Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 3323552)

What should be allowed to happen is let Gamma become a member on the forum, so anyone who had a dog in the fight (GTM bs) is allowed to get answers transparently. No 3rd party should be allowed to post in the thread. At least give them a chance to tell their side. They havent been allowed to speak one word or even make a statement on if they intend to do anything about the group buy.

Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3323549)

YES.

When my fellow z brethren gets kicked around in bad business practices I will NOT sit idly and watch it contiue. I will however raise my voice if it can get some attention to help get him some resolutions. And I will continue to speak out to warn people of this shady company and become a potential victim :cool:

Don't estimate the power of this community when we come together. Have you guys forgotten that it was out voices that quickly put that scammer out the door? Unlike some of you (bullit, vivid, birdman) who think nothing can be done or nothing should be done, and that everything going down is simply normal business conducts. I think I speak for the majority of this community that we will not tollerate bad business practices here to go on, especially when so many people have been a victimized by it. You continue to bring it we will continue to knock it down.

Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3323549)

YES.

When my fellow z brethren gets kicked around in bad business practices I will NOT sit idly and watch it contiue. I will however raise my voice if it can get some attention to help get him some resolutions. And I will continue to speak out to warn people of this shady company and become a potential victim :cool:

Don't estimate the power of this community when we come together. Have you guys forgotten that it was out voices that quickly put that scammer out the door? Unlike some of you (bullit, vivid, birdman) who think nothing can be done or nothing should be done, and that everything going down is just normal business conducts. I think I speak for the majority of this community that we will not tollerate bad business practices here, especially when so many people have been a victimized by it. You continue to bring it we will continue to knock it down.

Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3323556)

Their email correspondence posted in the other thread states very clearly their intentions. We do not need to rehash it.

Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 3323546)

These comments continue to spiral out of control @fpenvy and @zbrah, I kindly ask you to stop with the accusations. Stop trying to wrap our name in with Sam and GTM and his scam. You have no basis for your accusations and what you are doing is smearing our name all over this forum as if we had something to do with it. Whether you intended to or not, you are affecting my reputation and my ability to do my job on this forum. I don't appreciate it, I didn't ask for it and I won't stand for it.

How would you like it if I came in to your work and prevented you from achieving your goals? Remind me again what I ever did to you to get treated this way? Was it because I bought a GTM SC kit and had to wait over a year to get the parts to have it completed so I could sell it? Was it because I was owed money by GTM that carried over and became Gamma's debt and in good faith they decided it was a good idea to take care of us on it? Is there a problem with either of those questions? I am asking you, and everyone else to simply stop, keep our name out of your mouth, I didn't do anything to deserve this.

Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3323549)

Don't estimate the power of this community when we come together. Have you guys forgotten that it was out voices that quickly put that scammer out the door? Unlike some of you (bullit, vivid, birdman) who think nothing can be done or nothing should be done, and that everything going down is simply normal business conducts. I think I speak for the majority of this community that we will not tollerate bad business practices here to go on, especially when so many people have been a victimized by it. You continue to bring it we will continue to knock it down.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3323300)

this is when I laugh at the few on here repping GTM/Gamma like some fuckin addict fresh out of rehab./QUOTE]

Originally Posted by birdman71 (Post 3323554)

I also stated earlier that those numbers are for the people of the group buy that said that they paid 7k-8.5k upfront. If you base it off the general consensus that a single TT kit from a non-group buy costs 10k. So yeah for people who do not have any piece of their kit, another payment may have to be made because Sam's scam was a Group Buy discounted price of which I do not believe Gamma Motors will honor because then at that point they are literally handing out new kits to unhappy GTM customers.

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3323577)

So it's FACT that if you were part of the group buy Gamma will send you your kit for an additional $2200 payment or that is something you just stated?

Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 3323575)

Sorry, thought you were directing that towards me. You weren't?

Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3323559)

Again Reading comprehension fail!!!!!

We are stating you have to go get yours if you want yours. But also note this company is a new company with the only link to the old GTM was the bought intellectual Property.....

Yes you can raise your voice all you want but there will be a point that you will do more harm than good! When a Company sees a Market as unfavorable they move on and all those who were trying to get reperations get screwed because you had a chip on your shoulder trying to save the whole world.

So to the audience reading this thread: You have a few choices...

1. Keep a calm head and read the facts laid out in this thread by me and several others who actually knew what was going on. Make an educated decision and buy through an intermediary like Todd @ vivid

2. Grab your pitchfork and burn all the bridges without giving the company a chance to rectify the situation. Like Zbrah is doing...

3. Stay silent and watch it unfold.

The choice is yours...

Originally Posted by BC416 (Post 3323584)

You do realize there is a sticky at the top of this forum that states: "Gamma = GTM".?

Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3323591)

which is inaccurate... Do you believe everything on the internet? If So I have a bridge I can sell you.... Good deal for you good deal for me!:bowrofl:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3323580)

no you're just pushing shit off your shelves. you have SC kits - people want SC kits - you want to make you money off said SC kits.

technically you're in the group of people out money/parts too, am I correct?

your posts sound like hopeful optimism that you can be made whole and also some marketing to keep possible customers coming that the warranties and replacement parts are available.

if I have something wrong here let me know.

Originally Posted by BC416 (Post 3323594)

But you are telling me it's inaccurate over the internet? Inception?!?!?

My point was you can't blame people for associating the new shop with the old. Especially when an admin sticked a thread that states they are the same shop. Hiring the dude who ran the old shop wasn't the smartest idea either.

Originally Posted by vividracing (Post 3323596)

I hope whatever has made you so angry in life has also made you look for a way to find happiness again soon.

Technically my company has been outed money and product. Both appear to be whole again however that remains to be seen once I start getting some kits sold.

My posts are to let people know what's going on between Gamma and my company, to let them know product is available for purchase with an added discount that I am passing on to the first 6 kits sold. I would call that sales, which is what I am here to do. When I have a product like a supercharger that's been incomplete sitting on a shelf for over a year, my boss wants it gone, even more now because it is complete and Gamma has agreed to warranty it.

I don't need you to be OK with it, I don't need you to buy it but if all you want to do is talk down to me for trying to do my job, then do us both a favor and don't talk to me or about me and we will get along just great.

Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3323578)

we are saying call them...

Originally Posted by birdman71 (Post 3323554)

I also stated earlier that those numbers are for the people of the group buy that said that they paid 7k-8.5k upfront that did not get anything. If you base it off the general consensus that a single TT kit from a non-group buy costs 10k. So yeah for people who do not have any piece of their kit, another payment may have to be made because Sam's scam was a Group Buy discounted price of which I do not believe Gamma Motors will honor because then at that point they are literally handing out new kits to unhappy GTM customers.
But for that point you stated; if you can get it completed cheaper elsewhere do so and it is a win win for you (the OP of the missing SC and piping) at that point besides being ripped off by Sam. You (the OP of the missing SC and piping) avoid Gamma's $2200 and you don't have to wait in line with the lawsuits (although if you have it completed and want to try and get the money you spent to complete the kit reimbursed I would suggest so)

Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 3323621)

People should buy the Stillen sc kit at least those guys delivers what you pay for!

Originally Posted by birdman71 (Post 3323622)

:drama:

This is some Jerry Springer sh!t up in here lmao.... I'm done re-stating facts to the some that just do not get it... :inoutroflpuke:


@ Jwick



Please re-read, First paragraph is for the topic of a buyers who did not get anything.
Second paragraph is for the topic of the $2200 quoted for the SC and piping for the one OP that had this issue.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3323599)

there was no anger in my posts towards you/vivid. simply just statements in regard to you thinking i'm bad mouthing you, your company, etc.

everything you just said is what I said in the previous post to you....but long winded. what was your goal or point with that? take my good points and word them as your own because they were in fact good points?

I don't care what you do honestly. I never had an issue but you're really driving it to be one. also in doing so not really making yourself nor the company you work for look good in the process. trust me just move along from whatever your issue is with me. not sure why or where it came from since I never spoke ill about you or vivid.

:tiphat:

Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3323550)

Reading Comprehension FAIL...:shakes head:

No one has stated they receive priority treatment based on amounts paid. However, what was stated is that because we spent so much money we made it a priority to know the interworkings of that company. This comes from building relationships and having constant communications... Usually meaning if GTM didnt answer the phone or we werent able to get the answer we wanted. We called up again that same day, we sent email follow ups after every call. We travelled out to the shop... On big builds like mine and Zeliminator this is almost a must no matter who is building your car.

This isnt being condescending this is being real! yeah someone may have lost $5k but does that compare to $26k like Zeliminator? are you really comparing the two? When I stated that those who spent more and are on the hook for more arent running for the pitchforks and are not blaming Gamma. We are taking a more rational and logical approach. By all means blame Gamma all you want. but facts are facts you can ignore them all you want and all it will do is make you look the fool.

I am taking a calmer head to the situation because I consider my money lost and anything I get in return is only a bonus! Do I want a full refund? HELL YEAH! Will I get the full refund? NO... Its a reality I have come to grips with. Call it lessons learned and I do all my own work now.

IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARE THEY LIABLE MORALLY OR LEGALLY!!! THEY BOUGHT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!

Your whole premise is based on inaccurate information what you see and hear on the forum. If they bought the business from Sam including assets then yes they would have a liability both legally and morally. Sam tried to sell the business several times and couldnt reach agreements with any of the possible buyers. I was not trying to put this out there but The only deal he could bring down was just for the intellectual rights and the relationships with manufacturers. This is based on the second hand information I received from insiders.



Tiller, Have you called them? Have you emailed them about your situation and sent them the invoices? I had to take the first steps to even get a response.

If we dont do the due dillegence we cant expect a new company to go find every bad situation GTM did. Just as an FYI... Sam was a horrible record keeper from what I saw and heard and with his health situation it got way worse! You hoped something didnt get left on his desk. It was known by several people that anything that landed on his desk was lost forever.

Originally Posted by birdman71 (Post 3323622)

Originally Posted by birdman71 (Post 3323628)

^^ Remember that the $8,500 you paid was for a discounted group buy run by a scammer. Not retail price for a single Kit and not including any add-ons

Originally Posted by birdman71 (Post 3323628)

^^ Remember that the $8,500 you paid was for a discounted group buy run by a scammer. Not retail price for a single Kit and not including any add-ons

Originally Posted by birdman71 (Post 3323628)

^^ Remember that the $8,500 you paid was for a discounted group buy run by a scammer. Not retail price for a single Kit and not including any add-ons

Originally Posted by tiller (Post 3323627)

Yes bullitt I sent my receipt and called many times,they told me if I want my kit in 2weeks it will cost me an extra 4000$,or else I should just be patient and stop calling,wait till December or January and then maybe get the rest of my parts at that time,meaning they have a kit started of mine so they dident just buy INTELLECTUAL propertythey have my kit which they themselves say that have just isent finished,I will not bad mouth gamma until I find out for myself that I am out 8500 for sure and they themselves have scammed me like Sam did,AND I have recorded conversations with them saying my kit was 97 % finished,then they said 70% finished in another conversation,so if I have to fly to California I will but hopefully i don't have to spend more hard earned money on something I already paid for.

Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3323565)

Lets stay on track guys... No more chit chat unless you have a personal experience with Gamma to report...

Originally Posted by tiller (Post 3323632)

No birdman it actually was not a group buy,I have receipt,it was thru Sam yes ,during the whole gamma take over,it was paid for end of November 2014,and I purchased a stage 2 complete sc kit and an oil cooler

Originally Posted by warpeacelove (Post 3323646)

Actually Gamma Took over "I think" in Early Summer of this year.

Originally Posted by warpeacelove (Post 3323640)

Folk shouldn't have a word to say if they weren't effected by GTM/Sam Misdeeds. If you didn't spent any money pertaining the Group Buy or elsewhere and didn't suffer and financial hardship from it. Then stay quiet. Like I said before, "I was a victim of Sam ways" But I opted to not air it out in Public but rather deal with him in Private (I don't burn my bridges).

And if forums members want to engage in business with GammaMotors so be it. More options to select from, No one should tell the next man who to investing in unless you providing him/her with that money. If not MYOB.

Originally Posted by njobe89 (Post 3323649)

i can't agree with that... so if i know someone is going to take your money and run, i should stay quiet and let you lose your money?

that would be like me running away from a gunman and i see you running towards him, i should just stay quiet and let you get shot.

i can agree with some of the things that are being said, but that part i can't agree with even 1%

good deeds travel slow, while bad deeds are travel supersonic speed

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3323630)

Not once have you shown this is a fact. I can make any statement I want. Doesn't mean it's a fact.

I think that California smog is getting to you...:rofl2:

Reading is fundamental. The dude bought a SC. He was never part of the group buy and he paid full price.:tup:

Originally Posted by tiller (Post 3323632)

No birdman it actually was not a group buy,I have receipt,it was thru Sam yes ,during the whole gamma take over,it was paid for end of November 2014,and I purchased a stage 2 complete sc kit and an oil cooler

Originally Posted by njobe89 (Post 3323649)

i can't agree with that... so if i know someone is going to take your money and run, i should stay quiet and let you lose your money?

that would be like me running away from a gunman and i see you running towards him, i should just stay quiet and let you get shot.

i can agree with some of the things that are being said, but that part i can't agree with even 1%

good deeds travel slow, while bad deeds are travel supersonic speed

Originally Posted by EVOHUNTER (Post 3323651)

Everyone's getting a little worked up over this situation.

lets be realistic here, in terms of law, Gamma doesn't owe anyone anything. It sucks to say, but its the truth :(

Gamma did not buy GTMs debt/short comings. If gamma goes around fixing all of GTM problems. They will go bankrupt, simple as that. So say they make everything right, they refund everyone's money, or ship the kits etc... They most likely will bankrupt, leaving everyone with a kit that is impossible to get parts etc.. Everyone's back at square 1.

Everyone needs to come to terms. GTM is done, its over, done.

Only time will tell if GAMMA is going to be a good company.