Cheapest FI setup

LafitteZ · 08-12-2011, 12:23 PM

Everyones gonna have there opinions. The rear mount is a good kit but its either you hate it or ya love it. I like it! I went twin turbo because I want to extract every bit of power I can out of it. Im not happy with mediocre. If ya just want a little power on a budget I personaly would do the supercharger route. Some people like turbos so if your on a budget and you want turbo the rear mount is your only option. At least for now

Lug · 08-12-2011, 06:14 PM

The biggest downside to rear-mounted turbos is that the standard Cats sometimes gives up the ghost and can damage the turbo (Normal turbo before cats). If I were going rear mounted, I'd go test pipes ar at least hi-flow cats.

96bigbody · 08-12-2011, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Heat dropped before turbo= less pressure. The piping running to the front is fine, it's the stuff running back that kills you

Just have to wrap the pipes.

frostyrock7c · 08-12-2011, 07:22 PM

I think GTM's Stage II SC kit has proven that you don't have to get "less power" with a SC... It's more like different power... Turbos spool, then boost and feel great but you've got to stay in the boost. SCs are always there... They give you a linear curve but lack the kick in the pants feeling that abrupt boost creates. That is not to say that one is better than the other... You need to evaluate your goals and budget then go from there.

For the Z34 platform, I say SC. For the Z33... Now that is another story.

G37sHKS · 08-12-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by frostyrock7c

I think GTM's Stage II SC kit has proven that you don't have to get "less power" with a SC... It's more like different power... Turbos spool, then boost and feel great but you've got to stay in the boost. SCs are always there... They give you a linear curve but lack the kick in the pants feeling that abrupt boost creates. That is not to say that one is better than the other... You need to evaluate your goals and budget then go from there.

For the Z34 platform, I say SC. For the Z33... Now that is another story.

Umm wait.. what? <-- that was my reaction when i saw your post, but after I saw your signature, it explained it all.

You know that SC stage2 is no where near turbo stage 1 torque power right?

WWJD · 08-12-2011, 08:05 PM

if maintenance counts, i think SC is cheaper down the road.

esfourteen · 08-12-2011, 08:10 PM

The only way to go FI on the cheap is with a used kit, but you need to know what you are doing. I snatched up a slightly used stillen kit and sourced all missing parts + upgrades (pulley/impeller/bypass valve) for roughly $4300.

chuckd05 · 08-12-2011, 08:58 PM

and than that good man ^ decided he didnt want it and passed it on to me.... how sweet of him!!! lol...

Now I will harass him to help me install it, I plan on after tune to be around 5k which is awesome... All I have to do it send my injectors out to be cleaned and tested... And when my stock clutch blows I will have to replace that... my clutch now only has 1000 miles on it so I'm not gonna just replace it before it goes...

No i wont have 400 tq or 500whp but I will have a healthy amount more than bolt ons and thats fine with me!

frostyrock7c · 08-12-2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by G37sHKS

Umm wait.. what? <-- that was my reaction when i saw your post, but after I saw your signature, it explained it all.

You know that SC stage2 is no where near turbo stage 1 torque power right?

Ha ha ha. Yeah man, I know, but it is a significant step over Stage I SC. The point I was trying to make is that it all comes down to personal preference, goals, and budget. My Z is DD for about a year and will see some track days... so the SC made sense for me. Believe me, I have plenty of TT love and maybe one day when she's not the DD I will change it up... I get bored easy

I do want to add though that the Stage II kit does come really close to some of the TT numbers. Superior... definitely not, but a worthy alternative. There is also the aspect of the torque curve and such but that's for another thread.

edub370 · 08-15-2011, 07:56 AM

i completely agree with the above post by wwjd stating that maintenence would probably be a lot easier with a sc. i have a turbo'd car currently running 18psi, and i must say that turbo's add a whole new dimension to engine maintenance

Red__Zed · 08-15-2011, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 96bigbody

Just have to wrap the pipes.

No, still not enough.

96bigbody · 08-18-2011, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

No, still not enough.

Yes, it is enough. Seen it done on many f-bodies.

roplusbee · 08-18-2011, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

No, still not enough.

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Originally Posted by 96bigbody

Yes, it is enough. Seen it done on many f-bodies.

Sounds like Apples and Oranges to me. High strung V6 vs lower rev-ing V8.......

It may work out nicely on the F-Bodies, but prolly net different results on the Zs. I have no proof though. Perhaps someone can be the test subject / pioneer considering both Zs with that setup have sold or up for sale......

ANMVQ · 08-19-2011, 02:22 PM

The Vid with the Civic is CLASSIC, The only one better is the AZZ clown driving around in his Civic yelling at poeple about his VTEC. I cant find the vid tho.

Red__Zed · 08-19-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 96bigbody

Yes, it is enough. Seen it done on many f-bodies.

Yeah. Me too. It leaks a ton of heat. Anyone with a basic understanding of thermo can see the problem

08-12-2011, 06:14 PM	#32 (permalink)
Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 19	The biggest downside to rear-mounted turbos is that the standard Cats sometimes gives up the ghost and can damage the turbo (Normal turbo before cats). If I were going rear mounted, I'd go test pipes ar at least hi-flow cats. __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs

08-12-2011, 07:22 PM	#34 (permalink)
frostyrock7c Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Savannah, GA Posts: 120 Drives: 09 Nismo Silver Rep Power: 14	I think GTM's Stage II SC kit has proven that you don't have to get "less power" with a SC... It's more like different power... Turbos spool, then boost and feel great but you've got to stay in the boost. SCs are always there... They give you a linear curve but lack the kick in the pants feeling that abrupt boost creates. That is not to say that one is better than the other... You need to evaluate your goals and budget then go from there. For the Z34 platform, I say SC. For the Z33... Now that is another story. __________________ 2009 Nismo 370Z #0136 The past... 2008 STi stock thanks to questionable ringlands, 2005 STi modded and very fast, 2004.5 350Z modded and fast-ish

08-12-2011, 08:10 PM	#37 (permalink)
esfourteen A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: LI, NY Posts: 1,375 Drives: 40th TT Rep Power: 18	The only way to go FI on the cheap is with a used kit, but you need to know what you are doing. I snatched up a slightly used stillen kit and sourced all missing parts + upgrades (pulley/impeller/bypass valve) for roughly $4300. __________________ Build Thread \| GTM TT Install Thread \| Engine Build Thread

08-12-2011, 08:58 PM	#38 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 19	and than that good man ^ decided he didnt want it and passed it on to me.... how sweet of him!!! lol... Now I will harass him to help me install it, I plan on after tune to be around 5k which is awesome... All I have to do it send my injectors out to be cleaned and tested... And when my stock clutch blows I will have to replace that... my clutch now only has 1000 miles on it so I'm not gonna just replace it before it goes... No i wont have 400 tq or 500whp but I will have a healthy amount more than bolt ons and thats fine with me! __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-)

08-15-2011, 07:56 AM	#40 (permalink)
edub370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,458 Drives: 09 370z S/T 6MT Rep Power: 20	i completely agree with the above post by wwjd stating that maintenence would probably be a lot easier with a sc. i have a turbo'd car currently running 18psi, and i must say that turbo's add a whole new dimension to engine maintenance __________________ 09 370Z ST 6MT//Injen CAI//Greddy CBE//TP//TSW's//Swifts//Stillen lip//Whiteline sways 326whp/268tq

08-12-2011, 12:23 PM	#31 (permalink)
LafitteZ Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: lafitte, la Posts: 698 Drives: 40th anniversary Rep Power: 15	Everyones gonna have there opinions. The rear mount is a good kit but its either you hate it or ya love it. I like it! I went twin turbo because I want to extract every bit of power I can out of it. Im not happy with mediocre. If ya just want a little power on a budget I personaly would do the supercharger route. Some people like turbos so if your on a budget and you want turbo the rear mount is your only option. At least for now

08-12-2011, 08:05 PM	#36 (permalink)
WWJD Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 396 Drives: PW 370Z Rep Power: 14	if maintenance counts, i think SC is cheaper down the road.

08-19-2011, 02:22 PM	#44 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 19	The Vid with the Civic is CLASSIC, The only one better is the AZZ clown driving around in his Civic yelling at poeple about his VTEC. I cant find the vid tho. __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

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