GTM Performance Engineering: MHI Twin Turbo Official Release

Originally Posted by Alkatraz

Which is......?
I asked you that before.....6 months? 12 months? 5 years?

I have openly invited someone to show me any laws that govern this particular area but no one has responded. It's easy to make statements about what would/should happen without providing any precedent.

Someone mentioned that there was a $1000 non-refundable deposit for the Fast Intentions TT kit pre-order. I don't whether this is true or not as i have only followed that thread very sporadically (and full of jealousy I should add :P). For someone who decided to pull out of their Fast Intentions TT kit pre-order (before the release date was actually announced), would your advice be that they should request their $1000 back?

If Tony said 'No. We had an agreement and I have now invested money into a kit that you no longer want. The $1000 is to cover my costs and you were well aware of this fact when you signed up.' Would your suggestion be for the purchaser to sue Tony and Fast Intentions?

I don't want to turn this into a vendor vs vendor situation, it's just a perfect comparison.

Originally Posted by Alkatraz

I cant say anything to that. I look around and all i see are 'wolves' with an axe to grind against GTM and either no decent answers to my points or no skin in the game. Of the people who have made a post disagreeing with any of my arguements, how many are actually involved in the group buy?

If you are so convinced that my points are 'hopeless and ridiculous (sic)' then explain why. The fact that you have moved onto me somehow getting a good deal and everyone else not because of the exchange rates goes to show that you either haven't read or haven't understood anything that I have posted. That has never even been the topic of discussion. You have moved back to complaining about the delays for some reason.

The exchange rate changing doesn't help me at all. I want a TT kit and have to wait around for this one to be ready. End of story. How is my money not frozen? Yes, i would make a couple of hundred if I cancelled but then what? The couple of hundred would be eaten up in exchange fees and no one else has a TT kit that is guaranteed to fit a RHD G37.

Originally Posted by Cell

I am not sure how you guys do things in Australia but our Government doesn't govern something this small.

I don't need to repeat myself with my reasoning it won't sink in for you.

Everyone has given you decent answers. You are just unwilling to accept it.

Originally Posted by Alkatraz

In a country that requires a jar of peanuts to have a 'Warning! May contain traces of nuts' label on the side...

Originally Posted by Alkatraz

Are you serious???

I find it hard to believe that in the US there are zero laws which govern trade practises. In Aus we have the 'trade practises act' and 'consumer protection act'. There are probably others but they are the two that come to mind.

In a country that requires a jar of peanuts to have a 'Warning! May contain traces of nuts' label on the side, i highly doubt that there are no laws governing layaway practises at all.

In fact, 30 seconds on google has just shown me that California has very specific laws when it comes to layaway.......the defence rests.

Originally Posted by Cell

A real good contract will define all terms to its exact detail. I have yet to see the actual contract so I will still say that the people still deserve a refund.

Originally Posted by Alkatraz

This small part basically sums up my entire arguement.

So many people jumped on this without knowing all the facts with the sole intent of slandering GTM. That is the only reason that I argued it this far. Everyone disagreed with me that there was potentially nothing legally wrong with a restocking fee and jumped on the 'bash GTM' bandwagon.

The fact that you are happy to lay blame and make an absolute decision that a refund is due without even knowing all of the details, just rams this point home. Even though I am one of the people currently being screwed over by the delays, I am sill able to look at this objectively and say that GTM have potentially done nothing wrong. I would have done things differently but in the end that is completely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by MMC Racing

As long as you have proven all this to yourself, nothing else really matters.

Originally Posted by Alkatraz

And once again, the entire point has been missed....

I've had enough, I cant compete with such amazing sarcasm skills. I'll leave you guys to sue each other over fatal peanut overdoses.

P.S. how are things going for you over in the Carb Certified Supercharger thread?

Originally Posted by Alkatraz

So GTM jumped on this without knowing all the facts with the sole intent of slandering themselves.

Originally Posted by Dzel

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Originally Posted by Alkatraz

What ever happened to your "F$&k you all, F$&K GTM, F$&K this forum, F$&K the police' comment...

I thought you said that you were done?