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phunk 10-27-2011 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1380999)
If you want a 400+whp 370Z that's going to compete with a 'vette in the power department, you have a TON of work to do. The ENTIRE driveline has to be re-done. Not just the engine/power production aspect.

cant really agree with you there.

greddy tt, osg clutch, greddy exhaust. fuel pump and injectors. reflash. volks and re11's.

have yet to run into a vette that can pull away. there was one decently modified c6 z06 that seemed dead even from many pulls. but a stock one doesnt stand a chance.

there is nothing about the vette that gives it much a traction advantage at all... the transmission is mounted a couple feet back, thats it. Otherwise its all in setup. Most 370z owners will have insanely stiff coilovers at the very least, limiting weight transfer to almost nothing. most of them will use those coilovers to slam the car to the ground and have far too much negative camber and ride on half the tire.

but if setup correctly and using some good 305 or 335 tires, i cant imagine anything about a modern corvette that is going to give it any more traction for the power.

and if we are just talking about taking down a base model vette with typical bolt ons... thats not even a challenge for a TT'd 370z... i imagine i could turn off the boost controller and run my wastegate springs 5.5psi and have no trouble with one of those. the only stock or bolt on vette that is going to beat up on a TT 370z is a ZR1

KaienZ34 10-27-2011 10:38 PM

ImPoConVo loves talking out of his azz. Don't pay him much attention and he'll go away...well hopefully.

DIGItonium 10-27-2011 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vapiano (Post 1381098)
This is exactly what I am looking for, I have spent several hours this week talking to Sam. TTs are so temping and I need to make a damn decision. To TT or not to TT?

It depends on how you feel about your car. There were times I wanted throw in the towel and give up modding this car, but so far I'm not regretting the upgrade. It definitely needs this (and oil cooler) from the factory. :driving: The car sounds so much better with the turbos as well. I don't have test pipes, so it's not raspy. Overall the engine sound through the intake and exhaust is amazing for a Z car.

With the temps in the 50s lately I can spin the tires in 2nd from a roll around 4k and beyond. I haven't tried 3rd gear yet, but normally 2nd and 3rd grips well in warm weather. So the 305s aren't enough haha.

ImportConvert 10-27-2011 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KaienZ34 (Post 1381272)
ImPoConVo loves talking out of his azz. Don't pay him much attention and he'll go away...well hopefully.

Cheese with that?

ImportConvert 10-27-2011 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 1381263)
cant really agree with you there.

greddy tt, osg clutch, greddy exhaust. fuel pump and injectors. reflash. volks and re11's.

have yet to run into a vette that can pull away. there was one decently modified c6 z06 that seemed dead even from many pulls. but a stock one doesnt stand a chance.

there is nothing about the vette that gives it much a traction advantage at all... the transmission is mounted a couple feet back, thats it. Otherwise its all in setup. Most 370z owners will have insanely stiff coilovers at the very least, limiting weight transfer to almost nothing. most of them will use those coilovers to slam the car to the ground and have far too much negative camber and ride on half the tire.

but if setup correctly and using some good 305 or 335 tires, i cant imagine anything about a modern corvette that is going to give it any more traction for the power.

and if we are just talking about taking down a base model vette with typical bolt ons... thats not even a challenge for a TT'd 370z... i imagine i could turn off the boost controller and run my wastegate springs 5.5psi and have no trouble with one of those. the only stock or bolt on vette that is going to beat up on a TT 370z is a ZR1

I have yet to see/hear of a TT 370Z on street tires that can go WOT in first gear without plastering the pavement with rubber.

phunk 10-27-2011 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1381331)
I have yet to see/hear of a TT 370Z on street tires that can go WOT in first gear without plastering the pavement with rubber.

What makes you think that a vette with the same power, using the same tires with the same alignment specs and similar spring rates and shock dampening is going to hook up in first? It's not. Don't tell me a bolt on c6 z06 can't spin tire in first without dumping the clutch. If your vette can't... Might want to take it in for some warranty work

phunk 10-27-2011 11:27 PM

Nobody is going to put 500 to the ground in first unless they are serious about doing that and willing to sacrifice in other departments. The Z doesn't attract drag racers so it's very rare someone that owns one is dedicated to setting the car up for that and willing to let go of their 19" wheels and coilovers that might as well be solid bars and ridiculous alignment specs. But if someone was in the drag racing mindset when making their decisions for all of the car and not just the making HP part, there is nothing stopping a Z from putting power down any more than a vette. Especially with a 370 since they can fit 335 tires without cutting just like cars meant to make power do

ImportConvert 10-27-2011 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 1381335)
What makes you think that a vette with the same power, using the same tires with the same alignment specs and similar spring rates and shock dampening is going to hook up in first? It's not. Don't tell me a bolt on c6 z06 can't spin tire in first without dumping the clutch. If your vette can't... Might want to take it in for some warranty work

It can if you stab the throttle, but I can roll into it from a 5mph roll and be WOT and it holds just fine.

ImportConvert 10-27-2011 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 1381355)
Nobody is going to put 500 to the ground in first unless they are serious about doing that and willing to sacrifice in other departments. The Z doesn't attract drag racers so it's very rare someone that owns one is dedicated to setting the car up for that and willing to let go of their 19" wheels and coilovers that might as well be solid bars and ridiculous alignment specs. But if someone was in the drag racing mindset when making their decisions for all of the car and not just the making HP part, there is nothing stopping a Z from putting power down any more than a vette. Especially with a 370 since they can fit 335 tires without cutting just like cars meant to make power do

Very cool that the 370 can take that much tire. Ford could learn a thing or two about designing the next gen mustang from that. Other than rims, anything need to be done for the 370 to accept the rubber?

phunk 10-27-2011 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1381357)
It can if you stab the throttle, but I can roll into it from a 5mph roll and be WOT and it holds just fine.

Is this a base model vette? Because that type of power can be put down without much drama in a 370. But many TT guys are 500+ rwhp and that's a real big difference from a base vette.

ImportConvert 10-27-2011 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 1381365)
Is this a base model vette? Because that type of power can be put down without much drama in a 370. But many TT guys are 500+ rwhp and that's a real big difference from a base vette.

I'm probably at around 440whp or so. Stock Z06. Hooks perfectly unless you stab the throttle or are on sub-par surfaces. On clean asphalt it does fine.

phunk 10-27-2011 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1381358)
Very cool that the 370 can take that much tire. Ford could learn a thing or two about designing the next gen mustang from that. Other than rims, anything need to be done for the 370 to accept the rubber?

I'll let you know in spring. The best I can say is that my 305s fit with a bit of room on the inside, then I spaced them out another 15mm. I am very confident nothing will have to be done with the right offset for the camber setting. But others have already done it

phunk 10-27-2011 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1381369)
I'm probably at around 440whp or so. Stock Z06. Hooks perfectly unless you stab the throttle or are on sub-par surfaces. On clean asphalt it does fine.

I think that first gear goes to like 60mph in the z06? That is quite a bit taller than the 370 in overall gearing.. For sure helping you. Until I get the car to hook better I bet a stock c6 z06 would get away from me from a dig but somewhere in 2nd I'm gonna catch him I think. Only ran them from a roll so no hands on with going up against one in first

Red__Zed 10-27-2011 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1381358)
Very cool that the 370 can take that much tire. Ford could learn a thing or two about designing the next gen mustang from that. Other than rims, anything need to be done for the 370 to accept the rubber?

not being slammed is all that is needed. there is a ton of room under the rear fenders on the z.

ImportConvert 10-28-2011 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 1381381)
I think that first gear goes to like 60mph in the z06? That is quite a bit taller than the 370 in overall gearing.. For sure helping you. Until I get the car to hook better I bet a stock c6 z06 would get away from me from a dig but somewhere in 2nd I'm gonna catch him I think. Only ran them from a roll so no hands on with going up against one in first

I guess you have come full-circle and now agree with the content of my first post in this thread.


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