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RCZ 08-07-2010 08:41 PM

Hmm, starting to wonder if this is actually Stillen's fault or if Stillen is covering up for Uprev and not throwing them under the bus..I'm sorry guys, but making a tune for this kit should not be a difficult task, specially so when you've been tuning cars forever like Stillen has. I highly highly doubt this is a problem due to the incompetency of Stillen Engineers. Do you all think they just forgot how to tune cars all of the sudden?

weiboy718 08-07-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 664080)
I didn't mean literally that is the number that tuners are sticking with throughout the entire rev range and under any boost condition. My biggest complaints have been about driveability at low rpm range where not much boost is being made. At 3,000 rpm my car, under boost is making 30 lb/ft torque less than stock and it's running 11.1:1 there. If it was leaned out in the midrange, it would act civil, make more power and get better mileage and be closer to emissions targets.

My car does make 422 whp at 7,500 rpm. That part is ok. I'm not suggesting they lean it out at redline. It's under 5,000 rpm where the tweaking with Stillen's tuning needs to occur. If you look at their press release, they are getting 340 lb/ft or torque in the midrange, where my car is only making 280 lb/ft.

seriously? you only made 280lb/ft of torque?

xbigb4ller69z 08-07-2010 09:33 PM

Why wouldnt you do a custom tune specifically for your car? It seems that all successful projects have been done that way. Im ordering the kit without the tune so that Jack at HPlogic can tune ir right. Thats the same thing RCZ did...

tomnavone 08-07-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xbigb4ller69z (Post 664231)
Why wouldnt you do a custom tune specifically for your car? It seems that all successful projects have been done that way. Im ordering the kit without the tune so that Jack at HPlogic can tune ir right. Thats the same thing RCZ did...

no warranty if someone besides stillen tunes your car and it blows up your **** out of luck. i believe its a 3 year 36,000 warranty. I beleive RCZ is the only one on this forum that has successfully tuned his car from an independant party. RCZ has the golden kit its the only one that works. Im curious if RCZ changed out the old pully for the new pully and gotten the same dyno results with the new pully that they are shipping with the kits now

Seb@SZ 08-07-2010 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris@FsP (Post 663973)
We are using the normal version of Uprev, and doing a custom tune. This particular ECU ROM has a few bugs in it.

Chris is it a particular ROM ID #? If so which one?

thanks

xbigb4ller69z 08-08-2010 12:16 AM

I dont think its the kit... I think its the tuner knowing whats right. I believe he has the old pulley.

MMC Racing 08-08-2010 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 664189)
Hmm, starting to wonder if this is actually Stillen's fault or if Stillen is covering up for Uprev and not throwing them under the bus..I'm sorry guys, but making a tune for this kit should not be a difficult task, specially so when you've been tuning cars forever like Stillen has. I highly highly doubt this is a problem due to the incompetency of Stillen Engineers. Do you all think they just forgot how to tune cars all of the sudden?

If my new Sync Navigation fails in my new Raptor - do I call up and blame Microsoft or take it to my Ford dealer?

Stillen designed and sells this kit. They SHOULD HAVE done enough testing on different vehicles to catch any tuning related problems. This is 100% on Stillen - don't even try to place the blame with someone else.

LateralG'z 08-08-2010 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 664189)
Hmm, starting to wonder if this is actually Stillen's fault or if Stillen is covering up for Uprev and not throwing them under the bus..I'm sorry guys, but making a tune for this kit should not be a difficult task, specially so when you've been tuning cars forever like Stillen has. I highly highly doubt this is a problem due to the incompetency of Stillen Engineers. Do you all think they just forgot how to tune cars all of the sudden?

I am almost 100% sure it is Uprev with Stillens canned tune which is why they are there, I know Uprev is all F*** up on my ECU and I am not using the canned tune.

Chris@FsP 08-08-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Seb@SZ (Post 664350)
Chris is it a particular ROM ID #? If so which one?

thanks

PM'd.

Seb@SZ 08-08-2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris@FsP (Post 664624)
PM'd.

Thank you!

xbigb4ller69z 08-10-2010 09:44 AM

any updates Stillen?

RCZ 08-10-2010 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing (Post 664411)
If my new Sync Navigation fails in my new Raptor - do I call up and blame Microsoft or take it to my Ford dealer?

Stillen designed and sells this kit. They SHOULD HAVE done enough testing on different vehicles to catch any tuning related problems. This is 100% on Stillen - don't even try to place the blame with someone else.

Have you seen the other thread with the Stillen kit that doesn't work because uprev software is having issues with a certain ROM? That's Stillen's fault too?

I don't disagree that the software is part of the kit and therefore Stillen is at fault as it is being sold by them. I'm not trying to point any fingers, I'm trying to figure out, like everyone else, why this is going on.

I don't think Stillen is unable to tune for this kit, I think the variations from situation to situation are causing problems. (ie. Different ROMS) That's why everyone that is custom tuned has no issues...

There are definitely bugs to be ironed out and I'm glad Stillen has the resources to do so..

LateralG'z 08-10-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 668581)
Have you seen the other thread with the Stillen kit that doesn't work because uprev software is having issues with a certain ROM? That's Stillen's fault too?

I don't disagree that the software is part of the kit and therefore Stillen is at fault as it is being sold by them. I'm not trying to point any fingers, I'm trying to figure out, like everyone else, why this is going on.

I don't think Stillen is unable to tune for this kit, I think the variations from situation to situation are causing problems. (ie. Different ROMS) That's why everyone that is custom tuned has no issues...

There are definitely bugs to be ironed out and I'm glad Stillen has the resources to do so..

Careful there on that statement, mine is a custom tune and my ROM is all jacked up. But I can agree that uprev is having issues

tomnavone 08-10-2010 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 668581)
Have you seen the other thread with the Stillen kit that doesn't work because uprev software is having issues with a certain ROM? That's Stillen's fault too?

I don't disagree that the software is part of the kit and therefore Stillen is at fault as it is being sold by them. I'm not trying to point any fingers, I'm trying to figure out, like everyone else, why this is going on.

I don't think Stillen is unable to tune for this kit, I think the variations from situation to situation are causing problems. (ie. Different ROMS) That's why everyone that is custom tuned has no issues...

There are definitely bugs to be ironed out and I'm glad Stillen has the resources to do so..

There doesnt seem to be anyone on this forum or the g35/37 forum that has custom tuned the kit using the uprev software and gotten the same results that u have. Tell us the secret to tune it;)
Are u using the old pully or the new one? If you are using the new pully have u had a chance to dyno it?

Red370 08-10-2010 03:31 PM

kinda wondering why Stillen didnt use a Cobb AP to tune the kit... AAM used one for their TT kit and from what I can tell, has turned out pretty damn good.

theDreamer 08-10-2010 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 668602)
kinda wondering why Stillen didnt use a Cobb AP to tune the kit... AAM used one for their TT kit and from what I can tell, has turned out pretty damn good.

Nothing against Cobb but for the 350z Uprev > Cobb, and since Cobb seems to be less interested in the 370z support again it will be Uprev > Cobb.
It takes time to get tuning right and this car is still fairly new.

Red370 08-10-2010 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 668606)
Nothing against Cobb but for the 350z Uprev > Cobb, and since Cobb seems to be less interested in the 370z support again it will be Uprev > Cobb.
It takes time to get tuning right and this car is still fairly new.

that may be so, but it appears Uprev might have screwed the pooch on this one, the AP hasnt had any problems yet with its tuning ability.

theDreamer 08-10-2010 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 668630)
that may be so, but it appears Uprev might have screwed the pooch on this one, the AP hasnt had any problems yet with its tuning ability.

Well considering only a few Cobb tunes have been done out there and one with FI?
Neither has Uprev, this is the first instance of problems which looking closer I have one question. LateralZ, how new is your Z? It is a 2010, which may mean Uprev just had not gotten your version of the ECU in house to unlock and verify no changes by Nissan yet.

CGMobile370Z 08-10-2010 04:27 PM

GTM uses UPREV without any issues so far, so I don't think you should discredit UPREV. I think Cobb seems very limited in how much fine tuning you can actually do.

Red370 08-10-2010 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CGMobile370Z (Post 668752)
GTM uses UPREV without any issues so far, so I don't think you should discredit UPREV. I think Cobb seems very limited in how much fine tuning you can actually do.

Not at all, same parameters can be adjusted. Nobody discredited anyone btw.

LateralG'z 08-10-2010 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 668639)
Well considering only a few Cobb tunes have been done out there and one with FI?
Neither has Uprev, this is the first instance of problems which looking closer I have one question. LateralZ, how new is your Z? It is a 2010, which may mean Uprev just had not gotten your version of the ECU in house to unlock and verify no changes by Nissan yet.

March 2010, they had my ecu in April and we had some minor issues, they made an update on their website but it still has issues. So they have had it for a long time. I trouble shoot all sorts of custom HVAC equipment everyday at work and all it takes is one small line of code and things go nuts. Most of my troubles at work come from controls.

LateralG'z 08-10-2010 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 668630)
that may be so, but it appears Uprev might have screwed the pooch on this one, the AP hasnt had any problems yet with its tuning ability.

Last I heard AP is not doing anything with 370Z anymore, they are focusing on the GTR and other boosted set-ups evo, wrx but that is just something I heard so take with a grain of salt.

Red370 08-10-2010 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LateralG'z (Post 668832)
Last I heard AP is not doing anything with 370Z anymore, they are focusing on the GTR and other boosted set-ups evo, wrx but that is just something I heard so take with a grain of salt.

the AP itself will not have any further updates, however the AP Race software can still be applied to tune anything you need to.

xbigb4ller69z 08-10-2010 05:19 PM

So the potential issue with a custom tune could be only on the 2010's because of the rom itself? Too new perhaps?

LateralG'z 08-10-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 668840)
the AP itself will not have any further updates, however the AP Race software can still be applied to tune anything you need to.

Did you use AP? I have zero experience with it so I have no idea about its abilities just read or heard from shops

Red370 08-10-2010 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LateralG'z (Post 668861)
Did you use AP? I have zero experience with it so I have no idea about its abilities just read or heard from shops

I'm running an AP tune, but they're really popular in the Subaru community/Forced Induction crowd, they've always been a very reliable tuning device.

LateralG'z 08-10-2010 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 668901)
I'm running an AP tune, but they're really popular in the Subaru community/Forced Induction crowd, they've always been a very reliable tuning device.

Good to know thanks :tup:

Phimosis 08-11-2010 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 668581)
Have you seen the other thread with the Stillen kit that doesn't work because uprev software is having issues with a certain ROM? That's Stillen's fault too?

I don't disagree that the software is part of the kit and therefore Stillen is at fault as it is being sold by them. I'm not trying to point any fingers, I'm trying to figure out, like everyone else, why this is going on.

I don't think Stillen is unable to tune for this kit, I think the variations from situation to situation are causing problems. (ie. Different ROMS) That's why everyone that is custom tuned has no issues...

There are definitely bugs to be ironed out and I'm glad Stillen has the resources to do so..

There are bugs to be ironed out, but I don't think it's the variability of the ROM's. My car was tuned by Stillen on Stillen's dyno and they had my car for 3 weeks. If my rom was a problem with a canned tune, they should have been able to overcome that.

My car is now in it's 3rd week at Stillen for the seoncd round of tuning (6 weeks total). I'll update you guys when I get it back.

:-)

tomnavone 08-11-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 670461)
There are bugs to be ironed out, but I don't think it's the variability of the ROM's. My car was tuned by Stillen on Stillen's dyno and they had my car for 3 weeks. If my rom was a problem with a canned tune, they should have been able to overcome that.

My car is now in it's 3rd week at Stillen for the seoncd round of tuning (6 weeks total). I'll update you guys when I get it back.

:-)

Good luck i hope they figure your car out. I called stillen yesterday and they said they will work on my tune after they figure out yours. Yay second in line:ughdance:.

LateralG'z 08-11-2010 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 670461)
There are bugs to be ironed out, but I don't think it's the variability of the ROM's. My car was tuned by Stillen on Stillen's dyno and they had my car for 3 weeks. If my rom was a problem with a canned tune, they should have been able to overcome that.

My car is now in it's 3rd week at Stillen for the seoncd round of tuning (6 weeks total). I'll update you guys when I get it back.

:-)

I have learned that there were differences in ROM's in the 350Z years so there could be ROM variances with the 370's. It could still be a possibility. That is kind of a long time for a company to tune the car, or is that just me?

Kastley85891 08-11-2010 10:10 PM

Sounds to me like you need some cut on kit profits for continued development, i.e. guinea pig - you guys have a lot of patience

LateralG'z 08-11-2010 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kastley85891 (Post 671166)
Sounds to me like you need some cut on kit profits for continued development, i.e. guinea pig - you guys have a lot of patience

:iagree: and thanks

MMC Racing 08-12-2010 07:44 AM

Stillen officially MIA in this thread.

ROC1ROB 08-12-2010 08:05 AM

Seems to me like they don't have the answers to the questions. Hmmmm..........

g37mobbin 08-12-2010 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phimosis (Post 670461)
There are bugs to be ironed out, but I don't think it's the variability of the ROM's. My car was tuned by Stillen on Stillen's dyno and they had my car for 3 weeks. If my rom was a problem with a canned tune, they should have been able to overcome that.

My car is now in it's 3rd week at Stillen for the seoncd round of tuning (6 weeks total). I'll update you guys when I get it back.

:-)

my car is been there since June 19th and counting...

SeeyaBud86 08-12-2010 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by g37mobbin (Post 671655)
my car is been there since June 19th and counting...

This is why I'm holding off on this kit. I don't like this tuning dilemma. I realize this may not be Stillen's fault, but maybe they should have waited on the release of the kit rather than have unimpressed customers/buyers. With the exception of RCZ...

g37mobbin 08-12-2010 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeyaBud86 (Post 671676)
This is why I'm holding off on this kit. I don't like this tuning dilemma. I realize this may not be Stillen's fault, but maybe they should have waited on the release of the kit rather than have unimpressed customers/buyers. With the exception of RCZ...


yeah, that is a good thing you did....let the testing/bugs kinks get worked out than make your decision to do so or not...i wanted to take my sedan to the next level and now testing my patience. I am hoping this well be worth it in the end.

Kyle@STILLEN 08-12-2010 01:01 PM

Update coming soon.

RCZ 08-12-2010 01:49 PM

I promise I didn't do anything different than anyone else. Installed the kit, towed over to HPL, tuned by Jack, been working right ever since. Knock on wood though. Hope you all get squared away soon.

Nitex 08-12-2010 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 672079)
I promise I didn't do anything different than anyone else. Installed the kit, towed over to HPL, tuned by Jack, been working right ever since. Knock on wood though. Hope you all get squared away soon.

I bet stillen gave RCZ free tug and rubs at the local massage house if he raved about his SC working perfectly :icon18:


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