Meth Is Good!!! Snow Performance Kits on Sale!!!

Scott@FontanaNissan · 07-24-2009, 06:03 PM

Thats right guys...through the end of September, we are having a sale on Snow Performance Water/Methanol Kits!!!

Snow Performance Stage 3 Kit $650.00 Shipped!:

The Stage 3 Boost Cooler® is unmatched for accuracy and adjustability in water-methanol injection systems. This system can be used on any forced induction engine, or ANY engine with a traditonal EFI system, and features our LCD display with on-the-fly adjustability.

Extremely easy to set up and dial in - the software creates a delivery map based on boost or EFI signal from just a few easy to set points you punch in from the drivers seat.

The LCD Screen displays boost pressure, fuel injector duty cycle, as well as water-methanol injection percent. Quick, easy, positive adjustments are made with 2 push buttons. Low profile design allows for easy-to-view and discrete mounting.

Kit includes:

• SHO (Special High Output) Pump
• 3 Quart Reservoir
• LCD Screen, Pushbutton Digital Variable Mapping Controller
• 2 Nozzles To Cover a Wide Range of Horsepower
• 10 feet High Pressure Tubing (1200psi burst)
• Comprehensive Instructions
• All Required Hardware Needed For Installation

Scott@FontanaNissan · 07-27-2009, 02:02 PM

Happy Monday!!! Bump!

Scott@FontanaNissan · 07-27-2009, 08:59 PM

you.....neeed.......meth....

Scott@FontanaNissan · 07-28-2009, 10:07 AM

Good morning!

XwChriswX · 07-28-2009, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@FontanaNissan

you.....neeed.......meth....

Just not the basment laboratory kind lol.

wstar · 07-28-2009, 10:33 AM

I've never really seen a water/methanol system in use, or done a whole lot of research on the subject other than to know the basics. So basically this kit looks at the MAF sensor to see airflow data, and regulates a mist of water and alcohol into the intake air stream that's proportional to the airflow (or in the case of the stage 3 kit, uses I'm guessing a CAN connection to the car to look at more precise data instead of just tapping the MAF signal?).

In any case, my random methanol newbie questions:

1) How much HP increase would you expect on a WOT Dyno run with a system like this on an engine like ours (NA, not turbo'd)?

2) Does the ECU need to have new maps made to advance timing during WOT in order to take advantage of the water/meth injection? Or are we just relying on the fact that our ECUs are smart enough to self-adjust the timing as far as the fuel mix and temps allow? And in either case, how does the ECU know to back off again (other than to see bad knock happening first and *then* retard) when the tank goes empty in the middle of a drive then and you're back to normal fuel mix?

3) How long does the tank last? Is 3 quarts basically enough for 2-3 passes at the drag strip and then you refill? Or is 3 quarts more like "drive two hundred really hard miles with lots of WOT before it goes empty", or?

Scott@FontanaNissan · 07-28-2009, 12:13 PM

Answers by Snow Performance in RED

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar

I've never really seen a water/methanol system in use, or done a whole lot of research on the subject other than to know the basics. So basically this kit looks at the MAF sensor to see airflow data, and regulates a mist of water and alcohol into the intake air stream that's proportional to the airflow (or in the case of the stage 3 kit, uses I'm guessing a CAN connection to the car to look at more precise data instead of just tapping the MAF signal?).

With the S3, we inject based on fuel injector duty cycle actually. Single best data type to control injection, because IDC is based not only on MAF data, but RPM, TPS, various temperatures, etc in these cars. So you essentially get a more proper injection curve compared even to MAF based injection.
In any case, my random methanol newbie questions:

1) How much HP increase would you expect on a WOT Dyno run with a system like this on an engine like ours (NA, not turbo'd)?

What it really boils down to is that we add 20-25 points of octane. So what an engine can do on race gas, it can now do on pump gas. Its not a case of automatically getting the power so much as completely changing the kinds of timing advance and AFR you can get away with before you hit detonation and heat issues in the combustion chamber.

2) Does the ECU need to have new maps made to advance timing during WOT in order to take advantage of the water/meth injection? Or are we just relying on the fact that our ECUs are smart enough to self-adjust the timing as far as the fuel mix and temps allow? And in either case, how does the ECU know to back off again (other than to see bad knock happening first and *then* retard) when the tank goes empty in the middle of a drive then and you're back to normal fuel mix?

typically a more aggressive tune is nice to really take advantage of the system. If the ECU is going to advance timing very far as opposed to a just a few degrees, then a lot of the tuning is being done automatically. but most ECUs will not do much in terms of AFR beyond their normal settings, which are typically far richer than a car with our system needs.

3) How long does the tank last? Is 3 quarts basically enough for 2-3 passes at the drag strip and then you refill? Or is 3 quarts more like "drive two hundred really hard miles with lots of WOT before it goes empty", or?

Typically a 3QT will last about 16 gallon of gas. The harder you push the more the system uses, but then too you are using a lot more gas too. Even if you really lay into it you would probably get north of a half tank of fuel out of the standard 3QT tank.

Scott@FontanaNissan · 07-31-2009, 04:02 PM

Just a few more hours left on this sale!!!

Scott@FontanaNissan · 07-31-2009, 09:37 PM

Thanks for playin! This sale has ended. Stay tuned for the next sale...any suggestions???

Snakes709 · 08-28-2009, 09:59 PM

have you guys tested your meth kit on a dyno after tuning it? I just traded in my Supercharged Cobalt...hade a Harrop TVS Supercharger installed with devils own meth kit and it made a huge difference...but thats with a blower. I wanna see what gains you can get for a NA car. I kept my meth kit for the 370z but not sure if i want to install it now or wait till i put TT in it.

Scott@FontanaNissan · 08-31-2009, 11:21 AM

It really depends on how you tune with it. I personally run my meth kit as a safety precaution for the race car rather than for power. I think with race fuel and meth, I gained about 10whp but and huge decrease in intake temp. It definately allows you to add timing without the worry of knock. I think you would notice a huge difference if you use it in conjunction with 91 or 93 octane. For me, with use with 100 octane it doesn't make that big of a difference.

Scott@FontanaNissan · 09-03-2009, 09:35 PM

Hello everyone....great news!

For the month of September, Snow Performance has put their Stage 3 Kit on sale!!!

Regular Price is $721.05

For the month of September, they are on sale for $650 shipped!!!

You must call me directly to get this special price!

The Stage 3 Boost Cooler® is unmatched for accuracy and adjustability in water-methanol injection systems. This system can be used on any forced induction engine, or ANY engine with a traditonal EFI system, and features our LCD display with on-the-fly adjustability.

Extremely easy to set up and dial in - the software creates a delivery map based on boost or EFI signal from just a few easy to set points you punch in from the drivers seat.

The LCD Screen displays boost pressure, fuel injector duty cycle, as well as water-methanol injection percent. Quick, easy, positive adjustments are made with 2 push buttons. Low profile design allows for easy-to-view and discrete mounting.

Kit includes:

• SHO (Special High Output) Pump
• 3 Quart Reservoir
• LCD Screen, Pushbutton Digital Variable Mapping Controller
• 2 Nozzles To Cover a Wide Range of Horsepower
• 10 feet High Pressure Tubing (1200psi burst)
• Comprehensive Instructions
• All Required Hardware Needed For Installation

zulus370Z · 09-05-2009, 07:51 AM

I had a methanol kit by snow performance on my Acura RSX typeS Turbo and it made a world of a difference.
My injectors were tapped out, so the meth allowed me to increase my boost safely, without detonating. Very cool feature to have on a high performance-boosted car.
I used to have a stand alone data logger and you could actually see the air intake temperature decrease as the kit came on. Very impressive.

Lastly, Methanol is cheap compared to race gas.

Scott@FontanaNissan · 09-08-2009, 10:27 AM

Thanks for the feedback! I've been happy with my kit that I've been using for the last two years!

Scott

Solus · 09-09-2009, 07:56 AM

So will this boost hp w/o a tune? I guess I ask because I posted asking about using cam2 fuel or something of the nature and was told that without a tune it won't do me any good so I am having a hard time seeing how this will help?

07-24-2009, 06:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
Scott@FontanaNissan Supporting Nissan Dealer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fontucky, CA Posts: 857 Drives: 91 Sentra GTi-R Rep Power: 25	Meth Is Good!!! Snow Performance Kits on Sale!!! Thats right guys...through the end of September, we are having a sale on Snow Performance Water/Methanol Kits!!! Snow Performance Stage 3 Kit $650.00 Shipped!: The Stage 3 Boost Cooler® is unmatched for accuracy and adjustability in water-methanol injection systems. This system can be used on any forced induction engine, or ANY engine with a traditonal EFI system, and features our LCD display with on-the-fly adjustability. Extremely easy to set up and dial in - the software creates a delivery map based on boost or EFI signal from just a few easy to set points you punch in from the drivers seat. The LCD Screen displays boost pressure, fuel injector duty cycle, as well as water-methanol injection percent. Quick, easy, positive adjustments are made with 2 push buttons. Low profile design allows for easy-to-view and discrete mounting. Kit includes: • SHO (Special High Output) Pump • 3 Quart Reservoir • LCD Screen, Pushbutton Digital Variable Mapping Controller • 2 Nozzles To Cover a Wide Range of Horsepower • 10 feet High Pressure Tubing (1200psi burst) • Comprehensive Instructions • All Required Hardware Needed For Installation __________________ Scott VanderHeide - Motorsports Director - Fontana Nissan/NissanRaceShop www.nissanraceshop.com www.youtube.com/scottvanderheide Last edited by Scott@FontanaNissan; 09-03-2009 at 09:36 PM.

07-27-2009, 02:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
Scott@FontanaNissan Supporting Nissan Dealer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fontucky, CA Posts: 857 Drives: 91 Sentra GTi-R Rep Power: 25	Happy Monday!!! Bump! __________________ Scott VanderHeide - Motorsports Director - Fontana Nissan/NissanRaceShop www.nissanraceshop.com www.youtube.com/scottvanderheide

07-27-2009, 08:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Scott@FontanaNissan Supporting Nissan Dealer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fontucky, CA Posts: 857 Drives: 91 Sentra GTi-R Rep Power: 25	you.....neeed.......meth.... __________________ Scott VanderHeide - Motorsports Director - Fontana Nissan/NissanRaceShop www.nissanraceshop.com www.youtube.com/scottvanderheide

07-28-2009, 10:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
Scott@FontanaNissan Supporting Nissan Dealer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fontucky, CA Posts: 857 Drives: 91 Sentra GTi-R Rep Power: 25	Good morning! __________________ Scott VanderHeide - Motorsports Director - Fontana Nissan/NissanRaceShop www.nissanraceshop.com www.youtube.com/scottvanderheide

07-28-2009, 10:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	I've never really seen a water/methanol system in use, or done a whole lot of research on the subject other than to know the basics. So basically this kit looks at the MAF sensor to see airflow data, and regulates a mist of water and alcohol into the intake air stream that's proportional to the airflow (or in the case of the stage 3 kit, uses I'm guessing a CAN connection to the car to look at more precise data instead of just tapping the MAF signal?). In any case, my random methanol newbie questions: 1) How much HP increase would you expect on a WOT Dyno run with a system like this on an engine like ours (NA, not turbo'd)? 2) Does the ECU need to have new maps made to advance timing during WOT in order to take advantage of the water/meth injection? Or are we just relying on the fact that our ECUs are smart enough to self-adjust the timing as far as the fuel mix and temps allow? And in either case, how does the ECU know to back off again (other than to see bad knock happening first and then retard) when the tank goes empty in the middle of a drive then and you're back to normal fuel mix? 3) How long does the tank last? Is 3 quarts basically enough for 2-3 passes at the drag strip and then you refill? Or is 3 quarts more like "drive two hundred really hard miles with lots of WOT before it goes empty", or? __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

07-31-2009, 04:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
Scott@FontanaNissan Supporting Nissan Dealer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fontucky, CA Posts: 857 Drives: 91 Sentra GTi-R Rep Power: 25	Just a few more hours left on this sale!!! __________________ Scott VanderHeide - Motorsports Director - Fontana Nissan/NissanRaceShop www.nissanraceshop.com www.youtube.com/scottvanderheide

07-31-2009, 09:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Scott@FontanaNissan Supporting Nissan Dealer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fontucky, CA Posts: 857 Drives: 91 Sentra GTi-R Rep Power: 25	Thanks for playin! This sale has ended. Stay tuned for the next sale...any suggestions??? __________________ Scott VanderHeide - Motorsports Director - Fontana Nissan/NissanRaceShop www.nissanraceshop.com www.youtube.com/scottvanderheide

08-28-2009, 09:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
Snakes709 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 Evo-X GSR Rep Power: 17	have you guys tested your meth kit on a dyno after tuning it? I just traded in my Supercharged Cobalt...hade a Harrop TVS Supercharger installed with devils own meth kit and it made a huge difference...but thats with a blower. I wanna see what gains you can get for a NA car. I kept my meth kit for the 370z but not sure if i want to install it now or wait till i put TT in it.

08-31-2009, 11:21 AM	#11 (permalink)
Scott@FontanaNissan Supporting Nissan Dealer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fontucky, CA Posts: 857 Drives: 91 Sentra GTi-R Rep Power: 25	It really depends on how you tune with it. I personally run my meth kit as a safety precaution for the race car rather than for power. I think with race fuel and meth, I gained about 10whp but and huge decrease in intake temp. It definately allows you to add timing without the worry of knock. I think you would notice a huge difference if you use it in conjunction with 91 or 93 octane. For me, with use with 100 octane it doesn't make that big of a difference. __________________ Scott VanderHeide - Motorsports Director - Fontana Nissan/NissanRaceShop www.nissanraceshop.com www.youtube.com/scottvanderheide

09-03-2009, 09:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
Scott@FontanaNissan Supporting Nissan Dealer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fontucky, CA Posts: 857 Drives: 91 Sentra GTi-R Rep Power: 25	Hello everyone....great news! For the month of September, Snow Performance has put their Stage 3 Kit on sale!!! Regular Price is $721.05 For the month of September, they are on sale for $650 shipped!!! You must call me directly to get this special price! The Stage 3 Boost Cooler® is unmatched for accuracy and adjustability in water-methanol injection systems. This system can be used on any forced induction engine, or ANY engine with a traditonal EFI system, and features our LCD display with on-the-fly adjustability. Extremely easy to set up and dial in - the software creates a delivery map based on boost or EFI signal from just a few easy to set points you punch in from the drivers seat. The LCD Screen displays boost pressure, fuel injector duty cycle, as well as water-methanol injection percent. Quick, easy, positive adjustments are made with 2 push buttons. Low profile design allows for easy-to-view and discrete mounting. Kit includes: • SHO (Special High Output) Pump • 3 Quart Reservoir • LCD Screen, Pushbutton Digital Variable Mapping Controller • 2 Nozzles To Cover a Wide Range of Horsepower • 10 feet High Pressure Tubing (1200psi burst) • Comprehensive Instructions • All Required Hardware Needed For Installation __________________ Scott VanderHeide - Motorsports Director - Fontana Nissan/NissanRaceShop www.nissanraceshop.com www.youtube.com/scottvanderheide

09-05-2009, 07:51 AM	#13 (permalink)
zulus370Z Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 97 Drives: Black 370Z 6M Rep Power: 15	I had a methanol kit by snow performance on my Acura RSX typeS Turbo and it made a world of a difference. My injectors were tapped out, so the meth allowed me to increase my boost safely, without detonating. Very cool feature to have on a high performance-boosted car. I used to have a stand alone data logger and you could actually see the air intake temperature decrease as the kit came on. Very impressive. Lastly, Methanol is cheap compared to race gas.

09-08-2009, 10:27 AM	#14 (permalink)
Scott@FontanaNissan Supporting Nissan Dealer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fontucky, CA Posts: 857 Drives: 91 Sentra GTi-R Rep Power: 25	Thanks for the feedback! I've been happy with my kit that I've been using for the last two years! Scott __________________ Scott VanderHeide - Motorsports Director - Fontana Nissan/NissanRaceShop www.nissanraceshop.com www.youtube.com/scottvanderheide

09-09-2009, 07:56 AM	#15 (permalink)
Solus Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Jacksonville, NC Posts: 453 Drives: 2009 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 16	So will this boost hp w/o a tune? I guess I ask because I posted asking about using cam2 fuel or something of the nature and was told that without a tune it won't do me any good so I am having a hard time seeing how this will help?

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