3 or 4 more months means $1000 or more...

no intro pricing discount

IMO if you are willing to drop this kind of money on a modification soley based on the forums opinion of what is best for you and your scenario then you may as well flip a coin...There is no right or wrong answer to your question.

If you involve a 3rd party shop AND you have problems with the first runs of these kits, the $1000 in savings will be eaten up with additional labor charges. Then put a $ amount on your time going back and forth to the shop, getting rides, and being inconvenienced. Then factor in the frustration from shop finger pointing and lost enjoyment of the vehicle.

I'd rather wait and pay more later. My time is extremely valuable.

Typically intro prices are 10% to 15% discount. I highly doubt the kit price will increase much more than $500.00 after the initial intro price. It would be a very bad move on GTM's part to tack on $1000 to $1500 on the kit already. Over time it will get cheaper for them to produce the kit especially if the volume of sales is good they can leverage better deals with thier suppliers.

Believe me, I know the game, I own several business. Intro pricing as just a marketing engine and business do it becasue it works. I even do it myself when I release new products and/or services.

My advice would be to buy it when your ready, there are bound to be improvements in this kit over time as there are bound to be some minor unforseen issues that we as customers will no doubt encounter. This is nothing against GTM or any other company out there, its just a fact. As much as I want this kit now I am holding back my urge to grab the plastic and make the call. I want to see how things ride over a few months and hear some feedback.

The last two posts from above are also very valid points to consider and are highly possible!

so looking into the tuning section of the forums it appears that COBB and UpRev only has been able to adjust af ratios... does it mean stillen and GTM were able to do something different and adjust other things (even VVEL)... or is it enough to adjust AF for these kits to be safe... OR more likely i just completely missed the mark on this...like i always do... hihihihih

AA is adjusting more than just AFR, Im sure the timing is being adjusted and some other areas Im not aware of.

Am I the only one that hates Zsteve's avatar? :shakes head:

I had a nice one of a girl in a bikini washing a car but I had to take it down, too r rated for here.

Haha, yeah, that was a great av, but NSFW for me.

Nope

I think it's hilarious...My sister is pregnant and I sent her the same picture telling her it was a sneak peek of what her kid was going to look like...Yea...She didn't like that! LMAO!

So whats wrong with a happy troll baby?

Ya had to change mine too:shakes head:

Steve, the ugly baby is just wierd! I was wondering why you pulled the hot chick! I was going to ask you to have her wash my car too!

LOL, this is really really off topic but I just have to share it.

I was driving to client site and I was watching this woman with HUGE knockers running after her toddler. She was wearin a really loose low cut shirt with no bra and those babys where bouncing so hard one of them popped out of her shirt! :eek: She stopped dead in her tracks and stuffed it back in. That sooo made my day! funny too!!

there is a poll out...

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ou-buying.html

I'll keep the poll clean and post my reasons here instead...

GTM

1. Performance (HP/TQ data) = Having a one size fits all technique does not work. More options mean better results for the end user without sacrificing as much. The fact that GTM has done what they have done with everything else stock only means the numbers will go up from here. Besides, the two are close in peak numbers but the GTM seems to have a much nicer 'overall' curve.

2. Price = Cant beat it right now.

3. Name Brand = Like I have told my EVO brothers, GTM is the AMS of Nissan/Infinite, nuff said.

4. Customer Service/Reputation = Seriously? Sam is the man. He has more hours under his belt on FI'd VQ37 motors than anyone. The fact is, on the forums, your not talking to a salesman, your talking to the guy that built and tuned your car. Great, Stillen has racing heritage...I also know 2 brothers that both got rid of Stillen SC setups on their 350z to opt for something else. You cant really go into a 350/Titan forums and bring up Stillen without flame fests. They might have racing in them but to me they always seem to find a way to mess something up on all of their kits. I hope they dont mess around with this car.

5. Warranty options = Standard

6. Reliability = No brainer, if you want to push above 500whp on a stock motor lets not talk about it. If your within their spec and you do your regular maintenance, well then, you should have no problems.

7. Aesthetics (Looks/Sound) = Stealth with just enough sound so those around you know you mean business...thats my style.

8. Have other parts by company already on car = I have a mix of both Stillen and GTM. What can I say? I have had zero problems with the Stillen intakes but like others it required me to hack up some holes (who cares, really) and the Exhaust you ask? Well I dont have to indulge much (where is the racing heritage in that piece? LOL) on that when it seems like 50%+ had issues with the exhaust. After a couple of months I hacked it up to something much cleaner. The GTM oil cooler and resonated test pipes have been no problems so far. Not to mention how important the 'little things' are, I really liked they included a thermostatic plate for the cooler when no one else was...

9. I didn't know...just went with what others told me! = No.

can somebody please show me what the heat exchanger/inter cooler radiator of the stillen kit looks like and how it looks installed if possible?

What happened to the GTM vs Stillen supercharger poll? It was very entertaining.

it asked me to login in to follow the link, so i'm guessing it was moved to a moderator only area for clean up or to be deleted. Must have gotten too fun for this forum.

After reading the oil cooler problems, the G37 turbo install, and every other negative storys about modifiying a 3.7. im thinking of keeping all the N/A mods and consentrating on my 350 with the stroker kit and the 850 ttbb's.
Who knows what problems will happen with either one of these kits.
I was thinking or installing the GTM turbo and cancalling the SC, but after reading the lateist post's i'm not sure what to do.
I have an oil cooler and tranny cooler coming from GTM.
I think that i will take the adapter and coolers and make my own lines.
I am having nightmares of what would happen if an oil line let go at 110 miles per hour while running down the 1/4 mile!!!
It could be " bye bye 370Z and lots of pain if it flips and hits the concrette barriers"
if the oil hits the back wheels.
Could be time to sell the Z and get the new mustang.

I think your over-reacting a bit.

1. The concern about the oil cooler is legitmate. Hopefully it was just a batch of some bad cables. I have beaten the crap out of my car and mine is holding up well. >7k miles.

2. The other story was cleared up by Sharif, and dont forget the customer took it to GTM and they are the ones who ended up finishing the project. From what I understand everything is working as intended after it was completed by GTM. The problem was with bad employees at FP that Sharif said no longer work their anymore. **** happens, I'm glad he cleared it all up!

Relax man...

I agree there is definitly some risk involved but I feel the supercharger is a pretty safe bet. A whole lot more could go wrong with TT setup. I think if you had an oil pressure gauge with an alarm you could shut things down pretty fast before damage occurs.

I think you should stay in the game with the GTM SC kit and roll with it. I want this kit so bad I can taste it but it wont be until this summer or early fall before I have enough saved up for it. I am not even going to mess with an oil cooler, I really dont think I need one for my application. My Z is is strictly a recreational vehicle and I plan to track it here at Bandemere but nothing serious. Denver is pretty moderate in the summer and nice and cool in the winter.

I have learned to keeping things simple and to a large degree "if it aint broke dont fix it" attitude will save your wallet. Whenever I have got all gung ho in modifying something then stuff starts breaking.

I dont think it would be a good idea to make your own oil lines, then the liability is all on you.

Dood don't worry it was my cooler that blew up and look at what i did, True high pressure bulletproof (almost literally) lines that you could hang the engine from without worrying about them breaking. There HAS to be a hydraulic shop near you that could do the same, just look for heavy equipment repair or sales like backhoes. The line i posted is one of the only ones i could find that was good for over 300 degree temps though make sure you specify what hydraulic line you want used.

Edit: don't believe the hype and stay away from the muffstain it's still going to have the build quality of a giant pile of poo, and not be able to turn.

Sam called me and offered to send me a TT kit and a the SC kit and i could pick which one i wanted. He explaned all the issues with the TT kit and that there was no issues when they re installed it.
I will be staying with the SC, it will be the first one that he sends out.
He told me that he does not make any parts for mustangs.

Any idea on the time frame?