Lol :icon17: They can't make an intercooler big enough baby! We would turn it into a rolling deep fryer :rofl2:

I think lowering the compression a tad might help out some. Along with some other mods to make it more suitable for more "abuse". Like I said, it does not see track conditions I never said it did. Im sure if I drove it like crazy for long enough it would see dangerous temps. At this point the car is too valuable to drive it like a butt fu<king loon-a-tick on the street in abundance. I like to rip the sh!t out of it just like everyone else, but in moderation. Could care less if it over heats on a track because I don't take the car to one.

single turbo...

No one mentioned the track, but I understand what you're saying jb. It's not meant to see repeated redlining and slowing down and repeat. Our cars have bad oil temp problems and they are exacerbated by the stress and heat of the tt. Most people that buy tt's on this car rarely if ever go full bore through all gears more than one at a time... Maybe getting on the highway, racing some hooligan, etc. Try doing it 5 times in a row though and you'll start feeling bad about the car. Frankly, there's nothing wrong with that, it's a street driven car that isn't meant to endure racing.

I bet if you lower the compression to 10:1 and add some more cooling mods we might be track ready. 11:1 compression is efficient at making power quick, but when adding boost your just turning up the heat on a already hot config! You got to find a way to distribute the heat on a boosted app, such as lowering compression. Your going to make a lot of heat no matter what if your running tons of power. My guess is the power band wont be as linear if we drop the compression. Lowering the compression in some applications lowers the bottom end capabilities and does not spool turbos as quick. Not sure if it affects SC's or not in a negative way.

Not sure I have never tested for 0-60-0-100.

Post your numbers please. I'm trying to make an educated decision

I will when Sam gets my stage 2 to me.
Im getting the stealth package. It may take a little longer and i will upgrading to a GTM return fuel system.

Z

Stealth? I'm a noob sorry

So if the Stage 2 is makeing this kind of power @ 11psi. No telling what the Stage 3 is going to do power wise. Would there be a need for a built block with a Stage 3?

There's not going to be a stage 3, the stage 2 is using the "stage 4" blower

Well the only thing that can be done is a smaller pulley for more boost, if that's even possible. GTM is already using the biggest charger Rotrex offers, and I doubt they're going to switch companies with all the R&D involved in their current setup. Besides, 400-470whp should be plenty for 90% of boosted drivers.

Looks like I'm in the other 10%, lol

heck 470 to the wheels on a stage two........ sign me up!!!!! (now how much do slightly used kidneys go for??)

I think it's illegal to sell human parts lol.

even if its your own?

Sell it on the black market :stirthepot:

Im so glad that i bought the GTM traction control with launch control.
Sam said im going to need it.

What is that? Part of the reflash?

It is a separate traction control "box" (controller) made by Race Logic that is setup to be plug-and-play by GTM, and includes a harness and full setup. It runs an around $2000+ from GTM (which is about 3x what the parts cost from Race Logic, but it is ready to go...).

Racelogic - Experts in data logging, video logging & GPS

GTM Motorsports*::*Traction Control*::*GTM RACE LOGIC TRACTION CONTROL PNP

The Racelogic module and needed wheel speed sensors cost over $1600 add in the controller and PnP harness and I feel it is fairly priced.

the abs sensors from the Z don't work with the race logic?

I was told we could use the existing ABS/speed sensors, and it was just the harness and/or wiring that would be needed (This did not come from GTM). Race Logic said the sensors are only needed for cars that do not have ABS/speed sensors; with a few exceptions. You can get the module and analog controller for under $1000. I can pick it up in Europe for around $800 (It lists for 595 British Pounds for the unit with traction and launch control).

The wiring is not complicated at all if you are willing to hack up the existing factory wiring. It could easily be done in less than a day with a factory service manual and the Race Logic instructions if you are technically competent.

I think it is great that GTM is offering this as plug-and-play, and if you think it is a good value, that is all that matters. I personally wouldn't pay $1500 for a harness, but there is definitely some appeal to doing so.

Where did get the price of 1500 for the harness, does that mean that racelogic box only cost 700 dollars per your statement and calculations.

FYI you could not wire the car in a day, wiring the abs sensors alone witch you will have to remove the abs unit to do is a 6 hour job .

It takes less then 3 mints to install our system.

Sam

Sam, did you get my PM & paypal deposit?

Done deal.

:happydance: Thanks again Sam for everything. How long would you said the timeline is before kits start to get shipped out?

[QUOTE=SAM@GTM;1146492]Where did get the price of 1500 for the harness, does that mean that racelogic box only cost 700 dollars per your statement and calculations.

FYI you could not wire the car in a day, wiring the abs sensors alone witch you will have to remove the abs unit to do is a 6 hour job .

It takes less then 3 mints to install our system.

Sam[/

If you can install in 3 minutes you are using a can Bus interface

Which is where the extra cost comes in


is it possible to use the digital controller from race logic as well as all of the settings can be programmed from the digital controller Instead of a laptop

So far we have been getting consistent 500 RWHP. We have one more dyno session tomorrow and if every thing goes well
We will be officially done with the stage 2.

Sam

I stated I could get the Race Logic box (with launch control) and analog controller for around $800 in Europe (probably closer to $1000 here). I mentioned this in my post. $2300-$800=$1500. I understand that you do not sell the harness for $1500, and there are other things you do for the $2300 price....

I am not necessarily trying to give you are hard time about the price. As I stated, there is definite appeal in what you are offering; mainly the 3 minute install you pointed out, and not having to hack up the factory wiring. Both of which are a big deal to some people. I think it is great that you are offering this as a PnP option. People just need to understand what they are getting, and that is about $1000 worth of hardware and a PnP harness. There is a misconception that other things are required beyond the control module and analog controller, and I don't think that is the case (your customer, that I am assuming has this, stated that speed sensors were needed).

The RaceLogic traction control system is a well proven setup for just about any type of race car. I have seen it used on all types of cars, and I think it's cool that you are offering a simple solution for us. If someone really races (drag or track), I think what you are offering is a good solution if they do not want to hack up their car. My comments about were not specifically about the Z. I was originally looking into it for a different car altogether. Sorry, I won't comment any further on it in this thread just to keep thing from going to far OT....

Our system does include the digital controller now. The 3 mints install is possible now due to the plug and play harness that we provide and all the intensive work that was don to it to make this possible , before making this harness, it was taking our tech an average of 14 hours to complete the install .

Sam

Your are correct definitely the abs sensors are not needed, I personally think every car with some decent power should have this system and not only race cars. but that is my opinion.

back on topic

Sam

Are you gonna have results of the smaller pulleys? I'll be getting the 14psi pulley as we've talked about. I'm just excited & curious to see how much it makes. Plus when is one of your awesome videos coming out showing the stage.2 kit?

:iagree:

OMG I can't wait until this is finished!!!!!!1111

This is what I am waiting for, 500rwhp with no lag is extremely appealing. :)

And we still don't know if he used the 10 or 11 psi pulley. If it's 500whp with the 10 psi pulley on a stock car, I can't imagine what the 14 psi pulley will produce =)

Agreed.

On topic.... I definitely think anyone looking at one of your TT or SC kits should consider this. The fact is, these cars cannot effectively put down the power produced by even a stage 1 SC kit in most cases. If you want to maximize your investment, some type of traction control would go a long way to doing so (better tires and driving help too). The RaceLogic setup really does work and make a big difference on powerful cars. No doubt about it.

Is there a guide online that shows how each setting on the racelogic works & when to use said settings? I could use a good read lol

Edit: found it, seems like a lot of trial/error needs to be done to set-up the unit to the car.

Every system we supply will be tested and tuned before it ships to the end user, There will be no setting time needed for the system. it will be ready to go even the launch control will be set .

End user will have the ability to fine tune the system to best optimize their set up.

Sam