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WICKED_GRIN 01-24-2010 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Togo (Post 372538)
This has been my one huge gripe with the SC kits. I don't mind a subtle SC whine, its actually kind of sexy but if it sounds like this then oh hell fcuking no...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwW3S61NO00




The acoustics and esthetics in this video are too close to being a ricer!

Zguy 01-24-2010 11:42 AM

I dont know what he did to that to butcher it but my Vortech was no where near that loud......

Cjanik 01-24-2010 11:55 AM

I never noticed a supercharger that wasn't on TOP of the motor, how will a supercharger like that effect performance? thats a lot of air to compress in that tube to make the PSI high in the manifold.

Nontheless, if I were buying a supercharger kit and one required replacement of the hood, i'd opt for a different kit, so good job!!

LiquidZ 01-24-2010 12:24 PM

The first video was of a Procharger, which are known to be extremely noisy. I think the video Minicobra posted was a perfect example of a properly installed and functioning Vortech.

Mike 01-24-2010 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ (Post 372702)
The first video was of a Procharger, which are known to be extremely noisy. I think the video Minicobra posted was a perfect example of a properly installed and functioning Vortech.

Yep, the vortech I had on my C6 was very quiet.

Togo 01-24-2010 01:26 PM

Good to hear that the Vortech will likely not sound like THAT

blackbird 01-24-2010 02:56 PM

Just to throw a kink in the works. I have the Gen 3, Headers, HFC and exhaust & under pulley. Had CEL come on went to Dealer, it was reset and set to "learn" mode. Came on again and went off on it's own. Came on third time. Each time was at a different low temperature. Went to tuner guy. A hose on Gen 3 was a little loose. Replaced clamp. Engined checked by tuner guy on his black box ( I have no clue what they are called, little mini PC plugged into OBD) Engine running fine, Not lean. However, I was told to wait 60 seconds before I take off from a cold start. I do and have had no issues since.
May be a bit difficult to test 12 degree weather in California. February here will test the below 12 degree running.

Silo 01-24-2010 04:19 PM

Have heard the Vortech in person myself and that's why I am worried. Here is HQ video of a Vortech in a G35 and the rattle and squeaking from the belt drive is pretty loud:

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Silo 01-24-2010 04:26 PM

Have heard the Vortech in person myself and that's why I am worried. Here is a good recording of a Vortech in a G35 and the rattle and squeaking from the belt drive is well audiable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6LXS2luYww

LiquidZ 01-24-2010 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Silo (Post 372979)
Have heard the Vortech in person myself and that's why I am worried. Here is a good recording of a Vortech in a G35 and the rattle and squeaking from the belt drive is well audiable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6LXS2luYww

The easiest way to put this is that the sound is not for everybody. Gear driven superchargers will always have a sound to them. I personally like the sound.

Togo 01-24-2010 04:48 PM

^That wouldn't be that annoying at all in my book. Sounds really nice too when he revs it a bit.

theDreamer 01-24-2010 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Togo (Post 373014)
^That wouldn't be that annoying at all in my book. Sounds really nice too when he revs it a bit.

:iagree:
Plus the microphone is right there and the hood is open, sure it still produces plenty of noise in the car (with the hood closed).

Togo 01-24-2010 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 373016)
:iagree:
Plus the microphone is right there and the hood is open, sure it still produces plenty of noise in the car (with the hood closed).

Yeah that noise is nothing like the one I posted, I couldn't live with the other but this is sexy to me.

simota1 01-24-2010 05:03 PM

yah man ^^^ that thing sounds really nice... the 350z video though is a hell to the f*cking no lol

m4a1mustang 01-24-2010 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Silo (Post 372979)
Have heard the Vortech in person myself and that's why I am worried. Here is a good recording of a Vortech in a G35 and the rattle and squeaking from the belt drive is well audiable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6LXS2luYww

Is a beast mang. :tup:

G37Sam 01-24-2010 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Silo (Post 372979)
Have heard the Vortech in person myself and that's why I am worried. Here is a good recording of a Vortech in a G35 and the rattle and squeaking from the belt drive is well audiable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6LXS2luYww

Only thing I'd be worried from is the added unwanted attention from that sexy sounding blower.

RCZ 01-24-2010 09:48 PM

really? unwanted attention from who?

Buddy Revell 01-24-2010 10:21 PM

Would rattles like these be covered under Stillen's warranty?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF3gol5ak4Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq-7yj7_HUU

NYBladeZ 01-24-2010 10:29 PM

no discussion thus far about clutch/flywheel combos...would a JWT setup be more than adequate or does it look like a spec stage 2 would be better up to the task?

NewYorkJon34 01-25-2010 12:27 AM

^Was wondering the exact same thing?

2fast4thelaw 01-25-2010 08:40 AM

I can hear a lot of gear back lash noise in the vortech, this is why I prefer the Rotrex unit, it sounds a lot better. Turbochargers without a doubt sound the best but then you have other issues from the Turbo to contend with.

It will be interesting to see the Stillen setup in action vs the GTM setup as I like both units. I feel the Stillen setup is far superior except for the compressor unit. GTM has the better compressor but I doubt it will perform as well becasue the stock intake and air to air intercooler will not be as effective as Stillens water to air intercooler. But, we will see when both setups hit the dyno.

Not to get off topic but I hear rumor that GTM will be making a single turbo kit for the 370.

StillenZ 01-25-2010 09:01 AM

I'd love to see some single turbo options. I've been wondering if anyone was going to do this, but didn't know if it was tough because of the VQ engine or not. Seems like there's always something difficult with our engine and mods.

LiquidZ 01-25-2010 09:09 AM

I find it amusing how a few videos posted by somebody has caused a panic about Vortech superchargers.

RCZ 01-25-2010 09:43 AM

^ yeah its always funny to watch this phenomenon. No one posts up the 100 other kits that make no noise because they were properly installed.

G Fo12ce 01-25-2010 11:43 AM

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Is a beast mang.
Dammit. You beat me to it :roflpuke2:

1slow370 01-26-2010 04:11 AM

it's not gear backlash it's gear noise you only have backlash between spinning faster and spinning slower like right at the top of revving the engine between rpm going up and down for maybe half of a tenth of a second. All straight cut gears sound like that at those speeds there is nothing wrong. helical gears would be quieter but they eat more power and are weaker. the noise is probably due to improper set gear mesh, bearing issues or more likely a crappy jack shaft setup which varies from application to application.

Edit: notice how the rear side pulley on the jack shaft is moving when he rev's it = bad alignment with supercharger + bad mounting the whine could be belt bind and the pulley's screaming at the guy telling him they don't like to bend. thats for the squeal as for the chattering in some of the videos THAT could be backlash from the motor speeding up and slowing down at idle. again its due to the straightcut gears and not having a backlash eliminator(sheetmetal gear, or a two piece adjustable anti-lash gear)

1slow370 01-26-2010 04:33 AM

as for the unwanted attention it would be a problem if honda preludes started showing up near my car

RCZ 01-26-2010 11:53 AM

if anything that would be a deterrent. :)

1slow370 01-27-2010 03:06 AM

especially if i have to circle them with a video camera to show the world how it makes less than 300hp but it has RYMS and a phat exhaust can yo, when there is an F'ing supercharged g35 right fricken next to it.

Kyle@STILLEN 01-27-2010 08:06 PM

Development is coming along very well. Our tuner was working again today and is hoping to get back on the dyno as soon as tomorrow. We won't be releasing any of those numbers though. We are still waiting on the intercooler that is going into the manifold. This is integral when it comes to performance and tuning. Without the intercooler and all that hot air going into the engine we have to pull a bunch of timing and err on the side of caution so the dyno numbers won't be as good. Once the intercooler comes in we will be able to get more aggressive with the tuning and should be ready to release some numbers soon after.

Steve and our engineers have been reviewing the kit components and we've been sitting down to discuss pricing. We should have an answer shortly on where we lie for pricing. We may even be taking pre-orders pretty soon.

theDreamer 01-27-2010 08:07 PM

Kyle, are you using your own tuning software or bringing in another company? (Like copp, uprev, etc.)

Zsteve 01-27-2010 08:11 PM

man I hope its around 5K or so, I have that much coming to me from the Army for stop lossing my *** for a year.

LiquidZ 01-27-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 377312)
man I hope its around 5K or so, I have that much coming to me from the Army for stop lossing my *** for a year.

You deserve it :tup:

m4a1mustang 01-27-2010 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN (Post 377294)
Development is coming along very well. Our tuner was working again today and is hoping to get back on the dyno as soon as tomorrow. We won't be releasing any of those numbers though. We are still waiting on the intercooler that is going into the manifold. This is integral when it comes to performance and tuning. Without the intercooler and all that hot air going into the engine we have to pull a bunch of timing and err on the side of caution so the dyno numbers won't be as good. Once the intercooler comes in we will be able to get more aggressive with the tuning and should be ready to release some numbers soon after.

Steve and our engineers have been reviewing the kit components and we've been sitting down to discuss pricing. We should have an answer shortly on where we lie for pricing. We may even be taking pre-orders pretty soon.

Good to hear, Kyle. :tup:

1slow370 01-28-2010 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 377312)
man I hope its around 5K or so, I have that much coming to me from the Army for stop lossing my *** for a year.

I hope you are ready to be disappointed go on over to the vortech site and look at how much a base kit for 03-06 350z costs or hear let me do it for you 5,945.95 that is factory direct so the supercharger itself doesn't get cheaper than that, the fuel tunning is done through the uber cheap (and failure prone) turboxs utec, there is no custom manifold, there is no inter cooler, and if you are basing you're 5,000 dollar mark on the old stillen kit, a vortech V3 costs upwards of 2,500 dollars an mp62 costs less than 1500 so there is AT LEAST a 1000 dollars more cost than the old kit

StillenZ 01-28-2010 09:44 AM

^^^^^ Downer :(.... lol

Zsteve 01-28-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by StillenZ (Post 378023)
^^^^^ Downer :(.... lol

really dont know if I can do a $8K kit for 100 extra hp. Might just have to do the LSD and different gears then.

LiquidZ 01-28-2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 378072)
really dont know if I can do a $8K kit for 100 extra hp. Might just have to do the LSD and different gears then.

I dont think you should worry about it. One of the biggest advantages of a supercharger kit is the cost. $8k is twin turbo territory.

I think $6500'ish is reasonable for a turn key kit.

Red370 01-28-2010 12:39 PM

Agreed, shyt for 8k, might as well go TT, Superchargers should be a more cost effective way to boost and should not rival the cost of a twin turbo setup.

NYBladeZ 01-28-2010 01:02 PM

8K for the turbo kit would be super cheap, and does not include any supporting mods its hard to tell right now since I believe only GTM has a kit that they could mail you, AAM is still only doing in house installs. With that said $6500 would be nice and reasonable!


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