grab some lube.


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I Have Spent over $17K with GTM.

You do understand that they bought intellectual property meaning Sam's ideas correct? They bought misc. stuff like bullitt stated because there was no product. Everything is brand new made by Gamma. That being said when they offer someone that got SCREWED over by SAM (NOT GAMMA MOTORS) their TT kit for 2k, yes that 2k seems unfair to the customer but if you look at the 8k loss they are taking on a brand new turbo kit they had to produce from scratch; the loss they are taking by even offering the unhappy customers of GTM a chance at their turbo kit for 2k should be immensely appreciated because since they DO NOT have any of the "Owed Product" that Sam owes everyone. So they are taking an 8k loss per TT kit and you are complaining?

That is something most business will shoot down in the conference room because they are losing 80% on everything they sell to the GTM customers trying to fix Sam's mistake; all to try and earn them as a customer and show them that they are taking a huge loss to set things straight for the ones that did get screwed over.
Heck if I offered 80% off on all the insurance premiums I sell my boss would probably literally kill me. Why? because its something a business should never have to consider. But they are.

If anything this should be something that everyone should be happy about (I understand that a lot of money has been invested by a lot of people) but your only other option at this point is to wait in line with the Lawsuits.

Choose one.

A. Complain about how Gamma isn't doing things correctly even though all true evidence based off math, logic, and in person evidence (provided by Bullitt and Z elim) rather you can use your irrational emotions based on SAM's screw up and wait in line with the rest of the people for the lawsuit

B. Accept the fact that Gamma motors is doing everyone a favor even though it will cost everyone who has had money invested an extra 2k to more than likely upgrade to the v3 kits.

The choice is yours, may the odds ever be in your favor. :inoutroflpuke: :tup:

I am blown away by the responses in this thread. I have absolutely no idea how the concept has yet to be grasped by some of you.

Look at it this way.... Gamma is a completely different entity than GTM. Everyone keeps talking about making amends with unhappy customers. Which customers? As far as I know, Gamma hasn't had any unhappy customers. As a matter of fact, anyone that has actually spent money at Gamma seems to be pretty happy from what THEY are posting.

How are you supposed to blame a company for another companies bad business practices, then demand that they give you free stuff? I say free stuff because Gamma has paid for the manufacture of turbo kits, and are expected to give them away for no payment from GTM's old customers. From what Bullitt just said, Gamma bought the intellectual properties. They didnt inherit a bunch of full turbo kits laying around. Think about this logically, how do you expect Gamma to survive as a business if they pay thousands of dollars to manufacture turbo kits to give them away to some other companies pissed off customers? Does that make any sense to any of you? Would you do that? No you wouldn't. THAT is bad business practice.

The fact that Gamma is even offering anything to GTM's old customers shows to me that their morality is better than most. Hiring Sam was a bad idea. A really bad idea. In the eyes of most of you with your fire and pitchforks, there is nothing they can do right simply because they 1) bought intellectual property from GTM and 2) had Sam as an employee. They fired Sam, and you still aren't happy. What do you really expect from a company that is brand new?

Look, it sucks. Sam should be in jail for what he did, however he is protected under bankruptcy laws. That is how the business world works. Gamma saw an opportunity to grab some great products (intellectual property apparently, very little hard product) at a discounted price and decided to capitalize on it, yet they are being held responsible for something they had no hand in.

Congrats, brah. You the exclusive club!:tup:

If your name isn't bullit, vivid or warpeacelove

your current two options are:

1. Work with gamma.

2. File a small claim case

Some folks are just hard headed. Let them continue on:drama:

And we will continue to make sure potential customers steer clear of this company. They don't deserve the businesses here and prey on people. You bring up a other thread and we will be here.

I had pictures sent to me by sam of my actual kit,it just has not been finished,so yes I do think gamma owes me and others product,my kit that I spent 8500$ is sitting in there shop

You are the victim of a scam. Unfortunately I highly doubt you will be contacted by anyone because the only person to blame for that is Sam. Im sure he will not be following up with anyone.

Call them for yourself and talk to them.

i doubt it was pics of your actual kit. most likely some stock photos he had laying around to send to everyone who had the same thing on order.

So just continue to volley blame around until you get reparation? And by you I mean any customer that was wronged by GTM.

When was it stated that if you paid $2200 you got your missing V3 kit? The $2200 originally in question was what Gamma told the dude he needed to pay to complete the missing pieces of his SC kit. It had nothing to do with supplying someone a whole kit. If I remember correctly the guy was only missing the SC unit itself and intake piping. I guarantee you it doesn't cost Gamma $2200 to get those missing pieces and ship them to the guy. Therefore they are not taking a loss and in fact still making a little profit on top. They are completely in the right to do that but let's not put a spin on it that they are in any means taking a 'loss' supplying kits to former GTM customers.

they definitly could have been of somebody elses kit but in picture was my receipt and gamma also has said that they have my kit and are awaiting parts to finish it,maybe we should focus on these situations and these only before we cast judgement on gamma,if guys like me and others receive our stuff then lets pat gamma on the back but till then............

ask this guy for advice on how to deal with sam

http://i44.tinypic.com/jhqvrp.gif

but in all honesty, this is a double edged sword. nothing that can be done will be "right."

from a business prospective gamma can't just give free stuff away, because they are on the losing end then. if they acquired completed kits for no money, then yes they should give them for free. however, that doesn't seem to be the case.

from a average joe prospective, it's not fair that you should have to give more money on top of the money you have already given. unfortunately when he filed for bankruptcy, there is nothing you can do. you gave the money to his company and his company went under. it's like the stock market, if you give money for a stock and that stock crashes, you won't get your money back.

arguing back and forth won't fix any issue(s). only thing that would make it fair is, if sam pocketed that money and gave it back to the appropriate people. pointing fingers is just a waste of time and won't get anything done.

also, people have the right to be skeptical about gamma because they haven't delivered anything, yet. maybe if they start delivering to some people and fixing some things, they can gain some trust.

now i'll go back to enjoying drinking my monster.