Maybe so, but then why is LateralG'z car producing almost the exact numbers on the same dyno as my car when I have Stillen's tune and his was custom tuned? Also, isn't GTM looking for CARB certification?

It may actually be a culimination of the two, which I believe is the case. As I said earlier I think it also comes down to "the dyno" used, it's setup, the car's setup, how it is strapped to the dyno, etc. Everyone's numbers seem to be all over the place. And since most tunes were accomplished using Uprev which if I understand correctly does not allow you to change very many parameters, compared to say SCT for Ford, then the numbers should be close. I've seen this exact thing on Mustang forums when I supercharged my '01, there were people with Vortech's kit that were getting very different numbers.

Might I also point out that most of the results I have seen on this forum have come from Stillen's kit. How many people on here have the GTM kit to compare their results to Shumby? I am curious to know how consistant the numbers will be with the GTM kit as people from all over the place are using different dyno's and GTM's canned tune vs. custom.

It's going to be interesting to see how this all pans out over time. Myself, I'm going to keep tracking and comparing dyno graphs as people post them and look for the consistencies or inconsistencies of canned and custom tunes.

I don't mean to be a ****, but what I meant is that I in no way feel bad for someone who comes in here with an attitude towards people who are trying to make things right. If someone makes a dumb joke at me like "what math are you using, stillen math?" implying that I'm a dumbass when I'm only trying to help, then you know what, f them. You knows know I don't sit quietly.

Also, Chris from wheels direct will attest to how my car is performing. So Shumby, nice try. Oh there's also that little thing called a dyno sheet with dyno videos. I'm not sure what else you want.

What this boils down to is there are usually 1 or 2 cars that hit the desired numbers from companies like Stillen when they do this whole dyno queen advertisement. In GTM’s case they showed lots of dyno plots ranging from 420-460whp. Showing difference setups/tunes…

I also believe there is more to RCZ's car than people know...Whether its fuel, dyno adjustments, just a ridiculously aggressive tune (which is OK as long as you have the supporting mods)...but when you officially/unofficially become the Stillen spokesperson I'm sure there is a certain interest in making sure that you attain these numbers.

Additionally, I still think its ****** up that you need all these supporting mods, along with other members to either 'just come close' or in your case exceed their numbers...when they claimed they did them with what? CBE?

Give me a break...It’s easy to say they are trying to help him out AFTER they took his 6k but its another to have 6k no longer in wallet and have to deal with multiple tunes and drivability issues and still not make the power they advertised...

And now Stillen is MIA on the forums, which is very odd to me for a company that supposedly knows about marketing. They are letting the problems be defined by the forum masses and look like they don't care about the people having problems. Who would order a Stillen kit today after reading this thread?

That is my huge issue with this whole thing, along with I'm sure many other people. Stillen made it a point MANY times over to point out how they go the extra mile to correct issues and make things right and such with their QC processes and here they are not saying a word.

Of course theres always the chance they just don't have news right now and are working hard on a solution to appease the masses rather than giving us all BS excuses or promises that they can't yet deliver on.

I really do care what you think. tell me more.

I defend their products because its the products I have on MY car. When you say they are crap, you're telling me what I have on my car is crap and so I feel like I have to say something about it.

You are right, my car isn't exactly the same as the rest of the ones being tested here. I can tell you exactly what went into my tune and it might shed a little more light. This is the SECOND time I will do this too, I did a few posts back already.

- 93oct: I can be a little more aggressive on timing than Stillen can on 91oct gas.
- Headers + HFC: Stillen had to use stock pieces there, their tune is for stock parts to meet CARB emissions, not for high numbers.
- Light flywheel + light pulley: Between these two, they release some HP.
- Custom tuning: as you all know, my car is custom tuned by a good tuner. That means that the tune will work great on my car, but might not work as great on the next persons.
- Racing oil cooler - will keep temps down

I'm on my 3rd license plate bracket from them (where they go in the tow hook location so you don't have to drill the bumper). They managed to F-up the first one - it was for a 2004.5 350z and Nissan had changed the diameter of the hole. They knew it, but continued to ship out the wrong one.. The next two have fit well..

So I'm probably a :nutswinger: with my <$300 spent with them over 6 years ;)

I had hopes for this system. I was very happy with the Vortech kit we had on the 350z (after pulley change, HFC, CBE, and tuning). At $4200 for the kit + the addons, it was a good value.

The sad "joke" of this situation is this is the more expensive kit this time around. GTM's supercharger kit for the 350z came out wildly expensive for minimal benefit over the Vortech. Now GTM has the cheaper kit while producing much better overall results (so far, not that many kits out there)..

UpRev allows you to do almost everything.

Up to 5 Maps on cruise control equipped vehiclesIdle RPMSpeed LimiterElectronic Throttle Control to achieve Wide Open Throttle at all speeds.Rev LimiterDTC disableAFR TargetsFuel CompensationIgnition Timing AdvanceCam Phasing for equipped vehicles.MAF transfer functionCranking Enrichment and Ignition AdvanceInjector LatencyK Fuel MultiplierIntake TempCalculated Load vs. RPMMinimum Effective Injector Pulse Width

UpRev is NOT a limiting factor... You can do everything with it on the VQ platform.

My 2 cents bro. :tiphat:



History is repeating itself with Stillen again.
Everyone ditched them in the 350z community for tuning reasons as well.
Look at all of the my 350 z forum stories on them.

I've benefited from Stillens Headers, Intakes, and HFC's.... But when it comes down to their FI options, the research shows to stay away.

Uprev is trying to provide a tune that can't be changed in certain areas as a requirement for CARB cert. Or have I read this wrong? :confused:

I didn't mean to imply that bro, sorry.

I was just stating that UpRev is a really solid tuning option for our engines.

True, but somewhere between Uprev, Stillen, and trying to achieve CARB cert, the game got a little more complicated. Both Stillen and Uprev thought they had a tune that met all the criteria but something obviously didn't jive with this setup. Welcome everyone to the world of being the first! :D

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Everyone please keep your posts ON TOPIC. Reply professionally and refrain from personally attacking another member. If you have a problem with another member, take that OUTSIDE the forum (via email or aim whatever). Posting in this forum is a privilege NOT right. I will take that (posting privilege) away if I see personal attacks or name calling.

Stillen, from what company to another, You need to come back in here and start answering people here. I respect you guys and i know that troubles like this happen, BUT you need to start telling people what is going on.

Help everyone out by at MINIMUM giving an update. I dont want to see you guys as those companies giving all the updates when they are trying to sell something only, and then neglecting when the problems start. You guys are better then that.

As of right now most of the people who has this kit can drive their car with this new tune. Only problem is it needs more power on higher rpms. I'm sure Stillen is trying their best to refine that latest tune for everybody. It's probably best to give them a call directly if you want more answers.

CARB's a bitch aint it just imagine if they could just rock a rich running, safe, high power tune like most shops can give you and emissions be damned