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Jamaica 04-18-2011 02:15 PM

i dont even know what to say...car is amazing. If you guys had the chance to see it and drive in it...then you will understand. Nothing like this will ever be done again on a 370z or even come close.

NewYorkJon34 04-18-2011 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamaica@UAMotorsports (Post 1060120)
i dont even know what to say...car is amazing. If you guys had the chance to see it and drive in it...then you will understand. Nothing like this will ever be done again on a 370z or even come close.

With a 1000hp I don't think anyone will disagree with you :tup: So since you've rode in it, does that mean it's nearing completion?

bullitt5897 04-18-2011 03:23 PM

Guys I am looking to sell this to a collector not your everyday Joe and not to one of my friends. This car has alot of exclusivity especially when it comes to parts. If it doesn't look like I am going to get what I want for it you will see a lot of parts go up for sale. And I will keep the z or sell it for $60k or so without all the bells and whistles... Simple as that. Am I wanting to move the car yeah but I'm not going to sacrifice my investment into the car. Even at $120k I am losing money... It's part of the game. I have been around the scene long enough to know how much it can fetch and honestly a $60k offer would be insulting. There is a $20k+ motor in the car right now... And the most expensive datalogging f-con system with 6 EGT sensors!!! Some people say that they would rather buy a supercar for the price but how many supercars do you know of that would be able to rival the performance at this price? The answer is none... A gtr in this price range would get you 600hp you would be looking $50k onto of the gtr to reach these levels...

JB1 04-18-2011 04:09 PM

Mike, you've got to post a Video and Dyno sheets before I make an offer ;)

XwChriswX 04-18-2011 04:46 PM

So wait... is the car being sold, as is? Or will it be Completed... then sold?


Did you ever get to Track/Strip/Dyno it, or is there a plan to do so before the sale?


Or will it be finished off, then sold? Just trying to see where it stands in relation to the thread title... what were you able to achieve?


Whyyyyyyy Mike?! :rofl2: :(

bullitt5897 04-18-2011 04:51 PM

The car wont be up for sale until it gets here and I decide to sell it lol

XwChriswX 04-18-2011 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1060444)
The car wont be up for sale until it gets here and I decide to sell it lol

Well I'm telling you right now you can't sell it without at least 1 dyno run/vid! :mad:



I wanna see you hit your mark! :tup:


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Jamaica 04-18-2011 05:19 PM

Haha

Trips 04-18-2011 05:24 PM

Looks like another one bites the dust

Vinny 04-19-2011 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewYorkJon34 (Post 1060047)
I couldn't imagine spending 200k on a Z. Even though it's tits & it's really fast, I rather buy a supercar, Zr1, GTR, Audi R8, etc...

Not me! If i Had 140k to spend on 1 car it would be this one. Good luck with the sale and I hope this beast finds a good home!

SAM@GTM 04-20-2011 02:27 PM

We are happy to report that the manifold is on the car and fitting beautifully. Unfortunately, with all the changes we made, we are forced to redesign and make new fuel rails. The fuel rails have to be fabricated from blank billets and are in the works. Once we have fuel rails, we should be able to fire up the car and move forward. Here are some pictures of where we're at.

Sam


Kingbaby 04-20-2011 02:29 PM

Nice!

shumby 04-20-2011 02:29 PM

awsome work as always Sam

b1adesofcha0s 04-20-2011 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shumby (Post 1064312)
awsome work as always Sam

:iagree: :tup:

RCZ 04-20-2011 02:57 PM

Sucks about the fuel rails...

XwChriswX 04-20-2011 03:00 PM

Sam, I know this may be a silly question, and forgive me if the explaination got lost in the sea of :bs: obscuring this thread...

But what exactly are the differences between the VR38 manifold and the VQ37 manifold? Is it purely the material/design/legths of runners, or are there a series of reasons why this will be a much better improvement?

Just curious how this one say stacks up vs the stock manifold and say the Motordyne manifold as well??

bullitt5897 04-20-2011 03:01 PM

Those of you comparing the build to an italia 458 did not read my original post... At the price that we were discussing as a fair market value for this car I.e. $120k the power performance could not be beat by most exotics... A built 700hp gtr would cost around this price and it would be a close match in a drag race... But again there are many variables which could change te outcome. I am not taking everyones comments as criticisms however some newer members here made accounts specifically to rag or as you would say keep things real... Honestly, I could care less. We are pushing the countries of the 370z platform with new ideas, concepts and technology. For you newer members it has been mine and my partners in this build along with UA motorsports and it's partners who have been innovating and bringing new products and technology advancements to this market and platform. No expense was spared on this build so that this build could be the very best you could do with te 370z platform. Some may not agree with my release of info on the build but that's your issue. Alot of the crap that's in this thread comes from garbage that isn't helpful to the thread. Their has been a reason why I don't post much on the thread tired of the garbage that seems to make it into threads like these.

Z eliminator 04-20-2011 03:02 PM

Oh good. More things to by for the car.
manifold. fuel rail. return fuel system.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

now if i only had my stage 2 SC. and the traction control.

Sam do not put this on my account.

DIGItonium 04-20-2011 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 1064308)
Unfortunately, with all the changes we made, we are forced to redesign and make new fuel rails...


Wow what a domino effect. Mike did mention something about custom fuel rails for his larger injectors. So even with the injectors for Stage 1 and 2 kit, these custom fuel rails will be required for this new manifold? Just wanted to be clear...

Thanks for the heads up. :tup:

bullitt5897 04-20-2011 04:04 PM

Digi I will let Sam explain in detail but from my conversation with him is simply the fact that the mounting points are not in the same location for the fuel rails and thus new ones have to be designed to fit and align properly. This will probably be sold as a kit or an add on option.

XwChriswX 04-20-2011 04:07 PM

Bullitt, could you answer my previous question, or is that best left to Sam?

bullitt5897 04-20-2011 05:04 PM

To answer your question both lol

not only is it different in design but the flow rate is supposed to be drastically higher and more stable for FI applications. We are still testing this and will have a great set of comparisons for you guys.

XwChriswX 04-20-2011 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1064871)
To answer your question both lol

not only is it different in design but the flow rate is supposed to be drastically higher and more stable for FI applications. We are still testing this and will have a great set of comparisons for you guys.

Awesome thanks. I'm guessing this will have slight/minimal gains for N/A as well, or will it somewhat hinder performance due to increased area with the same flow volume until you can get an F.I. setup?

SAM@GTM 04-20-2011 05:23 PM

Beside the obvious difference in material, we struggled making 700 to the wheel on an HR engine. As the boost pressure increases, peculiar issues begin to arise. Making a cast manifold will only pave the way for this platform. We are also planning on testing the manifold on an NA application to see what kind of results we will get.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 1064428)
Sam, I know this may be a silly question, and forgive me if the explaination got lost in the sea of :bs: obscuring this thread...

But what exactly are the differences between the VR38 manifold and the VQ37 manifold? Is it purely the material/design/legths of runners, or are there a series of reasons why this will be a much better improvement?

Just curious how this one say stacks up vs the stock manifold and say the Motordyne manifold as well??


SAM@GTM 04-20-2011 05:24 PM

The GTR manifold conversion will require its own set of fuel rails.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 1064476)
Wow what a domino effect. Mike did mention something about custom fuel rails for his larger injectors. So even with the injectors for Stage 1 and 2 kit, these custom fuel rails will be required for this new manifold? Just wanted to be clear...

Thanks for the heads up. :tup:


XwChriswX 04-20-2011 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 1064931)
Beside the obvious difference in material, we struggled making 700 to the wheel on an HR engine. As the boost pressure increases, peculiar issues begin to arise. Making a cast manifold will only pave the way for this platform. We are also planning on testing the manifold on an NA application to see what kind of results we will get.

Awesome, l'm looking forward to seeing the results, and how that GTR cover looks under the Z hood. Now all we need is a hood with plexiglass that can withstand the heat to show it off! :tup:

weiboy718 04-20-2011 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 1064931)
Beside the obvious difference in material, we struggled making 700 to the wheel on an HR engine. As the boost pressure increases, peculiar issues begin to arise. Making a cast manifold will only pave the way for this platform. We are also planning on testing the manifold on an NA application to see what kind of results we will get.

what about your supercharger applications?

SAM@GTM 04-20-2011 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 1064974)
what about your supercharger applications?

Absolutely :tup:

G37sHKS 04-22-2011 05:07 PM

Any update about VVEL control/crack?

B.A.Q 04-23-2011 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G37sHKS (Post 1068723)
Any update about VVEL control/crack?

all that I hear is GTM and UpRev are working on something but nothing happened yet

DON_Apollo 04-23-2011 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B.A.Q (Post 1069400)
all that I hear is GTM and UpRev are working on something but nothing happened yet

Man i know when it is crackeed and the GTR manifold is ready im giveing him a call and getting a kit installed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

toner123 04-23-2011 09:55 AM

you know imo i don't think you will see to much gain, being NA since the system is already sapose to be performing on max efficiency. ZI think who will see the best gain is th SC guys and then the turbos. Jon are you planning on getting a FI kit after this or before this. I would say do it all at once that way sam can send you the optimal tune.

NewYorkJon34 04-23-2011 10:00 AM

ya, Im just waiting for the Stg.2 S/C press release to come out with some info before I order the kit. I do know though that Ill have the Stg.2 Supercharger before the year is up.

Gixxer2k4 04-23-2011 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1064433)
Those of you comparing the build to an italia 458 did not read my original post... At the price that we were discussing as a fair market value for this car I.e. $120k the power performance could not be beat by most exotics... A built 700hp gtr would cost around this price and it would be a close match in a drag race... But again there are many variables which could change te outcome. I am not taking everyones comments as criticisms however some newer members here made accounts specifically to rag or as you would say keep things real... Honestly, I could care less. We are pushing the countries of the 370z platform with new ideas, concepts and technology. For you newer members it has been mine and my partners in this build along with UA motorsports and it's partners who have been innovating and bringing new products and technology advancements to this market and platform. No expense was spared on this build so that this build could be the very best you could do with te 370z platform. Some may not agree with my release of info on the build but that's your issue. Alot of the crap that's in this thread comes from garbage that isn't helpful to the thread. Their has been a reason why I don't post much on the thread tired of the garbage that seems to make it into threads like these.

I wish i could do a 1/4 of what your doing to your Z. I do believe its your car so do what you want and release what info you wish at your own discretion.

RCZ 04-25-2011 09:41 AM

Sorry for seeming negative, I meant no offense. What are the performance spec goals you have in mind?

bullitt5897 04-25-2011 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 1072287)
Sorry for seeming negative, I meant no offense. What are the performance spec goals you have in mind?

No need to apologize RCZ, you have been very constructive during this whole build and I respect that. Some other newer members on the other hand have no respect for peoples build threads and feel it necessary to bring trash into the conversation. As far as spec goals I am not going to just throw numbers out there but rather let the final numbers speak for themselves. Sam told me on the phone thursday that the car is nearing completion and should be done in days rather then weeks. So I have already lined up my other shops to ASAP their build process for the new Audio system, Racing Air ride setup and body parts!!! Its really up to Sam to finalize this last bit of tuning and then the car will be just a few weeks from total completion.

I am debating on the next Z already and thinking of picking up a Vert... Maybe introduce a hardtop into the market if their is enough interest. :tup:

b1adesofcha0s 04-25-2011 01:06 PM

That's good to hear man :tup:

I hope I'm not one of the bad newbs :ugh2:

DIGItonium 04-25-2011 01:38 PM

Hope all goes well with your project. I made the mistake of peeking over the other forum and tried to make a positive comment, but ended up getting scatter brained. Apologies to Sam, though... I got worried about my stuff and cracked.

So hopefully the fuel rails will be completed soon?

Kirkster 04-25-2011 04:40 PM

This is the OP's thread and if he wants a bit of civility that is his call.

All hater all the time gets old. Which is why the only place I bother to post over there is in the Mid-A area, and infrequently. I tried a few posts in the 370 area but response was lackluster at best and hater filled at worst. So I just go over there now to check on my friends.

Best of luck.

phelan 04-25-2011 04:44 PM

bullitt - so you'd have 3 cars?

i thought u were going to build the STi too...

so you'd have the white dragon, a built STi, and another Z vert????

just curious. and can you loan me some cash? :p


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