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redline727 01-23-2013 05:52 PM

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If the OP really wants to be confused look at the BMW twin turbo V8 they reversed the traditional setup of the intake and exhaust ports for a V setup. They have the exhaust on the inside where an intake manifold would be and the intake on the outside where exhaust manifolds and turbos would traditionally be. There are a few variants of this engine used now but the setup is the same. You'll find engines like this in and X5 X6 550 650 750 M5/M6

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JC671 01-25-2013 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by G0DZ1LLA (Post 2123402)
Sorry, hope I didn't just go full retard:ughdance:

LOL... Bro I think you went "Simple Jack" on us.


Your username is Godzilla which in return is the nickname for the infamous "GTR Skyline". Yet you drive a 2000 Celica!?
Who goes to a Z forum who owns a 2K Celica? Unles you plan to own a Z in the future, it seems as though your just here trolling.
:shakes head:

Sh0velMan 01-25-2013 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by redline727 (Post 2127000)
If the OP really wants to be confused look at the BMW twin turbo V8 they reversed the traditional setup of the intake and exhaust ports for a V setup. They have the exhaust on the inside where an intake manifold would be and the intake on the outside where exhaust manifolds and turbos would traditionally be. There are a few variants of this engine used now but the setup is the same. You'll find engines like this in and X5 X6 550 650 750 M5/M6

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I didn't know the new BMW powerplant was reverse flow.. Didn't think there were ANY production vehicles set up this way.

Pretty awesome setup, imo.

7419sundat 01-25-2013 04:13 PM

Ford's 6.7l diesel is also setup like this.

redline727 01-25-2013 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2129557)
I didn't know the new BMW powerplant was reverse flow.. Didn't think there were ANY production vehicles set up this way.

Pretty awesome setup, imo.

Yeah it's pretty sweet. It first debuted in the 2008 X6 then in the 750. And still used now just minor variations. There is the N63 and S63 engines ranging in power from 402hp 440tq like in first N63 motor I pictured before up to 550hp 500tq in the S63 variant in the M5/M6 pictured below. Then there is the N74 which is the twin turbo V12 found in the 760 and the Rolls Royce Ghost but that motor isn't reverse flow

G0DZ1LLA 01-25-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JC671 (Post 2129405)
LOL... Bro I think you went "Simple Jack" on us.


Your username is Godzilla which in return is the nickname for the infamous "GTR Skyline". Yet you drive a 2000 Celica!?
Who goes to a Z forum who owns a 2K Celica? Unles you plan to own a Z in the future, it seems as though your just here trolling.
:shakes head:

Get off my ***, If you would look in the Introduction forum you'll find my post and story. Don't judge me unless you know more about me. :tiphat:

asdfsammich 01-26-2013 01:51 AM

I knew this thread would go full Fabio eventually.


Tapatalk & such etc

Jmazz 01-31-2013 01:55 AM

The answer is 27.

Jordo! 01-31-2013 03:36 AM

Exhaust gas driven turbines (turbos) are spooled via exhaust gas, typically mounted closer to the exhaust manifold, and then forces compressed air into the intake manifold.

Belt driven turbines or compressors (superchargers) are typically mounted near the intake, and also force compressed air into the intake manifold.

Both typically have additional plumbing to a heat exchanger to cool the compressed air.

Both will increase air ingestion by the motor and therefore require more fuel in order to maintain combustion and power the engine. Additionally, some extra fuel may be needed to cool the charge and quench excess heat in the engine that can cause detonation and damage.

Is that what you mean???

TopgunZ 02-01-2013 09:21 AM

With the question asked..as confusing as it is. I think the real question is what are your future goals/plans? What do you want out of a FI system?

You must be asking the forum for a reason other than the fact you want to know the difference between turbo A and turbo A.

But im sorry, The fact that you said your a walking book of car knowledge but then asked if forcing air into an engine changes its CR makes you sound completely ra-tarded.

JMac88 02-01-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by redline727 (Post 2127000)
If the OP really wants to be confused look at the BMW twin turbo V8 they reversed the traditional setup of the intake and exhaust ports for a V setup. They have the exhaust on the inside where an intake manifold would be and the intake on the outside where exhaust manifolds and turbos would traditionally be. There are a few variants of this engine used now but the setup is the same. You'll find engines like this in and X5 X6 550 650 750 M5/M6

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This seems like it would be great from a servicing aspect. Think of how easy it would be to get at those turbos

redline727 02-02-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JMac88 (Post 2142616)
This seems like it would be great from a servicing aspect. Think of how easy it would be to get at those turbos

You would think. It actually is still a big job. I have actually written up quite a few for replacement under warranty. The twin turbo v8 that's in the X5 750 and 550 has an aux water pump that is just for cooling the turbos. There was a recall on the aux water pump for not being efficient enough. Even with the recall for some cars the damage has already been done and the turbos suffer from bad seals bc of the added heat and the turbos leak oil. So the turbos position make it easy to notice and diagnose but replacing them still takes prob 5 hours working straight through. We are wondering if BMW will extend the warranty on the turbos beyond the cars manufactures warranty bc if not when these cars come out of warranty, that job would cost the customer just about $6500 I know it's over $5k just in parts alone to replace them


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