Breaking NEWS - GammaMotors Terminated SAM
 

Breaking NEWS - GammaMotors Terminated SAM Contract with the company of of Last week, Friday. Sam no longer works there.

I just got off the phone with Mawjid from GammaMotors.

Can confirm, he was let go after completing the technical portion of Gamma's twin turbo version 3 kit. I was on the phone with them in a 3 way.

did you have to pay extra for this? :bowrofl:

Sam will still work behind the curtains with them. They hired him knowing he's a crook, it wasn't news to them, so please don't insult us with this BS.

Man, this is like a Soap Opera.... :drama:

:iagree: this is just a soap opera for Z's haha :tup:

I'm glad to see that Gamma made a responsible move to be able to help themselves in this situation. Have Sam finish V3 and fire his *** haha. I hope the best to the new v3 and hopefully Gamma motors can set a better name for the product than Sam did. Hopefully issues are resolved as well in a timely manner

Actually he will not... I just got off the phone to confirm the news. Due to the negative reaction/Publicity they feel that it was best to part ways. This fits with the information that I have been telling everyone. Sam also hasnt returned any of my text messages or phone calls since friday which is rare... For Gamma this is good news! For New prospective Customers this should ease your decision to buy. From my conversations with the current management everything looks to be on the up and up. I am working with them on a few things and possibly a build for my nismo...

sooooooo can I make a quick poll?

who here thinks they actually brought him in, used him for a bit of knowledge, and then fired him?


and who thinks someone (maybe one of the faithful who still preach the GTM name here) mentioned the other thread and hatred over Sam's presence and "Gamma" went and "fired" him right then and there to maybe draw some customers back thinking that the cancer is gone.....



personally i'm purely business minded and option B seems to be what really happened.

so free parts for everyone like a oprah special? :tup:

I think they did before they handed him off. It makes sense. It was bad PR for them especially last week from this forum and MyG37.com. No bueno!

LOL I wish... they are doing everything on a case by case basis. and they are willing to help but its going to have to be a two way street... I scratch your back you scratch mine kind of thing... and before you or De get any ideas... No this isnt a netflix and chill kinda back scratching...:inoutroflpuke:

yea I read into that g37 debacle as well as obviously seeing it here.

it's rough because regardless if they did fire him or didn't they still are carrying the weight of his failure. too much bad PR against GTM and knowing it went to Gamma I see it being a rough road to recovery.

I mean you don't see too many Adolph's anymore do you?

:wtf2:

I mean...........we can work something out :yum:

actually next zdayz I wouldn't mind getting even a quick bit of shotgun seat time in that beast of yours. :tiphat:

that's what it sounded like they did. I've never dealt with them before. I called later to ask a quick question. He was super nice and told me to call anytime. I bought warpeacelove's unused uprev cable he got in his TT kit and they're still gonna give me the included custom base tunes and everything for my car. I'll keep everyone updated with how my experience goes.

I honestly think it was both. They brought him into the company to finish the v3 although knowing it would provide some rough feedback, but would make everyone in the communities take a breath and be like okay now that Sam's been fired for whatever reason it makes their company look responsible and that it will conduct none of the same actions that Sam has in the past.

That is the look that it gives anyway and its honestly a genius marketing scheme, because they get the whole new version of the TT system, but seem like they are a great company for Canning Sam


As to comment on FP's last post, it is sad to have the burden of Sam and GTM's screw up but honestly with the fact that they got the new technology out of Sam and all the customers that are unhappy, I see that incentive to buy the v3 kit for a bit more is going to come up. It gives them an opportunity to prove their worth and product to people of whom have been wronged.

It's true.

Dear Todd,

I am the owner and CEO of Gamma Motors. I was made aware of your contributions on the community’s forum and I appreciate your standing up for what is right.

You may have already heard, due to the issues the community has with Sam we decided, for the best interest of the business, to terminate Sam’s employment with the company. that was tough decision due to his knowledge and experience of our product line. We may use his services on an as needed basis, again for the best interest of our customers for continuity’s sake.

I appreciate you guys giving Gamma an opportunity. We have ready kits to ship including SuperCharger Stage 2 kits.

Regards,
Amin

If anything he will just be brought in as a consultant as needed, far far away from any business operations with Gamma.

I'd give it at least a few months before spending any money on their products. I'd let others test the waters and see what their reviews look like. Caveat emptor and all that rot. But I've gotten pretty cynical in my old age, so YMMV.

I applaud GAMMA, this was a smart move and a JUST move. The community is strong when we stand together and having "SAM the SCAM" employed there made for bad business image. That alone would steer business away... Im certain that this thread made it to their eyes.

Almost feel bad for him but then I remember the hundreds of people out thousands of dollars. Well nonetheless, hope he learns from his mistakes.

Now, let's see what Gamma can do.

Working out the deal Sam was giving us to make sure it holds true with the new CEO. Who knows if what Sam offered us off on the next 6 kits was approved by Amin.

I'll update my sales thread as soon as I know anything.

:eekdance:

:confused:

soooo this is like saying they may stick it in you raw.......

but might may actually spit on it first?

:wtf2:

Update. My discount on the next 6 kits are authorized. Waiting on a new price sheet and then I should be all ready to give out estimates.

I also addressed the warranty on the current supercharger kit I have in stock and will confirm it will come with the same warranty as the V3 kits available now for anyone interested.

Thank you for your patience everyone.

Very Nice Todd!
Wish I had the extra :twocents: right now because I would love to honestly have one of those twin supercharger kits if still available.

Not sure if I can believe this. I would be more willing to hand over cash if Gamma can make all the people who have paid up front for the V3 and other parts that are owed whole again.

Everyone has a right to protest. However I think the company needs to start making money in order to negotiate with those who are outed.

For the rest of you, if you didn't catch my posts in the other thread:

For anything not immediately ready to ship I will only require a deposit. Otherwise payment can come via PayPal, Debit or Credit card paid to Vivid Racing, not Gamma.

Just waiting on the price sheet and will then start replying to PMs requesting pricing.

Todd

So, officially Sam is gone. But will retain his services as a consultant.




Hmmmm sounds like what I'm going to do next spring when I retire.

Ousting that scammer was just a first step which gamma should have done in the first place. Don't forget they still haven't made good with the group buy guys. Imo, they don't deserve any support from this community and other until they delivered complete kits owed to those guys.

Gamma doesn't legally have to do anything about GTM/Sam's screw up. The fact that they are offering to take care of the upset customers of GTM to try and earn them as customers is their own marketing decision and a favor they were doing because Sam was aboard. They don't have to offer anyone from the Group Buy anything, yet even after Sam is gone they are still doing so.

At this point if you don't want to take a deal that Gamma is offering then there's a line for the lawsuit against Sam and pretty much stealing money from the group buy people.

Its Option A or Option B at this point

Legally they are not but morally they are selling parts that belongs to the guys in the group buy. Those guys are members of this community. We are all here to support one another if some people have forgotten that. Gamma is banned from here and myg37 for a reason. I still stand by my comment.

This. Followed by:

G37Sam hit the nail on the head.

Exactly. A pr gimmick to get the fan boys on the forum excited and start talking about them forum. :gtfo2:

I understand the morality behind them selling kits that are already mostly paid for by members of the group buy, but everyone has to also understand how business works. If a company like GTM goes under and another investor company like GAMMA comes along and picks up whatever product there actually was and then looks at the whole list of people that Sam screwed over, They have to charge something on the kits, otherwise they are giving out free kits to people that bought product that was never produced in the first place, and now are giving out their product in replacement of Sam's idiocy. (remember knowing Sam I guarantee he didn't have much product to sell in that time for the group buy, honestly that whole group buy was a scam besides the couple kits that have gone out because some one has bled it out of Sam)

That would bankrupt the company faster than Sam went bankrupt. They are immorally taking the product but its not like they are not offering it. In theory yes it would be great for every single person from the group buy gets their kit with a bow on it at their front door, BUT in reality it doesn't work that way in a scam run by a different company. Yes these people in the group buy put their hard earned money into the product and should received their product from GTM, that's why if you have a problem with the morality of the situation its best to get your product from the person who owes it to you (Sam), either that or a refund through the Lawsuit. I'm not at all disagreeing with everyone getting their money or parts, but you can't expect the new company that just invested in the parts to just hand those out .

Wouldn't it be much easier to pay 2k more than to sit in a line of lawsuits against Sam?; hoping he doesn't declare bankruptcy and then everyone in the group buy is screwed
I know this is easier said than done, and understand that supporting one another as a community is why we are all here and I do support that :tup: I am just a realist and look at things straight on. I know the 2k isn't fair to the people that already "paid in full" but remember your "paid in full" was part of a group order at a discounted price by GTM. not Gamma Motors.
The fact of wanting another 2k is the price to actually have a kit paid in full. From my knowledge a full TT kit by itself at a retail value with no add-ons is about 10k. I remember from the other thread I saw a lot of I paid 7k, 8k, 8.5k down on the kit. Well technically from a single kit stand point vrs a group buy (that gamma motors did not authorize) the avg 2k is about right on the amount owed on the kits.

if you are not to sure about ordering from GAMMA motors than wait for a shop to order the kit for you and get it and then pay your shop once they get it.


Work a deal with Gamma Motors or Get in line in the lawsuits

As most of you know, I have a Stage 1 G37 kit in stock, in my building, and I have added discounts on the first 6 kits (SC or TT) I sell and will pass savings on to you. Payment is to Vivid Racing via PayPal, Credit or Debit. This is not a special order item so cancellations are permitted prior to items shipping out. I will do 50% down (fully refundable) on any kit not on the shelf ready to ship. For what is on the shelf (stage 2 SC kits) I will babysit the order, request tracking immediately and wait patiently with you for it to arrive. Any issues I will deal with Gamma directly as your advocate.

Expecting the guys to pay 2K more? Talk about rubbing salt in the wounds. Gamma understand those guys are sitting on a kit that will never see the day of light. So what did they do? Like an opportunistic muthafucker they are. They're exploiting the situation by jacking up the price. It's Easy for someone outside to say just cough up another 2K or wait in line. You do understand the pond is most likely dried up right? Bankruptcy court isn't going to do **** for them. It's pathetic our justice system favors these scum bags. But I guess business is business, regarless how many are victimized.

And You don't know how long some of these guys had been out of their money. A few of them got sick of the waiting game they don't even own a Z anymore. How would you like to have 7K taken from you and to have someone tell you cough up more money or get to the back of the line, jack.2k isn't just pocket change to fling around. People have priorties and family to take care of. Like I said if gamma can't do the right thing. They don't deserve to be back into this community.

This seems so patently obvious, I'm curious this thread isn't titled as such. It appears Gamma underestimated the animosity that GTM had generated and realized ANY association with SAM is an instant non-starter for most.

Bullit made some outstanding points, however they had to know the history of the person with whom they were associating with. I mean is anyone totally exempt from being judged by the associations you keep?
Hennessey made a comeback (though I'd never support them), so it's not out of the question for this company.

i have called them twice now and no return phone call
they have my 4.2 stroker moter that is being converted to a 4.5
stage 3 SC upgrade kit.
and i lent Sam my traction control unit,
everything is paid for.
about 26000.00 us dollars. plus the traction control 2300.00
the engine i gave them was fully dressed ( drop it in and turn the key).
if any body can talk to them to get in touch with me please do so,
hopefully they will call me tomorrow.

thank you

Z eliminator

I hope you get your stuff Z elim...

Wow, I be getting couple hard nose buddies together to pay a visit. that is a lot of money. Wish you the best of luck

Guilt-by-association is a legal concept and doesn't really apply in The Real World. Birds of a feather flock together.

Maybe Gamma didn't realize what was going on when they bought out Sam/GTM. But that just make me question how well they do their homework. It'll be interesting to see where all this ends up in six months or so. I'm hoping that Gamma will be able to turn things around but have serious doubts.

To those that have lost money in the changeover: I don't see much hope for y'all from a legal standpoint. If you do win in court, you can't get blood out of a turnip. :( As much as you may hate it, paying a bit more to Gamma may be the only way you get anything at all (except a big bill from your lawyer). I'd still wait a bit before sending them any money. Best of luck to all of you.

How do you keep ending up with these kits if you don't mind me asking? You had this "special deal" on a kit about 4 months ago and then you sold it...now you have another one from a company not selling them to anyone else....just curious.