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john370z 09-07-2009 07:25 PM

+1 Have I already said I am VERY interested in the performance and reliability of your product?

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john370z 09-07-2009 07:28 PM

Sam,

Do you think the 7AT will need to be modified if I am at 5500 ft altitude looking for about 400-425 whp? Not a track driver, but a spirited driver.
Thanks,
john

SAM@GTM 09-07-2009 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZforMe (Post 189151)
I'm guessing this isn't something that can be installed in my own garage. Looks like it could be a great alternative for those of us interested in Stillen's Supercharger kit.

Oh yes absolutely, We have sold a lot of systems to DIY Guys that just love to tackle such job and we do provide a very good comprehensive installation manuals to make this happen

Here is some samples of Installation manuals for our GTM twin turbo kit for the 07-08 350Z HR

http://www.gtmotorsports.com/Manuals...ual_350ZHR.pdf

http://www.gtmotorsports.com/Manuals...ist_350ZHR.pdf

http://www.gtmotorsports.com/Manuals...own_350ZHR.pdf

Sam

SAM@GTM 09-07-2009 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john370z (Post 189288)
Sam,

Do you think the 7AT will need to be modified if I am at 5500 ft altitude looking for about 400-425 whp? Not a track driver, but a spirited driver.
Thanks,
john

(If I'm understanding your question correctly )

Since We are using maf base tuning, altitude does not really make one bit of difference the ecu will be able to compensate for the changes in altitude wither you are at see level or at 10000 . so the car will still have the same factory driveability at all the time .

So far I'm impressed with the 7AT, Nissan has done a good job in programing the TCM .

As for not doing any supporting mod to the transmission after going force induction,it is not recommended.. at least you need to install a trans cooler, as we are producing more power the transmission is working harder and it directly effects the fluid temperature

Sam

Snakes709 09-07-2009 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 189304)
(If I' understanding your question correctly )

Since We are using maf base tuning, altitude does not really make one bit of difference the ecu will be able to compensate for the changes in altitude wither you are at see level or at 10000 . so the car will still have the same factory driveability at all the time .

So far I'm impressed with the 7AT, Nissan has done a good job in programing the TCM .

As for not doing any supporting mod to the transmission after going force induction,it is not recommended.. at least you need to install a trans cooler, as we are producing more power the transmission is working harder and it directly effects the fluid temperature

Sam

Is that just for the 7AT or both the 7AT and 6MT? I know it would be a good thing to upgrade the transmission but is it highly recommended

m4a1mustang 09-07-2009 08:53 PM

Very interested in this kit!

SAM@GTM 09-07-2009 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakes709 (Post 189366)
Is that just for the 7AT or both the 7AT and 6MT? I know it would be a good thing to upgrade the transmission but is it highly recommended

Only for the 7AT

Sam

LiquidZ 09-07-2009 09:05 PM

Can't wait to hear more about the product.

john370z 09-07-2009 09:10 PM

I agree the cooler is the way to go. I was mentioning the altitude because my car produces much less hp at 5500 than at sea level thus putting less strain on the trans. I am sure you will have boost compensation for high altitude when the kit is revealed. Good luck with the development and I look forward to hearing more from you.
john

MMC Racing 09-08-2009 09:02 AM

Are you going for CARB certification?

JoeD 09-08-2009 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 189720)
Are you going for CARB certification?

I hope not.

Z eliminator 09-08-2009 12:43 PM

Hi Sam. Could you please " PM " on the SC. For the 7 AT.
From, " your best customer in Canada."

Thanks.

shabarivas 09-08-2009 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeD (Post 189825)
I hope not.

?? you hope not? Why would you hope not? Do you not live in cali or something?

Togo 09-08-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas (Post 190015)
?? you hope not? Why would you hope not? Do you not live in cali or something?

He lives in CA, look at his info. The reason he would hope not is probably this, if it's carb legal then it's probably going to not put out as much power, take longer to be developed, and cost more money.

g96818 09-08-2009 04:30 PM

Subscribed :happydance:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Togo (Post 190023)
He lives in CA, look at his info. The reason he would hope not is probably this, if it's carb legal then it's probably going to not put out as much power, take longer to be developed, and cost more money.

I hope not too, mainly cuz i don't live in ca and i don't like ca laws dictating every performance part released, but then again aren't TT kits not smog legal anyways.

MMC Racing 09-08-2009 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Togo (Post 190023)
He lives in CA, look at his info. The reason he would hope not is probably this, if it's carb legal then it's probably going to not put out as much power, take longer to be developed, and cost more money.

I'm not sure what large addtional cost their would be outside of the application process and selecting the best pulley combo and tune to meet standards. The "CARB LEGAL" version will have a certain pulley and other pulleys will be available to get the power people outside of california want (or people inside between smog inspections). As for development time - the kit can be released CARB pending/install at your own risk in California..

I haven't seen anything come out of GTM carb certified (correct me if I'm wrong), so we may have to wait for Vortech or Stillen who have historically followed that process to deliver for us..

Hense the question to GTM..

SAM@GTM 09-08-2009 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 189720)
Are you going for CARB certification?

Yes..

One of our main intention with the supercharger kit is to achieve carb certification .

Sam

SAM@GTM 09-08-2009 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Togo (Post 190023)
He lives in CA, look at his info. The reason he would hope not is probably this, if it's carb legal then it's probably going to not put out as much power, take longer to be developed, and cost more money.

And that is why we have more then one stage to offer, So there will be A stage for carb and others stages that is more performance driven

We are not trying to make a big horse power out of the supercharger kit, that what we have the turbo kit for .

But personally i would not be happy with less than 100 whp with and carb certificate and this is what we are shooting for .

Sam

jmlenz 09-08-2009 05:33 PM

Great news! Sounds like the development of this SC kit will be a lot faster coming than the GTM TT kit was! If the gains prove themselves and the price is right (7-8k ish) I think we have a HUGE winner here!

SUBSCRIBED!

JoeD 09-08-2009 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Togo (Post 190023)
He lives in CA, look at his info. The reason he would hope not is probably this, if it's carb legal then it's probably going to not put out as much power, take longer to be developed, and cost more money.

Exactly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 190247)
And that is why we have more then one stage to offer, So there will be A stage for carb and others stages that is more performance driven

Good to know. :tup:

SAM@GTM 09-08-2009 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 189962)
Hi Sam. Could you please " PM " on the SC. For the 7 AT.
From, " your best customer in Canada."

Thanks.

Why don't you just let me send a turbo kit,You know you're going to want more :D

Sam

Snakes709 09-08-2009 06:53 PM

u can send me a twin turbo kit...although i dont have the money right now..lol.

MMC Racing 09-08-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 190289)
Why don't you just let me send a turbo kit,You know you're going to want more :D

Sam

I will gladly pay you Tuesday.....

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Buddy Revell 09-08-2009 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 190247)
And that is why we have more then one stage to offer, So there will be A stage for carb and others stages that is more performance driven

We are not trying to make a big horse power out of the supercharger kit, that what we have the turbo kit for .

But personally i would not be happy with less than 100 whp with and carb certificate and this is what we are shooting for .

Sam

Great news, Sam! Thanks!:tup:

Togo 09-08-2009 08:57 PM

Well if i can get 600 RWHP out of a SC that would be prime other wise I might have to throw down on the TT

SAM@GTM 09-08-2009 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Togo (Post 190689)
Well if i can get 600 RWHP out of a SC that would be prime other wise I might have to throw down on the TT

If your goal is 600 RWHP i strongly recommend the twin turbo kit .

Sam

Togo 09-08-2009 09:33 PM

In all honesty I just want 475 to 550ish but 600 would be f'n sweet

JoeD 09-08-2009 10:30 PM

I don't care how much horsepower the car makes so long as it traps 120+ MPH. RWHP tells you absolutely nothing about how fast a car is. The only indication of a car's performance is, obviously, hard acceleration figures, i.e. 1/4-mile trap-speed, 1-mile trap speed, 60-150 MPH, etc.

To put a power figure to it, however...I think somewhere in the low-500 RWHP range should make this a 120 MPH car.

dainedazz 09-09-2009 10:09 AM

oh wtf?! 500+hp on a supercharger?!

if this beast gives 500+ RWHP & IT SHOWS GREAT RELIABILITY IN THE LONG RUN,
i'm gonna be doing EVERYTHING to get that money for this kit.

Abilor 09-09-2009 12:52 PM

dyno vid please

RCZ 09-09-2009 01:11 PM

^^ love the non-z owner who comes in here, skims through the thread and asks for a dyno video of a product that is still in early development. Bravo!

nogoodname 09-09-2009 01:12 PM

post a dyno with someone running on the rollers....lol

MMC Racing 09-09-2009 01:57 PM

What I would like to see is 120hp over stock CARB certified with another 30-40 each HP from a pulley and custom tune. Then have other stages for the non-cali people (or people in cali who don't care).

I think the right price point for a complete kit (not including install) is $6000..

Just my opinion :)

-Mark

RCZ 09-09-2009 02:13 PM

Hmm, how about you develop the non CARB versions first for "off road" use only? I hate how the rest of the country has to suffer because California sucks for emissions. Now this kit is going to be more expensive and take longer to produce to meet CARB. If only CA wasnt such a huge market for these things...if they weren't I guess they would be SOL for all these Performance Products.

CCCLXXZ 09-09-2009 05:03 PM

^ I agree with RCZ, its disappointing that companies have a specific goal to get carb approved before releasing a product when California is just one state out of 50 that require the certification. Out of the 10,000 370z sold in 2009, I would wager that less than 750 are in california and of those 750 less than 1% will be installing a supercharger on their car. So if a few superchargers in California are worth the cost and the trouble to get carb approval, while waiting out and letting competitors release their alternatives to force induction and loosing potential customers... I think someone should get on the ball because I am ready to install one and would fabricate it myself if I had the time and resources to do so.

Just my opinion.

Nick J.

SAM@GTM 09-09-2009 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCCLXXZ (Post 191776)
^ I agree with RCZ, its disappointing that companies have a specific goal to get carb approved before releasing a product when California is just one state out of 50 that require the certification. Out of the 10,000 370z sold in 2009, I would wager that less than 750 are in california and of those 750 less than 1% will be installing a supercharger on their car. So if a few superchargers in California are worth the cost and the trouble to get carb approval, while waiting out and letting competitors release their alternatives to force induction and loosing potential customers... I think someone should get on the ball because I am ready to install one and would fabricate it myself if I had the time and resources to do so.

Just my opinion.

Nick J.

The kit Will BE Released immediately after all the development, testing and tuning are done. And this is for a simple reason ... we are offering more than one stage for this kit, the carb approved stage will take the longest and we have a dedicated car for that, the other more performance driven stages (non carb Stages ) will be available for sale hopefully by sema, one thing i can guarantee, that We have been hard at work on the VQ37VHR platform since 2007 so we are so far ahead in the testing and development more than anybody else in the world .

Sam

shabarivas 09-09-2009 05:51 PM

soooo - if i were to get a non-carb kit... and then your carb kit came out - how hard would it be for me to make mine carb ok? I dont mind loosing some power for peace of mind... also - how hard would it be to go from CARB ok kit to not so carb ok kit?

john370z 09-09-2009 06:07 PM

Sam

any chance the testing and tuning could be done by SEMA this year?

john

Buddy Revell 09-09-2009 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas (Post 191852)
soooo - if i were to get a non-carb kit... and then your carb kit came out - how hard would it be for me to make mine carb ok? I dont mind loosing some power for peace of mind... also - how hard would it be to go from CARB ok kit to not so carb ok kit?

Good questions.

Z eliminator 09-10-2009 07:37 AM

GTM supercharger coming to Canada . Burligton Ontario
Very soon.
Can not wait to get it.


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