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theDreamer 04-23-2015 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3177071)
1) I know, but it only takes being unlucky once, and I'm afraid boost will be addicting and hard to stay off of

2) I believe the 7at should hold up fine with the Stillen kit since it's only going to make around 300 trq, even not counting the tranny upgrade, there's substantially higher costs

3) My concern is that not being mechanically knowledgeable car-wise, I'm not going to know what and how to check. Also, can someone tell me the maintenance differences between the 2? From what I understand, for the SC, it's just replacing the fluid once in a while.

The SC you have fluid, belt, intake filters, and with Stillen I am not sure but possibly a SC fluid filter. Also with Stillen they have the water box which will need to be maintained probably a bit for the water/air setup.

jwick 04-23-2015 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3177071)
3) My concern is that not being mechanically knowledgeable car-wise, I'm not going to know what and how to check. Also, can someone tell me the maintenance differences between the 2? From what I understand, for the SC, it's just replacing the fluid once in a while.

I'm not trying to offend you but if you are not very mechanically knowledgeable then boosting a factory NA car probably isn't the best idea. Once you boost a factory NA car you need to constantly monitor things to make sure nothing is off. I check oil, hose clamps, vacuum lines, etc every time prior to pulling the car out of the garage.

There is no 'other' turbo maintenance than what I mentioned above. You need to check for leaks (fluid/vacuum) and check all hoses/etc to make sure nothing is damaged (cut/dry rotted/heat damaged/etc.). The turbo gets it's oil/water cooling feed from the same places the engine does so when you change oil you are 'servicing' the turbo.

Edit - If you want a low maintenance boosted car get one that is done that way from the factory

theDreamer 04-23-2015 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3177180)
I'm not trying to offend you but if you are not very mechanically knowledgeable then boosting a factory NA car probably isn't the best idea. Once you boost a factory NA car you need to constantly monitor things to make sure nothing is off. I check oil, hose clamps, vacuum lines, etc every time prior to pulling the car out of the garage.

There is no 'other' turbo maintenance than what I mentioned above. You need to check for leaks (fluid/vacuum) and check all hoses/etc to make sure nothing is damaged (cut/dry rotted/heat damaged/etc.). The turbo gets it's oil/water cooling feed from the same places the engine does so when you change oil you are 'servicing' the turbo.

Edit - If you want a low maintenance boosted car get one that is done that way from the factory

Even then factory turbo cars still can have all those issues or even more if the OEM did not get the properly level quality of parts.

jwick 04-23-2015 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3177186)
Even then factory turbo cars still can have all those issues or even more if the OEM did not get the properly level quality of parts.

True but they also have safety built in because the car was designed for all the extra heat. Take the GT-R for example. It has factory heat shielding around the turbos since they knew that extra heat would be there. That or they relocate items to an area without the heat. When you stick a turbo in that location on a Z there is no factory shielding protecting the things that can melt.

I completely agree that the manufacturer has to do their job in the original design. I was just pointing out that 'less' **** goes can go wrong on a factory boosted car.

theDreamer 04-23-2015 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3177203)
True but they also have safety built in because the car was designed for all the extra heat. Take the GT-R for example. It has factory heat shielding around the turbos since they knew that extra heat would be there. That or they relocate items to an area without the heat. When you stick a turbo in that location on a Z there is no factory shielding protecting the things that can melt.

I completely agree that the manufacturer has to do their job in the original design. I was just pointing out that 'less' **** goes can go wrong on a factory boosted car.

Very true and with a factory car (depending on when you buy it) there is a warranty to help cover some oh sh!t things that can occur.

jwick 04-23-2015 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3177206)
Very true and with a factory car (depending on when you buy it) there is a warranty to help cover some oh sh!t things that can occur.

Warranty???

Oh you mean that thing I threw out before my first oil change:rofl2:

theDreamer 04-23-2015 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3177210)
Warranty???

Oh you mean that thing I threw out before my first oil change:rofl2:

:bowrofl:
I kept mine for a good 10 months.

brucelidat 04-23-2015 01:11 PM

I am open to learning. It would seem, though, that the SC kit would be easier to inspect since it has less parts and is less complicated. I should try to find someone local with each to see if I can get a ride in.

EVOHUNTER 04-23-2015 01:22 PM

If your planning on running the stillen kit with there tune, To keep it CARB legal.

its going to be a huge waste of money. You'll put down like 330WHP (I put down 291 before the kit, 329 with stillen kit and there tune hahahah). itll run like **** too.

If your going with a custom tune, then ok. but it wont be CARB after that lol.

theDreamer 04-23-2015 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3177222)
If your planning on running the stillen kit with there tune, To keep it CARB legal.

its going to be a huge waste of money. You'll put down like 330WHP (I put down 291 before the kit, 329 with stillen kit and there tune hahahah). itll run like **** too.

If your going with a custom tune, then ok. but it wont be CARB after that lol.

Not living in Cali, but can they check that (the tune)?
Say you get flagged and you show them your CARB cert can they say you are running a modified tune which is not CARB legal?

brucelidat 04-23-2015 01:29 PM

I would get a custom tune. I figure I could get a map for smog testing or find someone to pass me if I have to. The CARB sticker, though, would keep me from having issued with cops if I were to get pulled over. Besides, I heard they changed smog testing in California to be just checking for codes and maybe the sniffer test.

jwick 04-23-2015 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3177212)
I am open to learning. It would seem, though, that the SC kit would be easier to inspect since it has less parts and is less complicated. I should try to find someone local with each to see if I can get a ride in.

By all means ask questions. We all did the same thing when we got prepared to go FI. It's better to be educated then make an uneducated decision. That can get pricey and frustrating. :tup:

Plus we're all gear heads and love to help out.

VSS370z 04-23-2015 02:40 PM

:iagree: I didn't know much about turbos and **** but once i decided to go force induction with the Z i pretty much had most if not all the knowledge from all the guys here. All you need to do is ask away people will help you here! :tup:

Pro4Jackster 04-24-2015 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3177022)
If I was to go turbo, it would be the Fast Intentions kit.

The drawbacks of turbo vs SC for me are:
1. no CARB sticker

2. Much higher cost, I have a 7at so tranny upgrade is needed also

3. turbos are much more complicated meaning a lot more potential for small things to go wrong or get loose, etc. which means more maintenance (I am a novice who doesn't know much about this stuff so it would be to the shop for me)

4. I have never driven a boosted car, but am told that until I am pressing the throttle down pretty hard, no boost will be made which means I will only be getting the power when I am accelerating hard whereas with SC, I am always getting some boost at all levels.

It looks like you have been working towards getting a supercharger from day 1 (Live in Cali, bought a 7at, 4.08 FD, headers and full exhaust). Supercharger seems like the next logical step for this car. Especially if/when Uprev gets enough control over VVEL to take advantage of the extra exhaust flow. People are going to recommend you to go back to stock exhaust manifolds and cats, but I would never do it. Not for the few horsepower Stillen says you'll gain back. It's cheap and easy to just add more CFM instead (pulley down, or impeller swap).

Take your time deciding. Both SC and Turbo cars are fast. When you compare apples to apples, they both get the job done (And by apples to apples, I mean comparing a 450 whp SC car to a 450 whp turbo car). But, they both have very different characteristics. Find a way to drive both, or at least ride in both. I did not. I had the Stillen first on my HR. Then later drove a Single Turbo Z and realized I made the wrong choice. Educate yourself on the differences and how they both work. That way, no matter which one you choose, you can set it up the right way the first time.

Team_STILLEN 04-24-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3177222)
If your planning on running the stillen kit with there tune, To keep it CARB legal.

its going to be a huge waste of money. You'll put down like 330WHP (I put down 291 before the kit, 329 with stillen kit and there tune hahahah). itll run like **** too.

If your going with a custom tune, then ok. but it wont be CARB after that lol.

While I understand your need to bash the kit, making a generic statement like that is a bit facetious. I don't recall when you installed your kit, but we have done a lot of tune refining over the past year and a half. We consistently see in the 390-430 whp range. When the power levels are lower than that we examine the tune with out customer and make adjustment (both in California and outside). We have even developed regional tunes to account for climate, altitude, and fuel quality differences.

At the time your Kit was purchased we may not have provided that same tuning support we do now. Our head tuner spends a lot of time updating the tunes and making it the best it can be. Yes, a 100% custom tune is usually ideal as every car and place is different. A lot of our customers who get the turn key kit are getting tailored tunes for their car upon install because we are still developing our regional tune profile and improving this constantly.

I apologize you had a bad experience, but things do change and we are working to make the kit as good as it can be out of the box without too much tuning required.


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