Talking to a company's chief promoter is the easiest way to become biased. Looking at all of the data is the way to make the most accurate and unbiased assessment of the situation. This is what Chris is trying to do. Stating that he is misinformed is insulting.

If you want to call things like difficult hot starts a "tuning disaster", then then GTM has a tuning disaster as well. The tuning problems that I initially had with my car were not issues that could lead to engine damage or failure. Those issues were fixed long ago. My car has been running perfectly since September. GTM has had a problem getting their kit to market. Once they start getting more cars on the road like Stillen has, other problems - like GTM's hot start issue - are going to show up... Just like they did with Stillen. Then GTM will go back and fix those issues, just like Stillen did. GTM's mass deployment of the kit and the surfacing of problems still has not happened. They have two cars on the road (shumby and dreamer)? Stillen went through that process in June. Implying that GTM is "ahead" of Stillen is simply not accurate.

yeah i painfully read through all the threads before i dropped off my car at GTM..i dont have anything personal against Stillen or their products but honestly i was turned off by the negative reviews and lack of response from them..after taking Sam's car out for a test drive it was pretty easy for me to make the decision..

Reading all of that was kinda painful. Is there an update from Stillen with the tuning software or are we still in a holding pattern?

Turbo here I come...

WOW lol. Here is my opinion but then once again I know no one asked for it. First off I agree with Phim on the one subject. Dreamer I think you should post your results of the Dyno. Everyone knows that you are a test car in the sense of being with the headers and all but thats still valuable info the community can take in.

As for the GTM kit I am sure it can make 8 psi but it seems the people that have didn't want to go that high due to not knowing how there components would hold up or because they are testing things out to see what they can put on there cars to get it to work. As for the pipe that GTM is having to fix, that is a manufacture defect from a company GTM pays to do there pipe, not a reflection on GTM imo.

Now as for Stillen they have to really get this tune **** figured out. I don't think Stillen fabricated there numbers either as far as Dyno wise when they did it with there test car. I really think the car put that down. The part that gets me upset with the whole Stillen thing is that people have been unable to drive there cars now for 4-5 months. Also seems like the only way to go with this kit is custom tune and I think Stillen should help people get that and after they get there carb legal tune down then send it to others that want the carb kit. Blame situation taken care of and no one would be here wanting to rip others heads off. As for all the stuff floating around on the forum about the stillen kit. I only blame Stillen for that since they let us as a forum determine what was fiction and what was fact because they didn't come on here and give us a detailed explanation of what was going on.

I am not bashing Stillen just giving my opinion. I have nothing against them in the end and I am actually looking at them since I want to put a SC on my xterra, I just don't like how this whole situation is being dealt with. As for which kit is better I don't know because I don't own either one of them but I think if I was going to buy one I would be leaning on the GTM side just because from what I can see, is there customer service is better.

Phim as for numbers wise I think you are just going to have to wait for Danny to see what he puts down to compare which one is making more power. I know he is running on a canned tune from sam.
Frank

All forums go the same way eventually - makes for an amusing read when bored.

I am stuck away from home often and stuff like this keeps me smilin, now I got to thank everyone for that... ;-)

:hello: Come on in.. the waters greeeeeeeeat! :tup::driving:

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He's telling the truth :driving::happydance:

In everyone else's defense, you are in the Stillen thread yet have a GTM SC. I'm at a loss as to why GTM guys are in this thread, and vice-versa for that matter. It's a pissing match from both ends.

I agree, the forum is going downhill quickly, and that is because everyone is pissing at "the other guy". I'm still trying to figure out why. Has everyone become nothing more than a fanboi?

hah.. nothing wrong with a good passionate debate. Long as we get to the bottom of things that is. And no one is hurt in the process :icon17:

Looks like i will continue to wait on progress, by spring time would be nice /wink. I would like to see the Stillen kit get its tune worked out. I really like how the look turned out in the engine bay. But function over form for me in the end. -Edit*

I guess the only real question now is... Redo my home theater or.. Diffy/gears/clutch/flywheel haha...

Hey, guys, been working solid lately. On Vacation, now.

Now about HP numbers:
Kind of stings a bit, Uprev had ziltch for me, so I am going to Houston this next week and placing the Z on a Dyno. Let 'er rip. Hopefully have some cold hard facts to show. Place is called Carboy on Westheimer Drive in Houston.
Going in with stock exhaust system, carbs and headers. I don't have the fancy stuff RCZ has. But I do have a custom tune which seems to me very impressive. I was told the SC is ok with the stock 2.5" exhaust I have, only if I don't like the sound.
The SC is running well right now. Changed out the Vortech fluid as recommended at 2500 miles. Next interval is 7500. It seems that the more miles I put on it, the "smoother" it is getting. The blower still rattles a bit at idle. The signature "whistle" is neglible at normal highway speeds. I can't hear it. I finally broke the tires loose with VDC/Traction control ON today doing a turn onto a nice straightway. Felt great. The 7 speed Auto is just so fast! Forget it in Manual, I'm too slow. The Z is still smooth when passing somebody. I love that about this car. Just a slight depress on the accelerator and in a heartbeat, I'm in front! So much power here, I don't have to step on it at all. Oh, yeah and in a 25 mph headwind! I gotta tell you the Z drives far better than other cars (ok, especially the cube). Stiffer steering, finer control in the curves and low center of gravity. Oh and gas mileage has improved, too. Getting an extra 4-5 miles to the gallon. Averaging 30 mpg driving 70, for a fair number. So, yeah I have a happy ending to this story right now. Hope everyone gets theirs!

Buzz

I've done lots of business with Carboy and I've always been happy with their service. They even cut me a deal back in the day when I was struggling a bit with finances. I'm half tempted to swing by and check out your car on the dyno. :)

Once I lock down a time with them, I'll send you a message, either way.
Definitely get all your questions asked, heck, it will finalize a couple I have too.

Whoa, for sure man. Thanks. :) I really just want to hear that thing scream on the dyno.

hahaha, makes me laugh. I think we're spoiled with the 5.0.

Can't wait till mine gets in...