[Build Thread] -- Journey to 700+ WHP [Supercharger]

[ReflectingG0d]

Originally Posted by cupcakez

You should still have it under warranty unless you drove 700 miles in more than a year.

Did you talk to Kyle about the warranty and it being covered?

And how long ago was it that your Stage 3 blew out?

Depends who you ask. He says a foreign object made it's way into the cylinder, everyone else (including the machine shop it's at currently) says it was an issue with the valves/valve guides. Kyle chose not to warranty the motor, and wanted to charge me $2500 plus a new cylinder head to repair it. This happened a couple months ago and I am now looking to get it repaired locally. The car ran for 3 weeks under the break in instructions before failing. Never saw boost or even 4500 RPM.

[cupcakez]

Originally Posted by ReflectingG0d

Depends who you ask. He says a foreign object made it's way into the cylinder, everyone else (including the machine shop it's at currently) says it was an issue with the valves/valve guides. Kyle chose not to warranty the motor, and wanted to charge me $2500 plus a new cylinder head to repair it. This happened a couple months ago and I am now looking to get it repaired locally. The car ran for 3 weeks under the break in instructions before failing. Never saw boost or even 4500 RPM.

So I ended up changing it to a stage 4. I just forgot to edit it. I will edit it shortly.
Thats weird how he chose not to warranty it. Is there a reason why he said no?
Did he say to send it in and they can look at it or ?

I decided to source my block today from RJM.
I just purchased a bare closed deck short block with an added crank and a set of VVEL Heads 370z.
They will ship it by the end of this week to Kyles' shop and assemble it probably and hopefully next week.

I think its going to go well. Its closed deck so it will be strong. They say closed decks can hold up to 40+ psi and is for boosted applications.

The thing about IPP is that all the blocks they build are open. Therefore it is prone to fail if on a boosted application.

RJM told me they have had 5 IPP blocks sent to them for rebuilding in the past 6 months. That scared the crap out of me so I decided to go with a closed deck last second lol.

And I trust RJM because they make sick stuff lately lol.
Successful. Stuff.

[ReflectingG0d]

Originally Posted by cupcakez

So I ended up changing it to a stage 4. I just forgot to edit it. I will edit it shortly.
Thats weird how he chose not to warranty it. Is there a reason why he said no?
Did he say to send it in and they can look at it or ?

I decided to source my block today from RJM.
I just purchased a bare closed deck short block with an added crank and a set of VVEL Heads 370z.
They will ship it by the end of this week to Kyles' shop and assemble it probably and hopefully next week.

I think its going to go well. Its closed deck so it will be strong. They say closed decks can hold up to 40+ psi and is for boosted applications.

The thing about IPP is that all the blocks they build are open. Therefore it is prone to fail if on a boosted application.

RJM told me they have had 5 IPP blocks sent to them for rebuilding in the past 6 months. That scared the crap out of me so I decided to go with a closed deck last second lol.

And I trust RJM because they make sick stuff lately lol.
Successful. Stuff.

Yeah I had it sent to him for inspection and he denied it. Piece of **** motor.
No warranty. 5 in 6 months huh? I wonder if he's ever honored a warranty lol. Hope yours lasts longer. The issue was with the valves, not the bottom end, so a stronger block wouldn't have saved it.

[cupcakez]

Originally Posted by ReflectingG0d

Yeah I had it sent to him for inspection and he denied it. Piece of **** motor.
No warranty. 5 in 6 months huh? I wonder if he's ever honored a warranty lol. Hope yours lasts longer. The issue was with the valves, not the bottom end, so a stronger block wouldn't have saved it.

Thanks man. I hope itll go well too.
Hopefully I dont have a valve issue.
And im pretty sure a 3 vs 5 angle valve job is no visible difference haha

[solidus]

Originally Posted by cupcakez

So I ended up changing it to a stage 4. I just forgot to edit it. I will edit it shortly.
Thats weird how he chose not to warranty it. Is there a reason why he said no?
Did he say to send it in and they can look at it or ?

I decided to source my block today from RJM.
I just purchased a bare closed deck short block with an added crank and a set of VVEL Heads 370z.
They will ship it by the end of this week to Kyles' shop and assemble it probably and hopefully next week.

I think its going to go well. Its closed deck so it will be strong. They say closed decks can hold up to 40+ psi and is for boosted applications.

The thing about IPP is that all the blocks they build are open. Therefore it is prone to fail if on a boosted application.

RJM told me they have had 5 IPP blocks sent to them for rebuilding in the past 6 months. That scared the crap out of me so I decided to go with a closed deck last second lol.

And I trust RJM because they make sick stuff lately lol.
Successful. Stuff.

No hate but I hope to hell they are'nt doing your block next week. I've been waiting 8 weeks already and was told the delay was with work orders from winter projects. It is noteworthy though that RJM said they've had 5 blocks sent to them in 6 weeks. Either way I've already spent the near 10k on the motor and if it pops at 18psi for any reason I'll just get a new one , however I'd never let a chance slide by to state the facts. They way I see it a warranty on an item like this is something that you'll either get freely or you have to argue for it. I view it like arguing with a cook that your soup tastes bad and then demanding another bowl. I learned years ago in a Wendy's drive through that that's a bad idea. I complained about what was on a Bacon double cheeseburger from the drive through. The manager offered a new burger which I accepted and went home without checking. Get home and just for grins pulled the bun off to look. There was about 9 inches of hair weave curled up under all the mayonaise . Chalked it up to education and made 3 tasty and delicious PBJ's. These engine packages are all about faith. Trusting that there's a valve job, trusting there are JWT cams and they're C2's and not C1's. Trusting that the pistons are really 10:1 like I ordered and not 9:1 standard cuts or OEM 11:1. In cases like this Trust but verify is a bit awkward and I've heard the stories , but for myself I'll have faith until my faith is demonstrated to be bad judgement.

[cupcakez]

Originally Posted by solidus

No hate but I hope to hell they are'nt doing your block next week. I've been waiting 8 weeks already and was told the delay was with work orders from winter projects. It is noteworthy though that RJM said they've had 5 blocks sent to them in 6 weeks. Either way I've already spent the near 10k on the motor and if it pops at 18psi for any reason I'll just get a new one , however I'd never let a chance slide by to state the facts. They way I see it a warranty on an item like this is something that you'll either get freely or you have to argue for it. I view it like arguing with a cook that your soup tastes bad and then demanding another bowl. I learned years ago in a Wendy's drive through that that's a bad idea. I complained about what was on a Bacon double cheeseburger from the drive through. The manager offered a new burger which I accepted and went home without checking. Get home and just for grins pulled the bun off to look. There was about 9 inches of hair weave curled up under all the mayonaise . Chalked it up to education and made 3 tasty and delicious PBJ's. These engine packages are all about faith. Trusting that there's a valve job, trusting there are JWT cams and they're C2's and not C1's. Trusting that the pistons are really 10:1 like I ordered and not 9:1 standard cuts or OEM 11:1. In cases like this Trust but verify is a bit awkward and I've heard the stories , but for myself I'll have faith until my faith is demonstrated to be bad judgement.

They actually shipped my closed block with added crank and set of heads earlier this week. Not sure why they are holding your engine off for 8 weeks that is more than ridiculous.

I understand your logic. It really does come down to trust that a shop will hold their word to what you purchase.

However, because I ordered a Stage IV, I believe that had a big hand in an incentive to treat the custom built engine (IPP) to the utmost highest. Their name stands behind it, and I am sure they get very few orders of Stage IV's compared to the Stages 1 - 3.

An example is that when he had a core, they said that the core they got had damage to the crank -- and he would not use any core less than 100% for rebuilding the spec 4 block.

I thought to myself -- Does that mean they skimp out on their work usually?
Oh wait, of course. They are a business, every business will take the opportunity and consider skimping out on quality of work and pieces if they can. But I see it as because I ordered a stage 4, they are treating it like an engine of their own and not just "any other customers' order"

But yeah.
It was shipped to Texas 2 days ago and hopefully will arrive tomorrow or this coming Friday at the very latest.

[solidus]

Originally Posted by cupcakez

They actually shipped my closed block with added crank and set of heads earlier this week. Not sure why they are holding your engine off for 8 weeks that is more than ridiculous.

I understand your logic. It really does come down to trust that a shop will hold their word to what you purchase.

However, because I ordered a Stage IV, I believe that had a big hand in an incentive to treat the custom built engine (IPP) to the utmost highest. Their name stands behind it, and I am sure they get very few orders of Stage IV's compared to the Stages 1 - 3.

An example is that when he had a core, they said that the core they got had damage to the crank -- and he would not use any core less than 100% for rebuilding the spec 4 block.

I thought to myself -- Does that mean they skimp out on their work usually?
Oh wait, of course. They are a business, every business will take the opportunity and consider skimping out on quality of work and pieces if they can. But I see it as because I ordered a stage 4, they are treating it like an engine of their own and not just "any other customers' order"

But yeah.
It was shipped to Texas 2 days ago and hopefully will arrive tomorrow or this coming Friday at the very latest.

I get ya with the bespoke treatment for the stage 4, but keep in mind I know someone here in Orlando that had the same timeline as me with a stage 4. He got his already and so far I have'nt heard any problems. I just went with the stage 2 and added 10:1 pistons and Cosworth head gaskets. My aim is 700rwhp and done.