you be going for CARB approval on the stage 1 or any of the kits?
2. Will you be including an oil cooler with any of the kits? I"m assuming that this will be a must have.
3. Any thought on how the intercooler will block air flow to the radiator effecting engine temps, especially in stop and go traffic?

Thanks for all the updates, great work!! :tup:

A S/C shouldn't heat the air as much as a TT setup would, so an intercooler shouldn't have to work "that" hard in stop/go. At least, that's my thought.

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However, not in a TT's case, the energy in the exhaust gasses is used to push a turbine which leaves little to be dissipated as sound. So the exhaust tone will be quieter than even an NA setup with that same exhaust. The engine itself though will definitely become louder as it is combusting more air & fuel ;)

Boost is boost, the rotrex charger is nothing but a compressor like that on a turbo powered by the engine's crank shaft rather than a turbine. The same heat will be generated in either cases at the same boost pressure to an extent. That's why an intercooler was utilized.

Nice work Sam. Now all we have to do is mount the tranny , and oil cooler, for the 370.
Plus where did you mount the SC oil cooler? i see now why this profect takes a long time to complete.

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Nice work Sam. Its going to be a tough decission between this kit and th Stillen. I really like the compressor GTM is using over the Vortec unit that Stillen is going to use.

My question is this? (forgive me if this has already been asked, this thread is huge) What are you going to use for engine Management? A computer flash or an actual engine management module? Next question is, will an engine oil cooler be part of the kit? (I really think this important)

BTW: the piping you have done is really clean! Under the hood my car will look the same as it does now with the G3 intake. :tiphat:

:excited:These are exciting times arent they??

cant wait to see some numbers maybe next week

I wasn't aware Stillen had announced they are now using a Vortec unit?

So will there be stage upgrade kits to get even more power if we feel we need more power down the road with the sc setup? I really want 500hp, and in order for me to buy this kit I need to know if it will be possible. I know we wont know any numbers untill its tuned but what do the sc guys usally do when 390-450 hp is not enough??? And nitrous is out of the question! Pulley upgrades and more fuel?? Also would lower compression pistons and new cam camshafts help or is this only with turbo??

Yep. Thier twin screw unit just wont work with the DTBs and they wanted a solution that didnt require an aftermarket hood. Thier unit will base around a Vortech unit that they modify and a water to air intercooler and hand held engine management system. They are definitly taking supercharging a whole new direction for them with the 370Z. All this is in the "Stillen Estimates" thread.

So far I am sold on the Rotrex compressor unit and I am excited to see the results of this GTM supercharger kit.

best bang for your buck is a terribly bold statement considering i can pick up 100hp for 800 dolars so fi this kit gets me 200 hp i will pay no more than 1500 lol

Where did you get 100HP for 800 dollars?

The only way to get 100hp for 800$ is to pass gas.

What you just said is very bold statement! Care to elaborate on that a that 100 hp for $800.00 a little more? We are all listening!!

If your talking Nitrous injection you loose us here as thats a path for only the Young and the Bold! Nitrous is a definite F-That!

I am already about maxed out on what I can get on an N/A 370Z and I was out over 3 grand for bolt-ons. Power AINT cheap!!

So what are the pros and cons between the Vortex and Rotrex?

I dont think Forced Induction is for this guy! 800 bucks wont even pay for just the install. Hes not going to pay more than 1500 for 200hp.....wow, if you said 15,000 I could understand that but, jeez. Spraying is not a very smart way to gain hp. Your car would fit in perfect on one of the sets of the fast and furious, press the little red button at just the right moment to win an illegal street race:) But what ever floats your boat but wrong thread to be in for now! Untill sc systems make it to $800 a pop no luck here.

nitrous people nitrous everyone knows you don't make a bang for the buck comment without adding "not counting nitrous" you can run a 100shot zex kit available today for $800.

Edit: just a joke people come the hell on, just pointing out that the bang for the buck king is nitrous in more ways than one ;)

you can run N2O safe you just have to spend a little more than the base kit, That being said N2O is the cheapest Power adder and its safe as long as your not dumb and put a 250 shot on a stock block 125 is max on a stock block safely.


I can wait to see what the #'s are on this SC


DAN

Well I guess Stillen might be outta the picture for me, I was leaning toward them cus I thought it was going to be a twin-screw, but since it's going to be simalar to GTM's kit, I'm going to see which one will be more reliable for everyday driving. I'll be more then happy with 450Hp/350tq.

get back on over to the stillen thread we are breathing new life into the twin screw on the order of the brand new vts units from vortech. the now own part of opcon autorotor which is the number 1 oem supplier of twin screw blowers.

Have they clearly confirmed what kind of SC they're using other than saying it's a Vortech unit? At this point, it could be this centrifugal unit (SUPERCHARGERS: Vortech V-3 Series Supercharger | Vortech Superchargers) or it could be this twin-screw one (VTS Twin-Screw Supercharger Systems Featuring Lysholm Technology | Vortech Superchargers). I think the only clue they've given so far is that it's internally lubricated.

vortech is going centrifugal so COME ON SHOOTOUT!

Agree'd. Not sure if anyone is following my nitrous thread but im almost done installing my nitrous kit. Running a 100shot, might go abit bigger if i feel the car can handle it. But if i end up buying the SC kit, ill drop the nitrous down to a 50 or 75shot until i get the engine built.

Yeah, I just read the latest update on the other thread. I'd love to see a shootout as well! When we eventually see the dynos from both kits, I'll be looking especially close at how the power curves compare from 3000-6000 rpms and don't really care too much if one puts out a bit more peak power than the other at 7200-7500.

Any Monday updates SAM??

Yes, But for some odd reason I can't access the site form work :icon14:

Sam

u must have been spending too much time on here (that or they found out you were in the Gent's Lounge;) )

should be very interesting to see how GTMs Rotrex + air/air SC will compare to the Stillens Vortech + air/water SC

Hope the network is up and running today Sam! Would love to see all of the progress you have done for the first week of the new year!

:iagree: Peak doesnt mean a whole lot to me compared to how much gain there is thru all the rpm range. I want power that is there all the time and not just a high peak number thats there for a sec or two.

Now a question I have is how will a SC be different on a AT compared to a manual? Or since we can use the paddles would there even be a difference? Maybe some cuz the gears are alittle different?

the liquid cooled air should produce lower intake temps, may see a few extra ponies compared to an air cooled setup.

Not only that Stillen is modifying the turbine wheels to decrease the lag that is inherent in centrifugal superchargers. Thier new intake will also improve low end torque too. I can't wait until everything is completly unvieled from both. It really sounds like Stillen has put some extreme engineering into this kit. I am still on the fence until I see the results on paper and feedback from the brave who first jump on the kits.

Pics???????