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car is pretty much a track and it will eventually be a complete car, gutted and caged. Plan to boost hard so just exploring ideas I have seen to help

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Old 07-12-2010, 09:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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car is pretty much a track and it will eventually be a complete car, gutted and caged. Plan to boost hard so just exploring ideas I have seen to help with engine heat
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Dial everything else in first. Honestly, if everything is tuned to the limit, there may be no more power to be made.

Before I had an intercooler on my supercharged 2ZZ, I picked up 15 whp with W/M direct port injection -- but I was overdriving the blower and had no IC, so I desperately needed some cooling at that point! Moroever, the ECU was pulling some timing. The W/M fixed all of that.

I had a nice coolingmist progressive controller with a W/M injector ported into each intake runner -- worked great!

However, after I had an A2W IC installed, the W/M made absolutely NO DIFFERENCE in power. We experimented for an hour with the tune on the dyno, and it just diidn't matter -- timing was optimal, and adding timing yielded no extra torque. I would have uninstalled it and sold it off a that point, but it was too much of a PITA, so I left it on as a safety measure as it wasn't hurting anything

If you were non-intercooled, I'd be more of an advocate for it. If you are intercooled, you probably won't need it.

In fact, I'd say the time and money would be better spent upgrading your IC components -- is it A2A or A2W (I recommend the latter, although the former can work well too)? If A2W, you could upgrade the pump or add another heat exchanger to further cool things down -- or as one person noted, you can get a larger reservior and pack it with ice for track days!

Also, what kind of track are we talking about? Road course, drag strip, autocross???
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Does Oklahoma have access to 93 octane? What oil cooler are you using?

Since Chris is going to be doing the tuning for you, you might consider having two maps, one on pump gas for the street, and one a bit more aggressive but with 100 octane for the track...You could take advantage of the UPrev multiple map features and just change out the map when you're at the track. This is something that we've talked about but for various reasons we aren't able to offer the CARB legal, warrantied kit as an adjustable kit.
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Nope, we have the same craptastic 91 that you guys do. We had 93 up until around 2006 though.

We do have a few stations that carry E85 though
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Does Oklahoma have access to 93 octane? What oil cooler are you using?

Since Chris is going to be doing the tuning for you, you might consider having two maps, one on pump gas for the street, and one a bit more aggressive but with 100 octane for the track...You could take advantage of the UPrev multiple map features and just change out the map when you're at the track.


You guys have an A2W kit, right? How efficient is the current set-up? What are post charge temps looking like?

The OP should definitely have an air-temp guage installed, ideally pre and post charge, but even just post would be incredibly informative.
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