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Synack 04-19-2012 11:51 PM

Bout 30 mins ago right when we got on the highway :)

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Ron 04-20-2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert_K (Post 1674761)
Congrats! Good numbers!!! Now strap it to a dynojet to shut the unknowns from talking.

hehe :D

mhcoss 04-20-2012 12:24 AM

Those are some good numbers man!! Congrats! does it pin you in your seat?

Ron 04-20-2012 12:28 AM

Thank you! It does, but it would even more if I could find some traction lol.

I've got a couple of rattles here are there that I need to find and fix. Also I had to go with open dumps bc the recirc pipes did not line. I wanna get them on somehow, it's a bit too loud for my taste now. Can't hear the turbos once those wastegates open lol.

O&G 04-20-2012 02:12 AM

We can weld in a recirculating wastegate setup so you can hear the turbos more or we can extend the dump tubes out the side of the car and blow fire on everyone! ;) glad your happy. Car is truley amazing. Great setup.

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Dembflyr 04-20-2012 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1675014)
Thank you! It does, but it would even more if I could find some traction lol.

I've got a couple of rattles here are there that I need to find and fix. Also I had to go with open dumps bc the recirc pipes did not line. I wanna get them on somehow, it's a bit too loud for my taste now. Can't hear the turbos once those wastegates open lol.

Yeah, those damn pipes are gonna be the death of me. I have had the same problem with mine. Let me guess, driver side is no where close.

"all you have to do is tighten them from the top down". :rolleyes:

mhcoss 04-20-2012 06:51 AM

Well when yo uget a chance make some videos of your beast in action!

esfourteen 04-20-2012 09:56 AM

If you look at the compressor maps for the new GTX2863r turbos no one should be expecting them to outperform the GT2860r turbos at low boost levels. Where the GTX series shines is > 15psi, these things flow MUCH more air up top and are sort of like the equivalent of a gt2860r down low and a gt2871r up top.

There is basically more potential for power at higher boost without sacrificing spool/low end torque on lower boost, so you get the best of both worlds.

Congrats again Ron, I would be curious to see the dynojet numbers only because I know how much mustangs fluctuate.

Ron 04-20-2012 10:15 AM

Couldn't have said it better, thanks Nick. I'll get it on a dynojet as soon as we get the little quirks figured out.

Ron 04-20-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dembflyr (Post 1675140)
Yeah, those damn pipes are gonna be the death of me. I have had the same problem with mine. Let me guess, driver side is no where close.

"all you have to do is tighten them from the top down". :rolleyes:

Yeap miles away from where it is supposed to bolt up.

esfourteen 04-20-2012 11:25 AM

internal wastegates FTW =p

O&G 04-20-2012 11:38 AM

External wastegate FTW. GTX'S for the built motor. Nomnomnom. I wish i could get more peeps from this forum on this Mustang dyno so I can LOL at them.

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gurneyeagle 04-20-2012 12:22 PM

Congratulations on getting the car done Ron. :tup:

Best wishes that you are happy with it. Sorry I missed seeing it last night.

Nixlimited 04-20-2012 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O&G (Post 1675718)
External wastegate FTW.

:iagree: Internal WGs just can't flow enough air for built motor/high boost applications, and in my experience, EWGs with a good boost controller give you much finer control over the boost curve.

Robert_K 04-20-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 1675830)
:iagree: Internal WGs just can't flow enough air for built motor/high boost applications, and in my experience, EWGs with a good boost controller give you much finer control over the boost curve.

Internal WG flow just fine and Soon I'll show what they can do with a built VQ35DE. Plenty of power. :driving:

O&G 04-20-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_K (Post 1675836)
Internal WG flow just fine and Soon I'll show what they can do with a built VQ35DE. Plenty of power. :driving:

Can't wait!!

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esfourteen 04-20-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 1675830)
:iagree: Internal WGs just can't flow enough air for built motor/high boost applications, and in my experience, EWGs with a good boost controller give you much finer control over the boost curve.

over 20+psi of boost, yes that is likely the case. I've personally run the gt28rs at 18psi on internal wg without any issues at all. With a built engine these cars will produce 650+whp at those levels.

If you are shooting for over that with much more boost, then it might make sense, however I cant imagine many people are looking to go upwards of that, and yet so many run externals. They cost more, and as Ron has noticed, are a pain in the *** to install in our car if you want to recirc. Don't mean to derail, just my .02

Nixlimited 04-20-2012 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 1676116)
over 20+psi of boost, yes that is likely the case. I've personally run the gt28rs at 18psi on internal wg without any issues at all. With a built engine these cars will produce 650+whp at those levels.

If you are shooting for over that with much more boost, then it might make sense, however I cant imagine many people are looking to go upwards of that, and yet so many run externals. They cost more, and as Ron has noticed, are a pain in the *** to install in our car if you want to recirc. Don't mean to derail, just my .02

I have no issue with IWGs and I think at lower boost levels they are a good, cost-effective alternative, but when you start to push a ton of air through them they can become an issue since insufficient flow = boost creep = boom. And like I said, I still believe you can get more precise boost control with an EWG as compared to an IWG.

Notwithstanding, on a factory NA engine that isn't built with lower CR, an EWG is probably total overkill. On my old STi I ran between 28-30 PSI on a GT30R and an IWG absolutely wouldn't cut it.

SAM@GTM 04-20-2012 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1675560)
Yeap miles away from where it is supposed to bolt up.

No they are not lol. Jason sent me some pics and i told him what to do, i did not hear anything back from him so i assumed every thing went ok. Have him call me and we can sort it out for you. It has to work.

On anther note Congrats on completing you project and I'm glad you are enjoying it .

Sam

SAM@GTM 04-20-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 1676189)
I have no issue with IWGs and I think at lower boost levels they are a good, cost-effective alternative, but when you start to push a ton of air through them they can become an issue since insufficient flow = boost creep = boom. And like I said, I still believe you can get more precise boost control with an EWG as compared to an IWG.

Notwithstanding, on a factory NA engine that isn't built with lower CR, an EWG is probably total overkill. On my old STi I ran between 28-30 PSI on a GT30R and an IWG absolutely wouldn't cut it.

With the right preload and a good boost controller you can get some real good results out of the IWG. No dough EWG are better as the HP goals and boost demand increases. Here is a dyno graph of a car we just finished, it has our VQ37VHR stage one long block, Stage 2 turbo kit with internal waist gates running 16 psi, as you can see it does very well .


Nixlimited 04-20-2012 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 1676265)
With the right preload and a good boost controller you can get some real good results out of the IWG. No dough EWG are better as the HP goals and boost demand increases. Here is a dyno graph of a car we just finished, it has our VQ37VHR stage one long block, Stage 2 turbo kit with internal waist gates running 16 psi, as you can see it does very well.

Nice! :tiphat: What was the CR on that car?

SAM@GTM 04-20-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 1676407)
Nice! :tiphat: What was the CR on that car?

9.0:1

We will have a full write up on the car real soon, Too ******* busy

Sam

O&G 04-20-2012 06:48 PM

mmmmmmmmmm Long block :yum: nice numbers GTM. Can't wait to read up on all the goodies y'all put in there!

Ron 04-20-2012 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 1676209)
No they are not lol. Jason sent me some pics and i told him what to do, i did not hear anything back from him so i assumed every thing went ok. Have him call me and we can sort it out for you. It has to work.

On anther note Congrats on completing you project and I'm glad you are enjoying it .

Sam

He said he tried and could not get them to fit. That's when he asked me to bring the dump pipes so he could install those instead.

Robert_K 04-20-2012 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O&G (Post 1676470)
mmmmmmmmmm Long block :yum: nice numbers GTM. Can't wait to read up on all the goodies y'all put in there!

Dooo eeet! :tup:

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Mr.Squeeze 04-21-2012 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 1676265)
With the right preload and a good boost controller you can get some real good results out of the IWG. No dough EWG are better as the HP goals and boost demand increases. Here is a dyno graph of a car we just finished, it has our VQ37VHR stage one long block, Stage 2 turbo kit with internal waist gates running 16 psi, as you can see it does very well .



Nice number on this car good job :tup:

I cant wait to get my kit that's some good motivation right there.

Op congrat's on the completed project enjoy the car.

roplusbee 04-21-2012 03:45 PM

So you are going to keep the dumps or work something to recirculate? Depending on how loud mine is, I may be in the same boat with you. And as always, looks like you beat me to it again.................

Ron 04-22-2012 12:28 PM

I am recirculating, when do you get back man?

Made a couple of changes and added links to the OP. I will try to get the car to a dynojet next week. Exhaust leak has been fixed.

roplusbee 04-22-2012 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1678908)
I am recirculating, when do you get back man?

Made a couple of changes and added links to the OP. I will try to get the car to a dynojet next week. Exhaust leak has been fixed.

I should be back in June if all goes as planned. I'll definitely compare notes when I check out your beast. Hopefully, there won't be much for me to do problem wise. Maybe just some minor adjustment if anything..........

I will probably sleep for a few days first though, lol!

Dzel 04-22-2012 07:22 PM

OMFG!!! Noice numbers!!!

carboy281 04-24-2012 10:24 AM

we tried to install the recircs. also but its gonna take a bit to get it to fit up correctly. if the actual kit was installed correctly the first time he would not have these issues. it just takes a bit of time and patience to install the kit correctly. after thinking about it the other day, the wastegate feed pipes shouldve been left loose up top and everything on the bottom side shouldve been tightened up first then roll to the top and tighten the last four bolts mating to the manifold. that way, it would not tweak the actual wastegate it self. regardless, the tt kit did impress us after we retuned the base map for 93 octane and also houston weather. gtm builds top notch stuff, we have used there products before and had a few issues here and there but nothing major. we do sell there kits and install there products. thumbs up to gtm for a well put together kit and high five to little ron for letting us tune it and run through his install issues!

O&G 04-24-2012 10:56 AM

JTran typing on his phone ftw! <3

Baker 04-27-2012 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carboy281 (Post 1682384)
we tried to install the recircs. also but its gonna take a bit to get it to fit up correctly. if the actual kit was installed correctly the first time he would not have these issues. it just takes a bit of time and patience to install the kit correctly. after thinking about it the other day, the wastegate feed pipes shouldve been left loose up top and everything on the bottom side shouldve been tightened up first then roll to the top and tighten the last four bolts mating to the manifold. that way, it would not tweak the actual wastegate it self. regardless, the tt kit did impress us after we retuned the base map for 93 octane and also houston weather. gtm builds top notch stuff, we have used there products before and had a few issues here and there but nothing major. we do sell there kits and install there products. thumbs up to gtm for a well put together kit and high five to little ron for letting us tune it and run through his install issues!

While I agree that GTM makes an extremely good kit, there were some fitment issues with this particular kit. I appreciate the breakdown on how to install the wastegate piping. Regardless, after attempting the same procedure that you outlined, the fitment on the lower pipe was off by nearly 1/4 inch. I am always very patient with my installs and have taken the time to do things right by both the customer and the manufacturer of the kit. To this point in time I have had very few complaints on my methods of working. I can assure you that the issues that have come up with my customers have been resolved to their satisfaction and they can attest to that.

Baker 04-27-2012 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 1676209)
No they are not lol. Jason sent me some pics and i told him what to do, i did not hear anything back from him so i assumed every thing went ok. Have him call me and we can sort it out for you. It has to work.

On anther note Congrats on completing you project and I'm glad you are enjoying it .

Sam

LOL??? We did discuss this, Sam. And after trying all i could with the driver side piping the fitment was still off. I am still extremely impressed with this and all the other kits we have installed from you. I have only had minor issues with fitment and all those issues have been resolved.

sixpax 04-27-2012 11:04 AM

:drama:

benjamward 04-27-2012 11:09 AM

GTM SC Install by Baker Tuning
 
I had my GTM SC kit installed by Jason at Baker Tuning, I have put about 5,000 miles on it and I have not had one issue what so ever. I am a firm believer in the quality of GTM products and also impressed with the quality of workmanship and knowledge of Jason at Baker Tuning.

O&G 04-27-2012 11:34 AM

14 people in here LOL, the re-circs on the passenger side had to be cut and re-welded to fit properly, also one of the bolts on the passenger side downpipe couldn't be put in because of the angle of the downpipe. You could see where Jason had tried to get it to go in. I don't know why this is or if it's an issue on all GTM kits(I'm sure it's not)l. As far as the kit itself its beautiful and top notch, as far as the install, it appears to be done well and looks like Jason went over everything more than once. Of course after any new install you need to retighten the bolts down on the exhaust side after a few heat cycles. Ron is happy and I think that's all that matters. I know his install took a good bit of time, but it is what it is. No need to throw popcorn into his build thread.

Robert_K 04-27-2012 11:44 AM

^ Very true!

Ron 04-27-2012 11:47 AM

Yeah ladies, stop fighting :icon17: I'm happy with GTM, I'm happy with Baker and I'm happy with Jtran. Builds will always have bumps to overcome. I am now getting some codes looked at. Will update soon.

sixpax 04-27-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1689094)
Yeah ladies, stop fighting :icon17: I'm happy with GTM, I'm happy with Baker and I'm happy with Jtran. Builds will always have bumps to overcome. I am now getting some codes looked at. Will update soon.

Looks great Ron ! And super nice gains, especially in TQ. :tup:


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