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Minicobra1 08-27-2009 03:57 AM

Vortech Supercharger Development
 
I've been talking with the sales team and engineers at Vortech and they are actively pursuing a supercharger kit for the 370z. My car will be the guinea pig and is scheduled to be dropped off at Vortech HQ on Sept 14th for the first round of test fitment and development. I can mention only a few things and only what I"m allowed to say, but I will do my best to keep everyone informed as it unfolds.
Now before anyone gets too excited, what I do know, is that based on the amount of room under the 370z's hood, the engineers say that it MAY be a challenge on getting everything stuffed under there. The decision to actually produce the kit will depend on several key factors. Obviously the ability to make it fit properly, reliability, ease of installation, bang for the buck, and of course market demand.
There is no question that Vortech has the capabilities and the reputation of putting out a quality product, my question to you guys is what are your expectations of such a kit and if your expectation could be reasonably met, would you purchase such a kit? I'm going to set up a simple poll on here, all I ask is to please be realistic and honest regarding your questions and votes. This will weigh heavily on their decision to invest more into the development and move forward with a quick release. :tup:

mrmixitup 08-27-2009 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Minicobra1 (Post 172086)
I can mention only a few things and only what I"m allowed to say,

Did they make you sign a confidentiality agreement or something? :confused:

What happens if you say too much? They return your car and start over with someone else's?

Minicobra1 08-27-2009 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmixitup (Post 172089)
Did they make you sign a confidentiality agreement or something? :confused:

What happens if you say too much? They return your car and start over with someone else's?

Not yet, but it may happen.:icon17: At this point, mainly out of courtesy for Vortech and because it has not been officially green lighted. Once the car is down there for a few weeks I will know a lot more of the technical aspects and weather or not they are going to continue development. They are excited about the car and see the potential the 370z has. :tup:

mrmixitup 08-27-2009 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Minicobra1 (Post 172097)
car and see the potential the 370z has. :tup:

Well, Nissan sold 200,000 350Zs (and still counting since the 2009 Vert is a 350Z) and a heck of alot of those are modded, so I can't really understand why this is a no-brainer for Vortech.

It's not like this is a car that people aren't modding. :rolleyes:

Worst case scenario is that Nissan discountinues the 370Z after only one or two years, but that obviously won't happen.

If Vortech really gets on the ball, they can be the first company to get a supercharger kit on the market. Jeez, the car has been out for six months already.

mrmixitup 08-27-2009 04:26 AM

In addition a G37 kit should share 90% of the parts of a 370Z kit, so they are almost developing two kits at the same time.

Minicobra1 08-27-2009 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmixitup (Post 172099)
Well, Nissan sold 200,000 350Zs (and still counting since the 2009 Vert is a 350Z) and a heck of alot of those are modded, so I can't really understand why this is a no-brainer for Vortech.

It's not like this is a car that people aren't modding. :rolleyes:

Worst case scenario is that Nissan discountinues the 370Z after only one or two years, but that obviously won't happen.

If Vortech really gets on the ball, they can be the first company to get a supercharger kit on the market. Jeez, the car has been out for six months already.

I agree, at any other point in time they probably wouldn't hesitate one bit, but because the automotive industry has been so adversely affected by our economy right now, they are just proceeding cautiously. A lot of aftermarket companies sales are down right now, especially on the big ticket items. I'm sure we can convince them they must build this kit at all cost. LOL :rofl2:

Minicobra1 08-27-2009 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmixitup (Post 172106)
In addition a G37 kit should share 90% of the parts of a 370Z kit, so they are almost developing two kits at the same time.

good point, I'm sure it wouldn't take too much to adapt it over to the G37. :tiphat:

m4a1mustang 08-27-2009 06:18 AM

If the pricing is right this is something I definitely plan on doing at some point. I require more power than simple bolt ons can give, but don't wan't to go all-out and turbo. I would also do everything myself aside from tuning.

GMZ 08-27-2009 06:33 AM

I want to see twin rotrex units, with 2 they could make them small enough to fit.

370z4Steve 08-27-2009 09:11 AM

ask them if they will be @ sema this year

rreign 08-27-2009 11:01 AM

Hell I voted within a year. I wouldn't go TT just because of the lack of reliabilty. I plan on owning my Z soon enough and I would buy the supercharger when it came out. Especially a Vortech!!

RCZ 08-27-2009 11:17 AM

450whp for $4500 is my expectation.

wstar 08-27-2009 11:29 AM

Re: the 370Z market stuff, the 370Z production numbers are still kinda small, and even ignoring the overall US economic issues impacting sales of cars, aftermarket parts, and everything else, there's some issues about the future of the auto market in the US in general. With the way things are going, due to govt regulation and/or public opinion, sporty cars could get changed a lot and/or cut back in production a lot over the coming years compared to past history.

All I'm saying is, the 350Z sales numbers from the past aren't necessarily a very sure bet for how many 370Z's we'll see in the next few years. I can understand vendors being a little leery about committing major resources.

I for one would like to do a SC at some point on this car. I don't know when, probably not real soon. It might be later in the life of the car honestly, after I switch to another DD.

Buddy Revell 08-27-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 172452)
Re: the 370Z market stuff, the 370Z production numbers are still kinda small, and even ignoring the overall US economic issues impacting sales of cars, aftermarket parts, and everything else, there's some issues about the future of the auto market in the US in general. With the way things are going, due to govt regulation and/or public opinion, sporty cars could get changed a lot and/or cut back in production a lot over the coming years compared to past history.

All I'm saying is, the 350Z sales numbers from the past aren't necessarily a very sure bet for how many 370Z's we'll see in the next few years. I can understand vendors being a little leery about committing major resources.

I for one would like to do a SC at some point on this car. I don't know when, probably not real soon. It might be later in the life of the car honestly, after I switch to another DD.

But yet, despite a horrible US car market, these guys jumped at the chance to make a supercharger for the new Camaro.

wstar 08-27-2009 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddy Revell (Post 172529)
But yet, despite a horrible US car market, these guys jumped at the chance to make a supercharger for the new Camaro.

Well the Camaro was probably expected to outsell the Z by a wide margin relatively speaking, regardless of general issues affecting the car market and the sports car market.

LiquidZ 08-27-2009 12:10 PM

I would absolutely love having a supercharger. I would be completely fine with a nice, safe, reliable 450 hp.

It will be interesting to see how they tackle the DTB's. Maybe they will fabricate some sort of intake manifold?

Buddy Revell 08-27-2009 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 172535)
Well the Camaro was probably expected to outsell the Z by a wide margin relatively speaking, regardless of general issues affecting the car market and the sports car market.

Why? Z sales have been strong since they brought it back. Camaros were discontinued because of weak sales.

dainedazz 08-27-2009 01:13 PM

Z34 > camaro all day.

wstar 08-27-2009 03:24 PM

"Weak sales" for the Camaro are different :)

These are annual sales numbers for the Camaro in recent times, when they were still making them. They did see a big drop before they killed it, but they're also anticipating a big pickup in sales on the relaunch of the new design. We'll see how that pans out, but still:

94: 119,934
95: 122,844
96: 66,827
97: 95,812
98: 77,198
99: 42,098
00: 45,417
01: 29,009

Edit: looking even further back than that, they were consistently in the 100K-250K per year range up until the recent dropoff highlighted above.

Togo 08-27-2009 08:14 PM

FWIW, I've seen 100x more new Camaros on the road vs 370Zs.


It makes me sad a bit, I want to see more 370Zs.

dainedazz 08-27-2009 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Togo (Post 173222)
FWIW, I've seen 100x more new Camaros on the road vs 370Zs.


It makes me sad a bit, I want to see more 370Zs.

thats better, so we, z34 owners, stay UNIQUE & RARE in the car world.

idk bout yall, but i love sticking out from the crowd.

Togo 08-27-2009 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dainedazz (Post 173253)
thats better, so we, z34 owners, stay UNIQUE & RARE in the car world.

idk bout yall, but i love sticking out from the crowd.

Yeah that thought had crossed my mind too!

Red370 08-27-2009 08:44 PM

Personally I get annoyed when I see another 370, makes me not feel so special.:shakes head:

Togo 08-27-2009 09:00 PM

Eventually they'll be as common place as the 350Zs we see. Although I still don't see 350s nearly as often as Camaros so I guess it's all good for us.

RCZ 08-27-2009 11:43 PM

Back to topic

jmlenz 08-27-2009 11:52 PM

a reliable turnkey +150whp kit for ~$5k seems reasonable and would make me take the plunge!

tru_Asiatik 08-28-2009 12:26 AM

HP #, reliability, low cost, warranty is what im looking for
turbos is in the list of concideration but cost is a big factor why im iffy about them

Minicobra1 08-28-2009 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 370z4Steve (Post 172250)
ask them if they will be @ sema this year

I would hope so, would be cool if they had the 370z kit available by then.
I'd let them use my car for display :tup: Probably pushing it though, being only 2 months away.

Minicobra1 08-28-2009 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jmlenz (Post 173519)
a reliable turnkey +150whp kit for ~$5k seems reasonable and would make me take the plunge!

I would guess that would be the range based on their 350z kits. ($4,300 -$6,300)
Since the 370z is a DTB, there may be some additional cost involved, but I'm just speculating at this point.

jmlenz 08-28-2009 05:39 PM

Do you mean a warranty on the kit itself or a factory engine warranty ala Stillen's stage 2 supercharger kit?

If you want an engine warranty expect weak HP gains...

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik (Post 173669)
HP #, reliability, low cost, warranty is what im looking for
turbos is in the list of concideration but cost is a big factor why im iffy about them


Minicobra1 08-28-2009 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jmlenz (Post 174922)
Do you mean a warranty on the kit itself or a factory engine warranty ala Stillen's stage 2 supercharger kit?

If you want an engine warranty expect weak HP gains...

Vortech offers both, a supercharger warranty and an engine warranty (optional). Well, at least on their previous systems, we will have to wait and see on the 370 kit. I'm sure it will be on par with the others. :tup:

Valentino 08-28-2009 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ (Post 172536)
It will be interesting to see how they tackle the DTB's. Maybe they will fabricate some sort of intake manifold?

Intercooler one inlet two outlet.

MMC Racing 08-29-2009 12:16 AM

I tried contacting them through their website to offer up my G37 if they wanted to develop a kit for that at the same time - no response.

mrmixitup 08-29-2009 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 175887)
I tried contacting them through their website to offer up my G37 if they wanted to develop a kit for that at the same time - no response.

Mention the new Murano too? :p FM platform as well (I think?)

mrmixitup 08-29-2009 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik (Post 173669)
HP #, reliability, low cost, warranty is what im looking for
turbos is in the list of concideration but cost is a big factor why im iffy about them

Judging by your comments, this is the first time you're considering going F/I on a naturally aspirated new car.

Your warranty concerns are legitimate, but I advise you to stay away from anything short of of a quickly removable nitrous kit if you plan to take the car in for service when something goes wrong.

EDIT: Jeez, I just noticed you live in Southern CA. Hell, you even have to worry about CARB exemption (LOL smog Nazi state). I recommend you wait a while. CARB exemption takes months and most companies won't even pay to do it. Even then, you can run lean and still fail with a CARB approved mod.

I am never, ever, ever moving to a state where they can crush your car if you have an aftermarket intake.

LiquidZ 08-30-2009 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Valentino (Post 175854)
Intercooler one inlet two outlet.

This would definitely be an excellent idea. I obviously didn't think of it :tup:

JoeD 08-30-2009 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmixitup (Post 175916)
Even then, you can run lean and still fail with a CARB approved mod.

What?! :icon14:

Yeah, that's not how it works. I fail to see how you came to the conclusion that burning less fuel creates more emissions.

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Originally Posted by mrmixitup (Post 175916)
I am never, ever, ever moving to a state where they can crush your car if you have an aftermarket intake.

I swear...I learn more and more about what can happen to my car in the state I've lived in my entire life from people who don't even live here.

How non-CA residents perceive smog and CARB regulations is quite laughable...almost as much as CA residents who actually care about their mods being CARB-approved. :)

1slow370 08-31-2009 03:02 AM

psh flip an APS inter cooler over what do you get?

Did you know California was raped by the EPA and gave birth to AL Gore.

Oh and do you guys really carry around champagne glasses so you can catch your farts and smell them like in Southpark?:inoutroflpuke:

Minicobra1 08-31-2009 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmixitup (Post 175916)
I am never, ever, ever moving to a state where they can crush your car if you have an aftermarket intake.

No, that doesn't happen. The few that I know of, were from Riverside county, they were participating in illegal street racing and had multiple vehicle violations and illegal modifications. Stay away from illegal street racing and you'll be fine. :tup:

Minicobra1 08-31-2009 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Valentino (Post 175854)
Intercooler one inlet two outlet.

Yep, that's what I was thinking :tup: Just need to make sure the pressure is balanced, not sure how that works.


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