Fast Intentions Stage 2 TT build by MA-Motorsports.

Elmo370z · 11-19-2021, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

It's Xonarotor, they don't need no silly compressor map. LMAO!!!!

I am not sure what the Motec M150 package can handle. Need to find addition spots for data logging. I do not know if any are available. They will need to be written into the firmware to make it happen. I didn't get that far. My chit keeps breaking stuff.

All turbos have an efficiency range they work, knowing that ensure you’re not spinning the turbos past what they are capable of. To each it’s own, more data you know the more knowledge you have of what everything is doing.

Spooler · 11-19-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

All turbos have an efficiency range they work, knowing that ensure you’re not spinning the turbos past what they are capable of. To each it’s own, more data you know the more knowledge you have of what everything is doing.

It was a joke dude. The sucky part about Xonarotor is they do not have any maps for their turbos. I hate that chit.

Elmo370z · 11-19-2021, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

It was a joke dude. The sucky part about Xonarotor is they do not have any maps for their turbos. I hate that chit.

Dang that’s stinks. Like precision they don’t have any maps either

Spooler · 11-19-2021, 12:24 PM

I can say this. I was out of compressor wheel at 25psi of boost. That is when my IAT's started to climb. I ran out of turbine at 29psi of boost. That is when I made 996whp at 28psi and at 29psi I made 1004whp. So, the question is do I go to a 58mm compressor wheel or a 60mm compressor wheel.

Elmo370z · 11-19-2021, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

I can say this. I was out of compressor wheel at 25psi of boost. That is when my IAT's started to climb. I ran out of turbine at 29psi of boost. That is when I made 996whp at 28psi and at 29psi I made 1004whp. So, the question is do I go to a 58mm compressor wheel or a 60mm compressor wheel.

Big as possible. Little lag don’t hurt anything for what you want to do.

Spooler · 11-19-2021, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

Big as possible. Little lag don’t hurt anything for what you want to do.

Then the question is, what will fit without having to build custom tubular exhaust manifolds. Custom stuff isn't cheap at all as you know.

Elmo370z · 11-19-2021, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Then the question is, what will fit without having to build custom tubular exhaust manifolds. Custom stuff isn't cheap at all as you know.

That’s the question. You don’t have much room to work with. Either you stick with what you have and be happy, drive the car and enjoy it which is what I recommend doing. Or put it under surgery to get a proper pair of twins and be down for an extended period of time. You need seat more then anything, you need data. You’re car has been in the shop since the first build. I’d say drive it, race all next year and then decides if you want to make the journey to upgrading turbos for more power or invest in making what you have now faster which tuning other aspect of the car.

Spooler · 11-19-2021, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

That’s the question. You don’t have much room to work with. Either you stick with what you have and be happy, drive the car and enjoy it which is what I recommend doing. Or put it under surgery to get a proper pair of twins and be down for an extended period of time. You need seat more then anything, you need data. You’re car has been in the shop since the first build. I’d say drive it, race all next year and then decides if you want to make the journey to upgrading turbos for more power or invest in making what you have now faster which tuning other aspect of the car.

That is why the car is at home. So I can enjoy it some before the motor upgrades. It is not cheap doing turbo upgrades as the motor has to come out for that. As long as the funds are available, new turbo's will go on the car. Otherwise I will do my current exhaust housing upgrade that I already have in hands. .82AR to a 1.06AR. Increasing the compression ratio back to 11:1 will not require as much boost as before to get the same whp. I will gain whp no matter what happens. I could send the turbo's back to Xonarotor for a compressor wheel upgrade to a 58mm compressor wheel.

Mr.Squeeze · 11-19-2021, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Then the question is, what will fit without having to build custom tubular exhaust manifolds. Custom stuff isn't cheap at all as you know.

Bangs table lol Xona 65.64 130 pounds of air flow with a 58/64 compressor/ turbine will fits and will flow.

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Originally Posted by Spooler

That is why the car is at home. So I can enjoy it some before the motor upgrades. It is not cheap doing turbo upgrades as the motor has to come out for that. As long as the funds are available, new turbo's will go on the car. Otherwise I will do my current exhaust housing upgrade that I already have in hands. .82AR to a 1.06AR. Increasing the compression ratio back to 11:1 will not require as much boost as before to get the same whp. I will gain whp no matter what happens. I could send the turbo's back to Xonarotor for a compressor wheel upgrade to a 58mm compressor wheel.

Sending them back in for an upgrade not a bad idea either.

sirnixalot · 11-19-2021, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

I can say this. I was out of compressor wheel at 25psi of boost. That is when my IAT's started to climb. I ran out of turbine at 29psi of boost. That is when I made 996whp at 28psi and at 29psi I made 1004whp. So, the question is do I go to a 58mm compressor wheel or a 60mm compressor wheel.

If a little is good, more MUST be better, right?

Spooler · 11-19-2021, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sirnixalot

If a little is good, more MUST be better, right?

Not when it comes to turbos. I am very picky. I can't stand a laggy turbo.

DrBacon · 11-19-2021, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

The copper HG and hoops helps contains the combustion of the the head flexes and the cylinder move a little oreventing coolant from
Pushing out. It took many revisions to get this correct.

My only issue with soho is it's clear they only really care about themselves and not the VQ community as a whole. I could be totally wrong but I have a strong feeling if you were to contact them and try to buy just that copper headgasket they'd probably tell you to piss off (assuming you already have the hoops, which you can do without soho). And honestly I can't blame them, from a business perspective it makes sense. They did the R&D and obviously want people to go through them for engine builds and pay the soho premium. Ends up being quite the monopoly as there is literally no one else developing this platform. The lack of competition between companies are what drives the costs through the roof.

Spooler · 11-19-2021, 06:59 PM

Enjoy, this guy get's it. He is just on a different platform. The struggle is real.

cv129 · 11-19-2021, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Enjoy, this guy get's it. He is just on a different platform. The struggle is real.

Lol 4 minutes into the video and I was like “this is Spooler”.

Literally the only difference is the platform. The journey is, like, identical…

George@SOHO · 11-20-2021, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

My only issue with soho is it's clear they only really care about themselves and not the VQ community as a whole. I could be totally wrong but I have a strong feeling if you were to contact them and try to buy just that copper headgasket they'd probably tell you to piss off (assuming you already have the hoops, which you can do without soho). And honestly I can't blame them, from a business perspective it makes sense. They did the R&D and obviously want people to go through them for engine builds and pay the soho premium. Ends up being quite the monopoly as there is literally no one else developing this platform. The lack of competition between companies are what drives the costs through the roof.

If we did not care about the community we would not be developing anything for the VHR or sharing our information. And yes, you would be correct as we do not sell "just the gaskets". The whole top hoop system has to be 100% correct in machining. Do you have the correct hoop size? receiver groove depth? top hoop size and width? If any of this is wrong or even the top hoop groove and receiver groove are misaligned even the slightest the system will not work. So if I sell you gaskets and the machining is wrong, guess what you will still lift the heads and you will be pretty upset.

The "excess" of cost is due to the extra large amount of new and preinstalled components and services provided on top of your average "long block". We stand behind our work and will always stand behind it.

If you have any questions you can call or email me whenever you would like.

11-19-2021, 06:59 PM	#4843 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,506 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684391	Enjoy, this guy get's it. He is just on a different platform. The struggle is real. gbrettin and cv129 like this.

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11-19-2021, 12:24 PM	#4834 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,506 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684391	I can say this. I was out of compressor wheel at 25psi of boost. That is when my IAT's started to climb. I ran out of turbine at 29psi of boost. That is when I made 996whp at 28psi and at 29psi I made 1004whp. So, the question is do I go to a 58mm compressor wheel or a 60mm compressor wheel.