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Minicobra1 09-19-2009 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 203234)
They already introduced themselves with the 350z and seeing as they never produced a kit for the HR I'm extremly skeptical. Especially when they had a kit out for the camaro less than three months after it's release. When it comes to FI on Nissans the market is turbo biased so the sales aren't going to be that great. Especially since this IS a small numbers car. Look at the last camaro small numbers for it were 30,000 a year that already is 3 times the market we present. when you consider it had years of over 100,000 and even 200,000 a year it makes an application for or cars look ludicrous. Vortech is using your car as an RD source to determine it's costs for a theoretical kit to further define it's sales possibilities. they did the same thing with the HR to a fruitless end. In order for them to produce a kit there would have to be significantly higher demand than there is now. Would it be nice, yes as it adds competition to the market and drives prices down. Is it viable for larger profits simple answer is no. Especially when you consider that all the complexities in the new 370z are going to make the kit harder and more expensive to produce yet the sale point will remain around the price of other vortech kits meaning they will see less return per unit sold than that of kits for other vehicles.

I'll be optimistic for once and say that the vortech unit may be a viable solution as they use primitive pressure regulators instead of ecu tuning to adjust fuel so it may circumvent the complicated ecu that seems to be kicking the tuning companies @**es. Although I can't say I've seen to many 350z vortech cars that haven't thrown out the stuff vortech uses and gotten some other kind of fuel and timing control.

What thread doesn't go off topic eventually because it starts to stale up? Personally I think you're foolishly optimistic. How bout a $1 bet that this kit never sees the light of day? I'll even mail it to you with an apology letter. Hell if it comes out before the end of the year I'll drive it out to your shop.

I don't think they did the previous kit because it was the end of the model year and they were not sure that Nissan would stick to the DTB design in the next engine to be introduced into the Z.

I do respect your opinion, and everything you've said thus far is something I'm sure the bean counters over at Vortech have all thrown out on the table. I'm sure they have had meetings regarding this. There are so many more factors to consider, which I will not go into at this moment. Originally I started this thread to get feedback from forum members as to what they were looking for in a supercharger, their expectations on price, performance, reliability, etc.

This was not a thread intended to discourage Vortech or any other manufacturer for that matter from building such a kit. In fact I forwarded the link to the Vortech Engineers and they have read through this thread as well as other similar supercharger threads, and at some point will probably chime in with answers to all the critical questions, etc. So, once again, a bit of encouragement, positive input and optimism would be greatly appreciated. Think about it, I know this is a high dollar item, but it's not so different then a hi-end carbon body kit or titanium exhaust, you wouldn't go on those threads, and bet the other forum members, that based on the numbers, the manufacturer wouldn't or shouldn't build them, what does this accomplish? This is for the benefit of the 370Z community, betting me a dollar that they will not build it, does not accomplish that.

Minicobra1 09-19-2009 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 203608)
What is a Vortech kit.. It is fabrication of custom mounting plates and brackets, a bunch of off the shelf parts, and a few car specific pieces like something to flash the ECU or piggyback on to it. A company this big can probably fab everything themselves and maybe even manufacture the parts. If the cost to entry was so very high, how would a much smaller company like GTM ever produce a custom kit?

Yes, this is exactly what was told to me, they already have self contained kits, it really is just a matter of getting the brackets to fit and the belt to route properly, as well as making an air charger with 2 outlets. I also mentioned to the engineers to leave room to mount an oil cooler, because it will be needed. :tup:

Nikon FM 09-19-2009 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Minicobra1 (Post 205023)
Yes, this is exactly what was told to me, they already have self contained kits, it really is just a matter of getting the brackets to fit and the belt to route properly, as well as making an air charger with 2 outlets. I also mentioned to the engineers to leave room to mount an oil cooler, because it will be needed. :tup:

Looking forward to updates when you get your car back. A dyno curve would be great too.

Thanks!

Minicobra1 09-23-2009 10:25 AM

Over one week at Vortech, no news yet. I'll shoot them an email today. :-)

Nikon FM 09-23-2009 09:18 PM

Looking forward to good news!

Just for fun: I was born Cali and lived in Torrance (many years ago). I still like that place :tup:

Minicobra1 09-24-2009 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikon FM (Post 210668)
Looking forward to good news!

Just for fun: I was born Cali and lived in Torrance (many years ago). I still like that place :tup:

Yeah, me too :tup: Sent an email to them today, was kind of late, so hopefully will hear something tomorrow.

Buddy Revell 09-24-2009 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikon FM (Post 210668)
Looking forward to good news!

Just for fun: I was born Cali and lived in Torrance (many years ago). I still like that place :tup:

Cool. I work in Torrance. :tup:

Zsteve 09-25-2009 10:24 PM

So how much did the 350Z Vortech SC gain in HP and TQ?

Red370 09-25-2009 11:01 PM

they made 400-410whp, 325 ft/lbs.

Minicobra1 09-26-2009 02:46 PM

Update: Ok, so I picked my Z up at Vortech yesterday, wow what a difference 550whp makes!! I can light up the tires in 3rd gear all day now. :tup:
No, actually that was a joke, all kidding aside, it looks like the engineers may have given up hope on installing a centrifugal unit do to the lack of space under the 370z's hood. In my brief conversation with them, it could be done, but not with out some major modifications. Vortech is all about a clean and easy install and a simple, reliable kit. This just wouldn't fit into that category.
The good news is that the thought of building some type of kit for the 370 is not totally abandoned. They mentioned the possibility of a twin screw type mount (which they are now doing for several other cars) but the big concern would be if 370z owners would be receptive to changing out or modifying their hood to make it fit.
I myself don't have a problem with changing out the hood, as long as it is tasteful and close to the lines of the stock configuration. They will be in touch with me about this, just wondering how everyone else feels about it.
I know it probably boils down to bang for the buck, with the right price and generous reliable HP gains I'm sure we all could live with changing out the hood. :tup:

LiquidZ 09-26-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Minicobra1 (Post 214003)
Update: Ok, so I picked my Z up at Vortech yesterday, wow what a difference 550whp makes!! I can light up the tires in 3rd gear all day now. :tup:
No, actually that was a joke, all kidding aside, it looks like the engineers may have given up hope on installing a centrifugal unit do to the lack of space under the 370z's hood. In my brief conversation with them, it could be done, but not with out some major modifications. Vortech is all about a clean and easy install and a simple, reliable kit. This just wouldn't fit into that category.
The good news is that the thought of building some type of kit for the 370 is not totally abandoned. They mentioned the possibility of a screw type mount (which they are now doing for several other cars) but the big concern would be if 370z owners would be receptive to changing out or modifying their hood to make it fit.
I myself don't have a problem with changing out the hood, as long as it is tasteful and close to the lines of the stock configuration. They will be in touch with me about this, just wondering how everyone else feels about it.
I know it probably boils down to bang for the buck, with the right price and generous reliable HP gains I'm sure we all could live with changing out the hood. :tup:

I myself would have no issue changing my hood to fit a twin screw. As far as positive displacement S/C's go, twin screws are the best.

It's good to hear that they aren't giving up.

Nikon FM 09-26-2009 03:14 PM

I've entertained thoughts of additional cooling via the hood. Perhaps a combination to allow for the SC space and provide additional cooling would be a good approach?

Tricky to make the combination look innocent though.........

Keep up the good work:tup:

Minicobra1 09-28-2009 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikon FM (Post 214021)
I've entertained thoughts of additional cooling via the hood. Perhaps a combination to allow for the SC space and provide additional cooling would be a good approach?

Tricky to make the combination look innocent though.........

Keep up the good work:tup:

Yes, I agree, more cooling would be better. :tup:

Buddy Revell 09-28-2009 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikon FM (Post 214021)
I've entertained thoughts of additional cooling via the hood. Perhaps a combination to allow for the SC space and provide additional cooling would be a good approach?

Tricky to make the combination look innocent though.........

Keep up the good work:tup:

Would rain be a problem?

1slow370 09-29-2009 03:00 AM

rain is almost never a problem especially when all the weatherproof connectors are under 5 years old.

DJcuetip 10-07-2009 08:51 PM

I hear that vortech feels there isn't enough room in the Z compartment, mini is this true?!

nogoodname 10-07-2009 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJcuetip (Post 226143)
I hear that vortech feels there isn't enough room in the Z compartment, mini is this true?!

read the thread....lol

Minicobra1 10-08-2009 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname (Post 226182)
read the thread....lol

LOL, yes it's true :tup: Sent them a couple emails last week, haven't got a response back yet on the twin screw set up, either they are busy or avoiding me :confused: I'm sure they are planning for SEMA.

LiquidZ 10-14-2009 05:03 PM

Still avoiding you I take it?

Minicobra1 10-15-2009 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ (Post 236681)
Still avoiding you I take it?


No, they got back to me, busy with upcoming SEMA stuff like I thought. He said they were working out the cost on the twin screw for the 370z. If it looks like it will be effective they will call me to bring the car back. He will let me know as soon as they make a decision. Hopefully they decide to go with it, soon :tup:

LiquidZ 10-15-2009 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Minicobra1 (Post 237560)
No, they got back to me, busy with upcoming SEMA stuff like I thought. He said they were working out the cost on the twin screw for the 370z. If it looks like it will be effective they will call me to bring the car back. He will let me know as soon as they make a decision. Hopefully they decide to go with it, soon :tup:

I hope so too. More options, the better. Thanks for the hard work :driving:

simota1 10-15-2009 09:23 AM

subscribed!!!

shumby 10-15-2009 10:53 AM

if this is going to be a screw type. it will almo0st 100% need a new hood

Minicobra1 10-16-2009 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shumby (Post 237829)
if this is going to be a screw type. it will almo0st 100% need a new hood

Yes, they said for sure new hood. I saw similar design twin screw in their shop, probably for a Mustang or Camero (I'm assuming b/c it was sitting on the floor next to a Camero) looks tall, I can't imagine it fitting without a hood change :tup:

Togo 10-16-2009 09:18 PM

What kind of power would we be talking if they were doing a twin screw design?

Minicobra1 10-17-2009 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Togo (Post 239808)
What kind of power would we be talking if they were doing a twin screw design?

I think they will be shooting for the same peak output as what they would have done with the centrifugal unit, but the twin screw will develop more low end torque. Probably in the range of 425-450whp - 360-380tq for a reliable street unit with the stock block, etc. Here is a couple of pics of unit (not a Z)

shumby 10-17-2009 03:07 AM

i'll stick with the GTM and no hood mods. but it would look cool. will be interesting to see what they do with the hood.

LiquidZ 10-17-2009 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Minicobra1 (Post 239806)
Yes, they said for sure new hood. I saw similar design twin screw in their shop, probably for a Mustang or Camero (I'm assuming b/c it was sitting on the floor next to a Camero) looks tall, I can't imagine it fitting without a hood change :tup:

I wouldn't think twice about getting a new hood to fit that monster under there!

shumby 10-17-2009 07:55 AM

why though when the GTM will require no mods and the same power?

Buddy Revell 10-17-2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by shumby (Post 240369)
why though when the GTM will require no mods and the same power?

Better low-end with a twin-screw over a centrifugal SC, perhaps?

LiquidZ 10-17-2009 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shumby (Post 240369)
why though when the GTM will require no mods and the same power?

Twin screws are sweet! Mostly because of the low end torque.

shumby 10-17-2009 11:53 AM

ya that is true. but i just want mine to look stockish from the out side. but the screws will look mean as hell with a nice after marken CF hood.

jmlenz 12-01-2009 06:08 PM

crickets...crickets...

Minicobra> any news?

Minicobra1 12-04-2009 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jmlenz (Post 302945)
crickets...crickets...

Minicobra> any news?

No, nothing yet, I'll try getting a hold of them this next week, hopefully they haven't abandoned the idea completely.

1slow370 12-06-2009 08:59 PM

Tys

Kyle@STILLEN 12-15-2009 01:43 PM

Just released the information on the STILLEN supercharger kit using the Vortech blower...Go to page 21 for all the info.

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...estimates.html

Rickey89 12-15-2009 02:07 PM

so thats what vortechs been doing.

Togo 12-15-2009 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickey89 (Post 324981)
so thats what vortechs been doing.

Actually it seems more like Vortech didn't want to put in as much effort as Stillen. (unless they didn't want to make a competing unit to their unit used by another company) It was mentioned earlier that Vortech likes to make simple kits that can bolt up easily while this vehicle seems to be a lot more intensive to build.

Way to go to Stillen to finding ways to make it work!

MMC Racing 02-01-2010 08:58 AM

It would be a curious bit of insider information to know if Vortech would have ultimately done a kit if Stillen wasn't using a Vortech blower on their kit. If I'm a Vortech exec, I'm thinking Stillen takes the R&D hit and we still sell the blowers (at less potential profit). In this economy, I'd take that deal too.

Zguy 02-01-2010 02:48 PM

this thread is dead... Vortech isnt making a supercharger system for the 370Z.


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