:icon18: I hope you remembered that you can wear them inside out. :tup:

commando... just sayin..... :icon14:

Reversal of the two tone? Great now the yellow will be in the back and the brown will be in the front:roflpuke2:

Right. Plus when it's raining I really don't feel like driving my car. That just means I have to clean it like a mofo again.

I hope to have a few kits ready for you guys by May.

As I am sure you know, it is difficult working if you don't have: "a business with a brick and mortar facility with bona fide business hours, phone number, e-mail address and fax number"

On that note, I have noticed that some of vendors here are scared of the recent surge of competition (with better products) in the forced induction market. So I thought I should address some of the "shots" being taken around here.

1)Crash bar: In order to produce the power a BP kit is capable, it is important to have a good cooling system. A part of a good cooling system is a large core intercooler. With the 67mm turbo, capable of delivering 93lbs/min of air flow (rated at 935HP), a tiny (or two) intercooler just does not cut it. Of course, in order to fit a properly sized intercooler, the OEM crash bar has to be removed. A rather simple concept.

2) Manual gearbox: The kit is build to work with the manual gearbox only, but in the future will be made to also work with the autmatic transmission. Again, I am working with limited resources up here..:)

3)With the BP kit, you do not need to drop $3,000 for a turbo upgrade because the engine has to come out. To upgrade/service any of the components on the kit, you just need a floor jack and some stands. If that isn't value in the long run, I don't know what is. The initial install cost also makes up for any up front cost difference there may be between this, and other turbo kits.

If you wish to upgrade turbine housings (allowing you to tune for more boost/power) it will take about two hours to upgrade the turbine housing, and cost $250 in parts. Again, value.

A complete turbo upgrade will take even less time.

On top of that, it is still very much a complete kit, with an oil cooler, oil pan spacer, large injectors, large fuel pump..ect.

4)Exhaust compatibility. The BP kit is built to work with one of the best, and most common exhaust systems on the market...the F.I dual cat back. In the near future, Berk exhaust will be added to that list, and it is the second most common exhaust system for this platform. The kit also works with the OEM exhaust, and I am confident that it will flow enough to support 500whp.

5)The BP kit is built to work with all OEM components left intact. There is no need to remove any of the vital OEM components. This makes the kit straight forward to install, and non invasive. Because of this, the kit can be easily removed if needed, and one would never be able to tell anything was ever done to the car. No need to drill/tapp/cut anything.

This is a concept the competition is just now catching up on, even after 26 years of being in this business.


6)Emissions...I am not sure how many purchase a forced induction kit rated for a magical 1000hp, only to run catalytic converters, and limit that power to half.


7)Clutch...In order to remove the transmission on a car with a BP turbo kit, the installer had to remove the turbo, and then the maniflold. In order to remove the turbo, there is one T-bolt clamp, one V-band clamp and 4 bolts on the turbine. After that, it is the same as removing the catalytics/down pipe from a TT kit. This will add about 30min of labor, on a job that may need to be done once every 40k?


8)A BP kit comes with only the best, most proven components on the market. Tial BOV(s), Tial waste gates, Precision billet turbos...ect. These components are what makes a solid, reliable turbo kit where customers are looking for long term use, and the most value out of the system.

These are not chines turbos, BOV's and wastegates that will fail if pushed. APS (Air Powered Systems) has attempted this before (to reduce cost) on the 350z, and has earned a bad reputation, using cheaper turbos that were built in factories overseas. With other contributing factors, APS as a company no longer sells anything in North America.


9)Power under the curve= fun...something that is thrown around here often. This topic has a lot to do with the tuner. For example, a BP kit will make 10psi of boost at 3600rpm, as you have seen on the prototype dyno. However, max torque (400ft/tq in this case/safe tune) is not reached till about 4,200rpm. This is a direct function of the tune/tuner. Sure we could have made 400+ft/tq at 3600rpm by going very agressive on the tune, and having it come on very fast. But what is the point? Traction is an issue with these cars to begin with, the strain on the engine/drivetrain is amplified, and the risk to engine damage increases.

So, when comparing dyno numbers/area under the curve, it is best to look at the third party results (although for competitors kits these are next to impossible to find). This is what we did with the prototype, as it was tuned by Specialty Z, during a group tune...where safety and durability were the main driving factors. So take note of this next time you see a manufacturers dyno, and compare it to one a customer posts where a third party tuner was involved. A case where the tuner does not want to cause engine damage to a customers car.

There are other things mentioned, but IMO they are just not worth responding to. Useless facts are just that, useless.

Sooooo:stirthepot:

Wow , its getting hot in here . Have a brew by my side and popcorn in the microwave ...

:iagree::stirthepot:

Why is there a need to bash a company that is trying something new and unique because you may lose a possible sale? I just don't get it. We all love these cars, that's why we are this forum. I'm looking at value and reliability of the kit. I'm not going to drop another 10k on a POS turbo kit...cough...cough...sts...cough.. Trust me when another company bashes a competitor that doesn't help swing me to their side for my next FI option.
Hell if I can drop 14k on a new engine and 9k(BP) on a 900+hp system that I can install on a weekend. Easy choice on that one.

I am glad Sasha stepped up a defended his product, as I know he does not like making those posts. I was kind of shocked to see those comments in another thread.

I just want to touch on "power under the curve" comment since its my car as a prototype. When I talked to the guys at specialty z, they advised me not to exceed 400 ft/lbs of torque. This keeps things safe and reliable. I am sure someone out there will push this kit :)

I should also meantion there was nothing done with the gain. To me 3600 rpm is perfect to help with traction problems, but I am sure someone could have the boost come on quicker if they wish.

You will get all the advertising you need once 1/4 mile times and dyno runs start popping up on here once winter ends. That will start the word of mouth and I'm sure it will blow up for you. Gotta remember that it is really only a small group of us on this forum (even less who use it actively) and numbers will go much further than the bashing and bullying they been doing.

It is sad, but this is how low some are willing to go to sell their product. All this started when I came on board with a legitimate turbo kit that had many advantages over the one (monopoly) turbo kit available on the market at that time.

It was clear that they were intimidated by essentially a one man show, which is again sad. How can a shop with a 26 year history and infinite wisdom be intimidated by some guy working out of an igloo in Canada? That just gives me confidence in my product, and the fact that it is able to compete with anything else on the market…and then some.

Now that F.I has come out with a great twin turbo kit with fantastic quality and proven components, some are really feeling the heat, to the point where they are re-engineering everything. Again, it shows that even they recognize the quality of product competition is putting out on the market.


Thanks for the support James, and yes it took a bit of time before I decided to "get in to it". I feel like my products and support speak for themselves.

I love the simplicity of the kit. Overall it's great.
One thing I do wish is for these tuners to quit holding back these cars. 420 torque was the standard for the DE motors. These motors r stout and hold a lot better than DE. I'm at 50" torque and max torque doesn't kick in til 5k rpm. 8k miles and 12 lbs later the ride is running like a beast.
I certainly hope someone actually puts this turbo to good use. Longevity I understand but never know what might happen out on the road. I'd prefer to drive my FI car the way it was meant than to hold it back so much for a few more miles on it.

You have to look at it from a business/reputatino point of view. If a tuner has an engine pop on him on the dyno, or soon after the word will get around. As a result the business can fall off, because in this industry it only takes one bad tune. Reliability and longevity goes a long way.

Just the way it is.

Yup, and it doesnt even have to be due to the tune. The blame will always fall back to the tuner, atleast initially. Even years down the road I have people call me up asking why their truck is acting funny, everyone immediately assumes its the tune. Im not sure if its just easiest to blame something that you do not fully understand or what, but it is indeed a tightrope walk.

I'm glad I went to a great tuner :)
I'm all for safety n all but when DE motor is rated for 420 and these motors are stronger than DE and the tuner keeps it at 400 for "safety" that just doesn't seem right to me. A good tuner will give u the best of both worlds.
Just my 2 cents. Good luck with the kit Sasha, hope to see some around South Florida

I think the quality of this kit stands on it's own fine up against anything out there. The real differentiator is the service both before and after the sale. I can't tell you how many times I emailed Sasha back and forth about unique aspects of my build that didn't even necessarily pertain directly to the turbo kit and he was always prompt and courteous. During my install there were two very minor issues with the parts and he actually compensated me for those small issues, reducing what I'm sure is already a fairly small profit margin. If you are one of the few folks with his kit on your car, you are a lucky man/woman.

I'm tuned at 431 torque right now. I've only been driving it for a week but it hasn't blown up yet...lol!!

Lol, if ur confident in ur tuner and he's a good tuner for the VQ motors that will hold for a very veerrryyy long time!:driving:

I can't wait to see this beast on the 30th!!! Ugh choices choices

Mine held with over 400tq for at least 12k miles and it was an AT7. It's all about how much you abuse it.

How u treat the car also plays a role in it. That being said I beat on my car a lot actually. More before when it was brand new and the power made my adrenaline pump. Now I still beat on it and go to certain street hang outs for street racing but not as often as before. My motor has held up strong so far and I have absolute peace of mind when I turn my car on. Sees full boost everytime.

With a good install, tune, and a responsible right foot this car will go a long way. Now if ur bumpin off the rev limiter and hittin full boost from one red light to the next, nothing will last you.

My point exactly. It shows more class to congratulate someone on their success and design than to bash what they have put their heart soul into. They way you and Tony complement each other on your kits, show true class. Everyone will choice what they fell is best for them and their needs in the long run. In the words of the great Ron Burgundy..." You stay classy..":tup:

Of course. Hell my tires didn't stop spinning even when the car was turn off when I first when FI. As time went on and buying tires made me realize I needed to chill out. Plus after awhile, the thrill wears off.....a little not much but just a little.

Thank you...I have spoken with Tony a few times now, and have nothing but good things to say about him, and the way he is going about things. Like me, he knows the importance of having a quality product on the market, and perhaps even more impotantly great customer service.

I can tell you from the feedback from my customers, support is #1. This is something I take pride in...:

Just some of the feedback my customers have left me on the other forum, where I have sold over 50 turbo systems in the last 4 years.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...pseda8cf11.jpg

I should also mention that the F.I exhausts are available to purchase with the next batch of kits...for those that do not have one yet :).

damn you!!! Ugh and I thought I knew which kit I was going to buy....Thanks:p

:iagree:

:tiphat: to you and Tony

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I have noticed a couple of post by randrom members here (not in this thread) that the 19 row oil cooler that comes standard with this kit is on the smallish side.

I have now sourced a 30 row oil cooler for those that wish to go that route. This will be an upgrade option at $75.

It will provide all the oil cooling one could ask for.

Updated the visitor page as well with this:



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Complete twin scroll kit: $7,450 + paypal fee

Tuner kit: $6,500 + paypal fee (includes everything listed except fuel pump, injectors and UpRev)

-Precision 6266 750hp twin scroll turbo, T4 1.0 a/r turbine housing
-Large vertical flow intercooler (25”x9”x3.5” core)
-750cc Bosch EV14 fuel injectors with plug’n play pig tails
-340lph fuel pump (support up to 650whp)
-Exa 12V turbo scavenge pump
-Tial BOV
-Tial external waste gates
-UpRev tuner with base map
-3” down pipe (built to work with the F.I dual 2.5” exhaust system)
-Tig welded 6061 aluminum intercooler piping
-19 row oil cooler kit (30 row optional +$75)
-Stainless braid oil cooler lines -8an
-Stainless turbo oil return lines -6an
-OEM oil filter relocation kit
-JWT oil pan spacer
-GTR spark plugs
-Air filter
-Plug'n play scavenge pump harness
-304 stainless steel tig welded exhaust
-304 stainless brackets and hardware
-Instalation manual

Ball bearing option: $540
67mm 935HP turbo option (JB): $250
Injector upgrades available, up to 1100cc

Awesome, glad to hear, good news.

This kit just keeps sounding better and better. I can't wait!

Any opportunities to get a 7AT in the shop to R&D up to now?

:(

I am hoping something comes up this summer. We just got a foot of snow, so nobody is driving a Z around for a while...this will stick around for another month at least.

Hell I'll drive mine up there for a month to let you R&D if you'll let me drive away with the kit no questions asked...

:rolleyes:



:bowrofl: :tup:

Dont say that, lol.

I've been trying to find video's on youtube with this kit installed on our cars with revs and flyby's, i'm interested to hear how they sound.

Here is a quick audio clip I took before I parked for winter. Its not the best but I can assure you that with the FI non res it sounds mean. It is very deep at idle (not loud just very deep) and then wines out nicely on the top.

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ml#post2002118

wow that sounds pretty nice, thanks for posting that for me. Even though there are so many kits on the market right now to choose from i still favor this one mainly due to easy install, great numbers and sound enen though FI has a pretty stout kit themselves.

No problem, once the snow melts I hope to get a bunch more videos. I can tell you it sounds even more mean with the larger injectors and a tune (that sound clip was on a stock tune with stock injectors). I really dont have much time on Sasha's kit yet, but all you have to do is look back to his 350Z kits to know what your getting.

FI's kit is also very nice, just a bit more pricey.

These cars do sound great with the combination of a twin scroll turbine and the F.I non resonated axle back exhaust system. The car is a lot like stock while cruising/highway driving. Once you get on it though, the note changes and the speedometer really starts to move.

Very much like an OEM turbo car, with much more potential.

The customer service, the quality of the components, and the completeness of the kit is enough reason to buy.