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esfourteen 01-14-2013 10:27 AM

There was no reason for any bearing failure so soon after install with 500whp and a safe tune, and oil temps were never over 220. Regardless I can't prove the stillen pulley did anything nor am I going to attempt to, there are other reasons not to use it (it galvanizes and bonds itself to your crank over time), use it at your own risk.

From what I read about the Jun exhaust cams, the profile was not designed for boosted applications, I would be interested in seeing a before and after on the same car with boost though.

I have some disappointing news, the machine shop never decked the block (they try to avoid it if possible apparently) and one of the techs discovered a small gouge in the surface of the block at the very edge of the cylinder and the risk for head gasket failure is too high so the block is going back to the machine shop. They will have to disassemble the block, deck it, and reassemble.

The ETA is 2 weeks from them, which is pushing my build completion into mid February :ugh: :mad:

esfourteen 01-14-2013 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SharpByCoop (Post 2106261)
One of the things that is mysterious is the reuse of the cam controllers. According to Nissan you can't. According to others you can, but there is some secret or trick to the timing?

I ended up purchasing new @ $1600. :( What do you know and plan on?

Thanks.

Coop

the VVEL controllers can be reused, this has been proven, I'll be reusing mine.

GaleForce 01-14-2013 11:23 AM

At least two weeks for more updates... Nooooooo!!!

esfourteen 01-14-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2110432)
At least two weeks for more updates... Nooooooo!!!

i know I'm so bummed =( what can you do though, I'll always take a delay if it means reliability.

GaleForce 01-14-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2110464)
i know I'm so bummed =( what can you do though, I'll always take a delay if it means reliability.

Exactly. Better they "do it right", now. :tup:

DIGItonium 01-14-2013 12:37 PM

How much experience does this shop has when it comes to building VQ blocks?

esfourteen 01-14-2013 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 2110574)
How much experience does this shop has when it comes to building VQ blocks?

quite a lot, actually

GaleForce 01-14-2013 05:17 PM

Isn't this the same shop that built Mr.Squeeze's motor? :tup:

esfourteen 01-14-2013 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2111326)
Isn't this the same shop that built Mr.Squeeze's motor? :tup:

squeeze had his engine machined and built by someone he knows, but this shop did the install

DIGItonium 01-14-2013 08:21 PM

Oh ok gotcha. Hope everything goes well. My hopes and dreams with this car is pushed far out... just part of being a new home owner for the past 6 months lol.

BTW, did you check up on the condition of your OEM components?

GaleForce 01-14-2013 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2111338)
squeeze had his engine machined and built by someone he knows, but this shop did the install

:tup:

Z eliminator 01-15-2013 06:37 AM

Next nice day of weather im will be taking the car out for a drive will take Gale Force for tewt spin in my car.

Z

esfourteen 02-02-2013 11:18 PM

Finally, an update! The Z is alive and running strong! The guys at Real Auto Dynamics did an amazing job. Big big big shout out to the crew there: Alex, Rodney and Josh took care of my car like it was their own. The entire engine building process is incredibly nerve wracking, having a team that really knows the VQ made me much more confident about pulling the trigger. I was really impressed with their attention to detail on the install, I installed the TT kit myself and I am extremely anal about people working on my car (thanks for putting up with me guys).

For startup the shop recommended using amsoil engine break-in oil and a pre-luber (pressurized tank that shoots oil inside the engine coating everything). We started the car and ran it at 2000-2500rpm for 20 minutes while monitoring water and oil temps. After that we drained the oil and changed the filter, filled it with non-synthetic 5w30 and I took her home for the rest of the break in. Right now I'm at about 330miles and she runs incredibly smooth, for the first 300 miles she saw no boost, light load at various rpms letting the engine decel. I finally started boosting a bit tonight, still staying under 5krpm for now and I can't stop smiling. You can't tell this engine is built at all, it sounds and drives smoother than stock (this is why balancing the full rotating assembly is key!).

A small side note about the Z1 motormounts, theres a slight vibration felt in the cabin but it is extremely minimal and WELL worth the benefit of these stiffer mounts. I highly recommend them.

Heres just a few pictures from the last few days:

http://i.imgur.com/0q69crV.jpg

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...72683155_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...53225155_n.jpg

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...26340107_n.jpg


http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...66805790_n.jpg


Squeeze stopped by to show off his racelogic traction control (sh!ts no joke), built and boosted brothers!

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...68882617_n.jpg

GaleForce 02-02-2013 11:32 PM

I'll have to get in contact with these guys for my build. Glad to hear you're satisfied.

esfourteen 02-02-2013 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2145157)
I'll have to get in contact with these guys for my build. Glad to hear you're satisfied.

It was a rough couple of months not being able to drive the Z, I haven't stopped smiling. If you're interested in building give them a shout, they have my old short block there that I was going to put up for sale at some point. Congrats on the BP kit btw! I envy your very short install time :tup:

GaleForce 02-02-2013 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2145171)
It was a rough couple of months not being able to drive the Z, I haven't stopped smiling. If you're interested in building give them a shout, they have my old short block there that I was going to put up for sale at some point. Congrats on the BP kit btw! I envy your very short install time :tup:

That's good to know about the short block. I was thinking this would be the way I would need to do it. Find a block, get some one to build it. Then take a "vacation" to get it installed. That way I shouldn't get jammed at the boarder too badly.

The BP kit is a simple install. I could do another in a long weekend easy.

Ron 04-07-2013 12:50 PM

A little late to the party, congrats on the build! Everything looks amazing. I am getting ready to start mine too and I am getting tons of info from this, Digi's and Mr.Squeeze's threads.

What coatings did you use on the pistons? Did you do anything to the rods? Sorry if you already mentioned it and I missed it.

Dzel 04-07-2013 01:24 PM

Nice bro waiting to see what she'll do with some more boost!

roplusbee 04-07-2013 02:23 PM

Congats dude. Hopefully, I won't be too far behind you with my build.

DIGItonium 04-07-2013 04:34 PM

Rougly a couple of months is not bad at all. Man I'd love to ship my car over there to have them build it up someday :)

Isamu 04-07-2013 04:51 PM

hey man, pm me.. I have some questions and stuff.. I have some things that need doing

esfourteen 04-07-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 2255059)
A little late to the party, congrats on the build! Everything looks amazing. I am getting ready to start mine too and I am getting tons of info from this, Digi's and Mr.Squeeze's threads.

What coatings did you use on the pistons? Did you do anything to the rods? Sorry if you already mentioned it and I missed it.

Thanks Ron, honestly I don't know what specific coating was used as the machine shop took care of it directly, but I can find out for you. I didn't do anything to the rods at all.

I finally got to put it on the dyno and saw I was quickly running out of fuel up top past ~530whp. We ended up installing an aeromotive 340lph pump and a fuel return kit from CJM, didn't hook up a vacuum source to the regulator but right now I have plenty of fuel (needs a retune), put down 561hp/550tq at ~12psi.

roplusbee 04-07-2013 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2255296)
Thanks Ron, honestly I don't know what specific coating was used as the machine shop took care of it directly, but I can find out for you. I didn't do anything to the rods at all.

I finally got to put it on the dyno and saw I was quickly running out of fuel up top past ~530whp. We ended up installing an aeromotive 340lph pump and a fuel return kit from CJM, didn't hook up a vacuum source to the regulator but right now I have plenty of fuel (needs a retune), put down 561hp/550tq at ~12psi.

Nice numbers. Which injectors did you end up with? I may follow your motor build as well. Omar@UPREV suggested that I use a shop in SanAntonio that he uses for all of their VQ customers.

Damn........Ron beat me to it again......lol.

Ron 04-07-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2255296)
Thanks Ron, honestly I don't know what specific coating was used as the machine shop took care of it directly, but I can find out for you. I didn't do anything to the rods at all.

I finally got to put it on the dyno and saw I was quickly running out of fuel up top past ~530whp. We ended up installing an aeromotive 340lph pump and a fuel return kit from CJM, didn't hook up a vacuum source to the regulator but right now I have plenty of fuel (needs a retune), put down 561hp/550tq at ~12psi.

Thanks Nick! Good too know about the fuel return system, thanks for sharing. That tq number is really high! What exhaust are you running? are you peaking at low rpms and then falling down?

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Originally Posted by roplusbee (Post 2255319)
Nice numbers. Which injectors did you end up with? I may follow your motor build as well. Omar@UPREV suggested that I use a shop in SanAntonio that he uses for all of their VQ customers.

Damn........Ron beat me to it again......lol.

I haven't started Rob. I am on the researching phase, that takes a while. You can still beat me lol.

esfourteen 04-07-2013 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 2255403)
Thanks Nick! Good too know about the fuel return system, thanks for sharing. That tq number is really high! What exhaust are you running? are you peaking at low rpms and then falling down?

yup, its basically a back pressure issue. I have the .86 AR housings, berk test pipes and AAM 2.5" exhaust. I'm going to see what we can do with tuning before upgrading the exhaust though.

GaleForce 04-07-2013 06:50 PM

Now I'm thinking I should do a FRS sooner than later.

esfourteen 04-07-2013 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee (Post 2255319)
Nice numbers. Which injectors did you end up with? I may follow your motor build as well. Omar@UPREV suggested that I use a shop in SanAntonio that he uses for all of their VQ customers.

I'm running bosch EV-14 650cc injectors right now, but I have a set of DW 850cc going in soon.

Ron 04-07-2013 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2255424)
yup, its basically a back pressure issue. I have the .86 AR housings, berk test pipes and AAM 2.5" exhaust. I'm going to see what we can do with tuning before upgrading the exhaust though.

I figured that's what it was. Must be a real kick in the butt, all that torque down low, helloooo wheelspin! :icon17:

esfourteen 04-07-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2255427)
Now I'm thinking I should do a FRS sooner than later.

probably a good idea, but I'd be curious to see how far a hardwired aeromotive 340 pump would go before running out up top.

Ron 04-07-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2255427)
Now I'm thinking I should do a FRS sooner than later.

nah man, don't get a scion! :rofl2:

GaleForce 04-07-2013 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 2255444)
nah man, don't get a scion! :rofl2:

:icon18:

GaleForce 04-07-2013 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2255441)
probably a good idea, but I'd be curious to see how far a hardwired aeromotive 340 pump would go before running out up top.

I thought you tried that already?

esfourteen 04-07-2013 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2255454)
I thought you tried that already?

nope I only had a walbro 255 hardwired, the aeromotive might be enough depending on HP goals

Ron 04-07-2013 07:04 PM

I think the issue is the 650cc injectors. Not the pump or the lack of a return system. I am on the same 650cc injectors and they were close to maxing out at 530ish rwhp. Wonder what the result would be with the 255lph and say 850cc injectors.

esfourteen 04-07-2013 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 2255461)
I think the issue is the 650cc injectors. Not the pump or the lack of a return system. I am on the same 650cc injectors and they were close to maxing out at 530ish rwhp. Wonder what the result would be with the 255lph and say 850cc injectors.

its possible its related but FI ran into the same issue around 550whp, they had to compensate by adding more fuel up top

GaleForce 04-07-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 2255458)
nope I only had a walbro 255 hardwired, the aeromotive might be enough depending on HP goals

Oh, I saw the 340 at the start of your thread and assumed that's what you started with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron (Post 2255461)
I think the issue is the 650cc injectors. Not the pump or the lack of a return system. I am on the same 650cc injectors and they were close to maxing out at 530ish rwhp. Wonder what the result would be with the 255lph and say 850cc injectors.

Hmm, knowing that, I'll definitely wait and see. I'm using 750cc injectors with the 340lph fuel pump. I'll be getting tuned soon and will post up the info in a separate thread.

SS_Firehawk 04-07-2013 07:17 PM

I don't know why I'm not subbed yet. I click here every damn day lol.

Boosted Performance 04-07-2013 07:25 PM

The 255lph fuel pumps have a limit of abot 500-550whp (on the VQ35/37 engines), depending on the dyno. I don't know why any forced induction kit would use those pumps these days when the 340lph fuel pumps are available everywhere. IMO it is a bad way to keep the kit cost down.

esfourteen 04-07-2013 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 2255483)
The 255lph fuel pumps have a limit of abot 500-550whp (on the VQ35/37 engines), depending on the dyno. I don't know why any forced induction kit would use those pumps these days when the 340lph fuel pumps are available everywhere. IMO it is a bad way to keep the kit cost down.

agreed, I wish I had known about the aeromotive stealth pump last year when I originally installed the kit. an added benefit of this pump is in its name, its so quiet!

98intrigue 04-07-2013 08:18 PM

Damn, Nick! Those are some killer numbers at 12psi. What are you looking to run once you get retuned? I hope you say 15-16psi...would love to see what those turbos can do.


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