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DannyGT 12-07-2010 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 840020)
I hit 10.2psi way before redline just now. Anyone with a GTM SC wanna play? Come on, 60-160 run?

You dont want me from a 3rd gear roll...Especially from any point below 5k, LOL.

I know I have been quiet, but thats how you know i've been to busy having fun :icon17:

toner123 12-07-2010 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DannyGT (Post 840787)
You dont want me from a 3rd gear roll...Especially from any point below 5k, LOL.

I know I have been quiet, but thats how you know i've been to busy having fun :icon17:

LOL and i have been waiting to see what your car did on a dyno. You have any info for us

DannyGT 12-07-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 840797)
LOL and i have been waiting to see what your car did on a dyno. You have any info for us

Soon, I have been inandated with work and play for the last few weeks. Then the untimely death of a family member really messed me up their for a while and I didnt do much of anything.

I'm trying to get my interior put back together (lazyness on my part) and i'll hit the dyno soon and give results.

I have about -2.0 camber in the rear and I know the cold weather (30-40's) doesnt help at all, but man...2nd and 3rd gear is just brutal! Just from the manner in which I pull on my friends 335i who ran a 12.4 @ 112 tells me I'm probably trapping around 115-118. The car is quick and with some sticky rubber its going to be fun!

Contemplating on getting RaceLogic...

shumby 12-07-2010 01:35 PM

sorry to hear about the family issues danny

toner123 12-07-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DannyGT (Post 840935)
Soon, I have been inandated with work and play for the last few weeks. Then the untimely death of a family member really messed me up their for a while and I didnt do much of anything.

I'm trying to get my interior put back together (lazyness on my part) and i'll hit the dyno soon and give results.

I have about -2.0 camber in the rear and I know the cold weather (30-40's) doesnt help at all, but man...2nd and 3rd gear is just brutal! Just from the manner in which I pull on my friends 335i who ran a 12.4 @ 112 tells me I'm probably trapping around 115-118. The car is quick and with some sticky rubber its going to be fun!

Contemplating on getting RaceLogic...

I am sorry to hear about your loss, and hope that it was painless when he/she went.

I am glade to hear about the performance part of your car and please keep us updated.
Frank

DannyGT 12-07-2010 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 840940)
I am sorry to hear about your loss, and hope that it was painless when he/she went.

I am glade to hear about the performance part of your car and please keep us updated.
Frank

22 yrs old, music industry, loft in NYC, whores who love coke...I'm sure he went out on a quite a high. Can you tell I'm angry? But anyway - enough of that.

Forgot a couple of times just how tight I have to get these couplers, blew a couple of them open at WOT and that hasnt happen since my scooby days...YAYAYAY forced induction! I do have the ports drilled out for meth, but I just havent activated it yet. Probably wont until after the dyno. Make sure everything is 100%, which seems to be that way already.

Airboy 12-07-2010 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 840713)
Yes I understand this. Air is like anything else it is going to take the path of least resistance. But if you look at the design of the two tubes. there is no sharp bends and it might divide easily believe it or not.the resistance on the two tubes looks about the same other then the one tube is a little longer and i can see that might cause issues but the shorter tube bend comes first so it might equal out. My point being is that it is worth a try if people aren't satisfied with the draw through. Also it is not that hard to do. I already thought about how to do it with weiboy. Now the only thing that doesn't make sense to me is that stillen did this design because the NISSAN engineers said this is how it should be done. Not like they did this because it was a short cut. Also to my understanding this is how the GTR system works also, so why isn't that car having maf sensor location problems? These are general questions I was just thinking about.

Josh or Kyle I know what you guys think about the draw through maf sensors but do you think it is possible to make a proto-type tube that mounts the two maf sensors after the blower and see how the kit performs. I am almost positive weiboy will have no problem being your tester. Hell I will help pay for it if it will settle people down.
Frank

Does anybody know if the two throttle bodies have different/isolated paths though the water/air intercooler? Or, is it just one big core and the air is separated to the two cylinder banks after? If it is not divided inside the intercooler, having uneven flow through the throttle bodies is not as big a concern until you relocate the MAF sensor at those locations. While Nissan engineers may have wanted the pipes to be the way they are, I doubt they had MAF relocation in that plan.

MAF sensors have really strange readings when there is a bend just before the sensor.

Staples 12-07-2010 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 841384)
Does anybody know if the two throttle bodies have different/isolated paths though the water/air intercooler? Or, is it just one big core and the air is separated to the two cylinder banks after? If it is not divided inside the intercooler, having uneven flow through the throttle bodies is not as big a concern until you relocate the MAF sensor at those locations. While Nissan engineers may have wanted the pipes to be the way they are, I doubt they had MAF relocation in that plan.

MAF sensors have really strange readings when there is a bend just before the sensor.

370Z / G37 Supercharger System Progress: Intake Manifold & Intercooler : STILLEN

That should shed some light. By the way, the only difference with the setup then what the picture depicts is that actual supercharger location (driver's side, not passenger) and the fact the intake has a Y-pipe for two air filters and that's where the MAF sensors plug in.

Nixlimited 12-08-2010 11:09 PM

I wonder if the mixing of two different intake streams measured by two different MAFs in the Stillen system is causing any of the idling issues that a few people are reporting.

weiboy718 12-09-2010 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 843900)
I wonder if the mixing of two different intake streams measured by two different MAFs in the Stillen system is causing any of the idling issues that a few people are reporting.

I was datalogging the other day. I noticed my 2 Maf's are reading slightly different from one another.

shumby 12-09-2010 09:57 AM

^^^hehehehehehehehe

toner123 12-09-2010 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 844280)
I was datalogging the other day. I noticed my 2 Maf's are reading slightly different from one another.

How much different. they are never going to read exactly the same thats why they have ranges.
Frank

RCZ 12-09-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DannyGT (Post 840787)
You dont want me from a 3rd gear roll...Especially from any point below 5k, LOL.

I know I have been quiet, but thats how you know i've been to busy having fun :icon17:

haha why wouldn't I? I was making like 9 psi below 5k. 6at like 4k. Not sure what you mean by that. Is it that your unit is smaller and spools quicker?

like someone said, get a dyno already! I gotta go get mine too now that it makes 2 more psi than it when I dynoed last.

Fezzik 12-09-2010 03:49 PM

I think i may be getting a dyno this monday. Lets keep our fingers crossed

weiboy718 12-09-2010 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fezzik (Post 844850)
I think i may be getting a dyno this monday. Lets keep our fingers crossed

I'm getting one this Saturday

cav115 12-09-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 844280)
I was datalogging the other day. I noticed my 2 Maf's are reading slightly different from one another.

the stock car does that, not a problem.

Phimosis 12-12-2010 07:52 PM

Cataylitic fondue
 
Just a short update: I melted my Stillen HFC's during a track session. The cats had about 8k miles on them, 3k with supercharger. about 10 minutes into second session, after a redline shift, back to 5k, then off the throttle and "pop!" like a backfire, then the engine note changed and power was way down. I shut it off, called it a day, talked to the guys at Stillen (it threw a cataylst insufficiency code) then took it to a local mechanic. He took it apart. Both cats were melted. One core broke loose and was serving as a cork in the HFC's outlet.

I put the stock cats back on it and it runs fine. Maybe a little down on power, but not a lot. Has a less macho engine note too. :-(

Why do I post this? Because leaning out the a/f ratio is the most likley reason to get a cat hot enough to melt. Granted, I had prolonged, high rpm, full throttle use... but add the lean condition and it's gonna get real hot. The concerning part to this is that on the dyno, my car is pretty rich under boost all the way to redline. Is there something in real world driving - like fuel washout under high lateral g load - thats causing a lean condition? Just throwing it out there.....

350z 6spd 12-12-2010 08:03 PM

Depending on how rich it is, that can cause the cat to melt as well. The unburned fuel hits the hot core and it causes the fuel to combust. Having this happen for a prolonged period of time makes the cat hot enough to melt.

This happened to a lot of guys running Berk and other brand's HFC's on the 350, now most people just run test pipes on FI applications.

Q8y_drifter 12-12-2010 08:08 PM

You can get test pipes for like $180 now. Let Stillen know and tell them you want replacement TP's :D

weiboy718 12-12-2010 08:25 PM

i smell new tune and smaller pulley's with TP's

Lug 12-13-2010 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 350z 6spd (Post 848611)
Depending on how rich it is, that can cause the cat to melt as well. The unburned fuel hits the hot core and it causes the fuel to combust. Having this happen for a prolonged period of time makes the cat hot enough to melt.

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This is what I've always heard was the cat killer

weiboy718 12-13-2010 08:37 AM

Stillensuper cat killer!







Just kidding hahaha!

Talking about cat's. My car exhaust smells so bad and funky in the morning start up's. Like it's super super rich so bad that i have to get out of the car till it warms up.

Phimosis 12-13-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 849001)
Stillensuper cat killer!







Just kidding hahaha!

Talking about cat's. My car exhaust smells so bad and funky in the morning start up's. Like it's super super rich so bad that i have to get out of the car till it warms up.

Agreed! Eyes watering rich.

Test pipes are not really an option for me. I live in the city with the worst air pollution in the US. I'm a professional and the city I live in is not that large, so I'm relatively high profile. All it takes is one angry person driving behind me with burning eyes from lack of cats to make a call to CHP and my supercharger fun is all over. The 10 hp loss is worth the 30x reduction in emissions.

Nixlimited 12-13-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 849160)
Agreed! Eyes watering rich.

Test pipes are not really an option for me. I live in the city with the worst air pollution in the US. I'm a professional and the city I live in is not that large, so I'm relatively high profile. All it takes is one angry person driving behind me with burning eyes from lack of cats to make a call to CHP and my supercharger fun is all over. The 10 hp loss is worth the 30x reduction in emissions.

What's your plan, if any, come smog time? I live in CA and am really torn on going FI on a 370Z because of the hassle.

toner123 12-13-2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 849160)
Agreed! Eyes watering rich.

Test pipes are not really an option for me. I live in the city with the worst air pollution in the US. I'm a professional and the city I live in is not that large, so I'm relatively high profile. All it takes is one angry person driving behind me with burning eyes from lack of cats to make a call to CHP and my supercharger fun is all over. The 10 hp loss is worth the 30x reduction in emissions.

Hey phim are you also running stillens tune or are you custom tuned. Judging by what you said about being in cali and all i am assuming you have the stillen tune going for the carb legal.
Frank

weiboy718 12-13-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 849183)
What's your plan, if any, come smog time? I live in CA and am really torn on going FI on a 370Z because of the hassle.

Solution is get a kit that is carb legal.

On a side note you probably won't have to smog till the year of 2012-2013 depending on the year of your car.

Nixlimited 12-13-2010 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 849225)
Solution is get a kit that is carb legal.

On a side note you probably won't have to smog till the year of 2012-2013 depending on the year of your car.

Don't have a 370Z yet, but I thought there was 5-6 years on a new car. Had to sell my STi before I moved back to CA because of CARB and recently sold my M3. Currently torn between an Evo X and FI 370Z. I want a turbo car, but not sure if I want to deal with the hassle of a 370Z TT in CA and the S/C kits just don't excite me that much.

christian370z 12-14-2010 12:43 AM

The most difficult thing about CARB inspections is the visual section: most of these FI cars with a good tune and functioning cats will pass the sniffer just fine however the visual inspection will bite you. I found someone who "forgot" the visual on my big turbo '96 Saab and the car passed the sniffer but it is a bit of a pain to worry about finding someone who won't do visual.

Nixlimited 12-14-2010 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 850220)
The most difficult thing about CARB inspections is the visual section: most of these FI cars with a good tune and functioning cats will pass the sniffer just fine however the visual inspection will bite you. I found someone who "forgot" the visual on my big turbo '96 Saab and the car passed the sniffer but it is a bit of a pain to worry about finding someone who won't do visual.

Yeah, that's all I am worried about. I think the visual is BS by the way. If the point is to regulate emissions, why not judge the cars based on their emissions? Chances are your FI 370Z runs much cleaner than the '92 LeBaron driving down the street, but for some reason your car is illegal and the other isn't.

Phimosis 12-14-2010 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 849183)
What's your plan, if any, come smog time? I live in CA and am really torn on going FI on a 370Z because of the hassle.

I don't keep cars that long, so it will be sold before it needs to be smogged. Hopefully by that time Stillen will have carb approval on their kit and I'll revert it back to the CARB kit specs before I sell it. As a side note, smog occurs at 6 years. from the Cal DMV website: "Vehicles that are six or less model-years old are abated from the biennial smog check inspection requirement."

About my tune: It is a "custom" tune. Stillen tuned it, but then that tune is probably being used as their canned tune for anyone who's running the 9 lb pulley, using 93 octane and has headers and cats. It's definitely different than their 91 octane, 8 lb pulley, stock exhaust tune.

toner123 12-14-2010 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 850841)
I don't keep cars that long, so it will be sold before it needs to be smogged. Hopefully by that time Stillen will have carb approval on their kit and I'll revert it back to the CARB kit specs before I sell it. As a side note, smog occurs at 6 years. from the Cal DMV website: "Vehicles that are six or less model-years old are abated from the biennial smog check inspection requirement."

About my tune: It is a "custom" tune. Stillen tuned it, but then that tune is probably being used as their canned tune for anyone who's running the 9 lb pulley, using 93 octane and has headers and cats. It's definitely different than their 91 octane, 8 lb pulley, stock exhaust tune.

Thank you for answering. So it is safe to say that yes your car was tunned by stillan but was custom tuned. I am trying to understand then why you are running rich. I though normally rich was a common thing to see on canned tunes because it is safer and less chance of error.
Frank

Phimosis 12-15-2010 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 850858)
Thank you for answering. So it is safe to say that yes your car was tunned by stillan but was custom tuned. I am trying to understand then why you are running rich. I though normally rich was a common thing to see on canned tunes because it is safer and less chance of error.
Frank

I don't have time to review it now, but my dyno graphs from early july in this thread show something like 10.2:1 to redline. That is rich. Rich mix gives quench effect, lowering cylinder temperatures and preventing pitting of pistons. Rich also is less likely to detonate because it takes more energy to light the mix.

On the flip side, with stock cats back on it, it's not eye watering from exhaust fumes anymore, even though the A/F ratio is the same. I've never owned hi-flow cats before, but now I 'get it'. Stock cats have like 2" diameter inlet/outlet and 10 pounds of catalyst material in them. The hi-flow cats have like 2 1/4" diameter with 2 pounds of catalyst in them. The "hi-flow" part is more that there's not really much catalyst in them rather than being a better design with less resistance, but same catalytic efficiency.

Fezzik 12-15-2010 06:26 PM

with the stock cats back on with a really rich mixture will kill those cats.

kevin8086 12-17-2010 09:34 AM

wow, that was a lot of reading. i really wish most of the bs was not in there. i learned to skip over it at about page 100 or so. It seems that most of the issues have been resolved and the cars are running good. Are there any cars with custom tunes that are having any problems? it all seems that the canned tunes were having problems and that was so you can keep you warranty so if you dont care about the warranty and went with a custom tune how are the cars doing?

weiboy718 12-17-2010 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kevin8086 (Post 854778)
wow, that was a lot of reading. i really wish most of the bs was not in there. i learned to skip over it at about page 100 or so. It seems that most of the issues have been resolved and the cars are running good. Are there any cars with custom tunes that are having any problems? it all seems that the canned tunes were having problems and that was so you can keep you warranty so if you dont care about the warranty and went with a custom tune how are the cars doing?

HAhaha! YOU're kidding right? I didn't even read through 10 pages lol. THe warranty only applies if you use stillens tunes and is only good for 1yr for the hardware. AFTer it's CARB legal then you have the option to purchase the optional engine warranty.

As far as I know the guy's that has a full custom tune is running good and making very decent power. Osiris was having some issues even on a custom tune, he probably got that taken care of already.

kevin8086 12-17-2010 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718 (Post 854795)
HAhaha! YOU're kidding right? I didn't even read through 10 pages lol. THe warranty only applies if you use stillens tunes and is only good for 1yr for the hardware. AFTer it's CARB legal then you have the option to purchase the optional engine warranty.

As far as I know the guy's that has a full custom tune is running good and making very decent power. Osiris was having some issues even on a custom tune, he probably got that taken care of already.

haha, no not kidding. i went through 90% of this whole thread and am very stressed out. not any more but it was stressful. im not a big fan of not having a warranty but the s/c can be rebuilt so i guess it's not to big of a deal. im going to talk to a tuner out here that is the best i have ever come across chris macellaro who teaches efi 101. he tuned my tt 350z and solved all my drivability issues with the utec. this was after gtm tuned it and it still wasnt right. ill be in touch with you after the hollidays, have fun in vegas.

RCZ 12-17-2010 10:06 AM

My car is running strong still. Only issue I have is with the crazy temperature swings we're having here in Miami. One day I drive at 40deg then the next time I start the car its almost 70deg. I think the car freaks out and thinks theres something wrong so it throws a cel right when the car first turns on. I drive it a little while and the light goes away. Only happens when weather goes from cold to hot and not the other way around. Very punctual. If the temp difference isn't big then no problem, its only when there's a good 30deg diff.

Happening to anyone else? SC'd or not?

toner123 12-17-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 854840)
My car is running strong still. Only issue I have is with the crazy temperature swings we're having here in Miami. One day I drive at 40deg then the next time I start the car its almost 70deg. I think the car freaks out and thinks theres something wrong so it throws a cel right when the car first turns on. I drive it a little while and the light goes away. Only happens when weather goes from cold to hot and not the other way around. Very punctual. If the temp difference isn't big then no problem, its only when there's a good 30deg diff.

Happening to anyone else? SC'd or not?

Next time try to pull the code and see what ot says. Might just be a fuel trim issue. I know when i first had my tune I would pop a cel similar to this and it was a multiple/engine cylinder miss fire code. All sam had to do was adjust my fuel trim and never had it again. Supposable it is a common problem to have regardless of tuner.
Frank

weiboy718 12-21-2010 11:26 AM

This kit is the biggest regret in my life!

Mr.Squeeze 12-21-2010 11:46 AM

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I would like to add my two cents to this thread I am new to the forum and just picked up a 370z. I have be paying attention to this thread and the dyno numbers that people have been getting from this kit. I had a vortech V3 supercharged 03 350z that made more power than most people with this kit so far. I am not trying to start a war here but I know this blower can make more power,because its no where near being maxed out.


Im just waiting for stillen or someone to push this kit


Here is my dyno of my 350 3.12 pulley all bolt ons


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