Just for fun ultimate forced induction convo (BS'ing encouraged)

1slow370 · 12-14-2010, 08:27 AM

Alright I got bored of waiting for updates on a certain persons car

so i figure why not start a laid back thread to throw out all that bs rolling around in some gear savvy heads about forced induction. anything you can think of is fair game, rear mounted turbo in the hatch? sure, series turbocharging on bullit's car to push over 50lbs? great, using a wastegate on the charge pipe of a supercharged setup as a boost controller? why the hell not.

One thing i thought of recently would be a peltier junction enhanced liqued to air inter cooler setup. for those that don't know a peltier junction is a a chip that when provided with an electric current shifts heat from one side to the other. so put it this way you have the air flowing through a water to air intercooler, the water flows over one or more peltier chips, the chips can drive the temperature of the cold side down 40-60 degrees(celsius) compared to the hot side, so a second cooling system is hooked up to the hot side to drive it down in temp. with properly sized coolers this would let you drive intercooler fluid temps down up to 40 degrees celsius, of course these babys suck electricity like mad. but think about just flipping them on for a bit to completly mitigate heatsoak. for that matter why not mount one to the bottom of the coolant reservoir

toner123 · 12-14-2010, 08:33 AM

I wanna know what do people think the gains from opening up the VVEL to us forced induction guys.
Frank

bullitt5897 · 12-14-2010, 08:57 AM

Kermit are you wanting me to go to the moon with my car?!?!? Lol 50psi omg haha

W.O.W. 370Z · 12-14-2010, 10:49 AM

With that wing...

definitionxmk · 12-14-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by toner123

I wanna know what do people think the gains from opening up the VVEL to us forced induction guys.
Frank

Me too @_@

bullitt5897 · 12-14-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by W.O.W. 370Z

With that wing...

If I twin charge it lol I will have the first street legal flying car

W.O.W. 370Z · 12-14-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

If I twin charge it lol I will have the first street legal flying car

back to the future in this bitch...LOL

bullitt5897 · 12-14-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by W.O.W. 370Z

back to the future in this bitch...LOL

Hahaha I can be Marty an you can be Einstein

W.O.W. 370Z · 12-14-2010, 11:48 AM

Chris_1 · 12-14-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by w.o.w. 370z

lmao

RCZ · 12-14-2010, 02:50 PM

getting a bigger heat exchanger on the air to water system and combining that with a CO2 spray system like CRYO2 = never heat soak for me.

toner123 · 12-14-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

getting a bigger heat exchanger on the air to water system and combining that with a CO2 spray system like CRYO2 = never heat soak for me.

So your car is heat soaking?

RCZ · 12-14-2010, 06:11 PM

nope, hasn't yet. Thats not the point of doing the bigger exchanger and the co2, its just one of the benefits. Its complete overkill for heatsoaking.

Chris_1 · 12-14-2010, 07:16 PM

I can attest to RCZ's car not heatsoaking, lol this man has trouble lifting his foot off the gas in small roads.

1slow370 · 12-15-2010, 02:34 PM

just throwing it out there it would be neat to have sub zero intake temps at the flip of a switch, the peltier basically would speed the heat transfer a larger heat exchanger would still be necessary to get rid of the extra 100 or so degrees Fahrenheit.

Mike i'm telling you quad turbo, except run em in series so 30psi out of the first two then run that through the second two and now your at around 125. you could run diesel for extra fuel millage and torque.

as for the adjustment of the vvel, ??? no one can't put a percentage on it until it is done. it isn't fair to say it wouldn't be worth it, it isn't fair to say it would. there are other benefits to a full standalone with vvel control mainly throttle response. have the valve lift set for the maximum efficiency per the rpm means that by throttling the engine with the throttle bodies you could gain response similar to a mechanically controlled engine, with the added benefit of complete torque maximization at any engine speed.

12-14-2010, 08:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7250	Just for fun ultimate forced induction convo (BS'ing encouraged) Alright I got bored of waiting for updates on a certain persons car so i figure why not start a laid back thread to throw out all that bs rolling around in some gear savvy heads about forced induction. anything you can think of is fair game, rear mounted turbo in the hatch? sure, series turbocharging on bullit's car to push over 50lbs? great, using a wastegate on the charge pipe of a supercharged setup as a boost controller? why the hell not. One thing i thought of recently would be a peltier junction enhanced liqued to air inter cooler setup. for those that don't know a peltier junction is a a chip that when provided with an electric current shifts heat from one side to the other. so put it this way you have the air flowing through a water to air intercooler, the water flows over one or more peltier chips, the chips can drive the temperature of the cold side down 40-60 degrees(celsius) compared to the hot side, so a second cooling system is hooked up to the hot side to drive it down in temp. with properly sized coolers this would let you drive intercooler fluid temps down up to 40 degrees celsius, of course these babys suck electricity like mad. but think about just flipping them on for a bit to completly mitigate heatsoak. for that matter why not mount one to the bottom of the coolant reservoir __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 12-14-2010 at 08:30 AM.

12-14-2010, 08:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	Kermit are you wanting me to go to the moon with my car?!?!? Lol 50psi omg haha __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

12-15-2010, 02:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7250	just throwing it out there it would be neat to have sub zero intake temps at the flip of a switch, the peltier basically would speed the heat transfer a larger heat exchanger would still be necessary to get rid of the extra 100 or so degrees Fahrenheit. Mike i'm telling you quad turbo, except run em in series so 30psi out of the first two then run that through the second two and now your at around 125. you could run diesel for extra fuel millage and torque. as for the adjustment of the vvel, ??? no one can't put a percentage on it until it is done. it isn't fair to say it wouldn't be worth it, it isn't fair to say it would. there are other benefits to a full standalone with vvel control mainly throttle response. have the valve lift set for the maximum efficiency per the rpm means that by throttling the engine with the throttle bodies you could gain response similar to a mechanically controlled engine, with the added benefit of complete torque maximization at any engine speed. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

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12-14-2010, 08:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
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RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	getting a bigger heat exchanger on the air to water system and combining that with a CO2 spray system like CRYO2 = never heat soak for me.

12-14-2010, 06:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	nope, hasn't yet. Thats not the point of doing the bigger exchanger and the co2, its just one of the benefits. Its complete overkill for heatsoaking.

12-14-2010, 07:16 PM	#14 (permalink)
Chris_1 Track Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Statewide Posts: 838 Drives: Nissan 370Z Roadster Rep Power: 16	I can attest to RCZ's car not heatsoaking, lol this man has trouble lifting his foot off the gas in small roads.