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Sam would be back at square 1 except he invested money to start a new business with a down payment and the investors spotted the rest and then he is still stuck with debt and now 2 bad reputation businesses. Honestly I think Sam is finished selling parts and owning a business of the sort. I could see him getting a regular job after this all. Quote:
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We can keep this thread going until someone there reach out to you man. |
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Download the google talk plugin (Google Voice) on your computer and utilize that to make a phone call to them. |
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Hope your situation gets handled tiller, try and work a deal and negotiate a bit :tup: |
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A very productive conversation. it looks good I will post later tonight . Z eliminator |
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Well let me break it down for you then:
work a deal: if he ends up having to pay something for shipping, why not haggle a little to get the 4k down somewhat. negotiate: its a verb and the definition is to arrange for or bring about discussion and settlement of terms. So if you put the two together and if Gamma wants him to put in 4k to ship it, maybe I'm implying that if all else fails and he has to pay something to get it shipped why not try and get the price lower :tup: :twocents: |
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Guy paid in full for a sc kit. Gamma acknowledged they have his kit, most of it. Keep lying about how much of the kit is completed. Which makes me think they are shipping parts from his kit to fulfill other kits, possibly vivid for example. Why do you keep insisting this guy should have to handle more money to get what's his? Put yourself in his shoes, would any of that make sense to you? |
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My questions was what other deal is there to arrange and negotiate? This guy has already met his end of the contract. He paid in full. Gamma needs to meet their obligation and deliver what they owe to him. |
Second example Gamma withholding products and extorting money from paid customers.
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David, don't be condescending to me (which is all you have done most of this thread) If you learned to read, you would understand the "IF" that I put in front of those sentences; implying that YES There is a chance that gamma will be hard on wanting that 4k otherwise you do have to wait to get the kit. He also paid for his kit in November 2014 which makes him a GTM customer not a GAMMA customer. As bullitt stated GAMMA did not inherit ANY of GTMS debts although they want to help. I don't insist on him paying more money I wish no one had to pay anything more, but I said it before and I say it again I am a realist and understand how business works. Business does not always work in a way that it puts a smile on every customers face even if you try. I assumed you would understand that. I'm done trying to help here you can corrupt these guys more into believe that Gamma are nothing but bad news. They deserve a shot but I know they wont go bankrupt over a couple customers. I can see bullitt gave up a while back. Have fun :tup: :drama: |
If Burger King purchased an old McDonalds building, they can't just hand out old Big Macs. Nothing is there for to give out.
Now if they offer a discount on a few whoppers, that seems reasonable. I'm really hungry, so the food analogy made sense to me. |
No need for animosity between forum members :twocents: I think this is a good discussion to have, but we can do it without attacking each other :tiphat:
I know Gamma doesn't owe anything to anyone that did business with GTM. But let's just say they are down in the count, primarily due to association. The more they can do on that end, they better they're going to look in people's eyes. Obviously, as a business, they cannot just make everyone whole. It is an unfortunate situation. |
I'm hungry also, so on the food analogy, how would you feel about the following situation: You go into a restaurant, order food, and pay for it. Then while you wait for your food, the restaurant declares bankruptcy, another restaurant buys the recipes (i.e. intellectual property) and opens right back up with essentially the same menu at higher prices and starts taking new orders. Your order number is no longer valid, and the owner of the first restaurant who took your money at the register is still working behind the counter for the new restaurant making the exact same item that you ordered.
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I'm "corrupting" who now? lol never knew my words have the powers to corrupt minds of grown adults over the internet. Everything that I said about gamma are being supported by the guys who have had personal experience dealing with gamma. All you and bullit have done is diverting the facts that gamma is commiting extortion to get more money into their pockets. Keep pushing these guys to go away quietly and " work out a deal" with gamma. Please. I and a few others won't sit here and let that happen. If gamma doesn't want to answer their calls. We will continue to put on the heat and give them bad rep in every thread you guys put up until the here guys get what's owed to them.
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Good luck with that then! Honestly. I understand both sides here because I have been scammed for a big sum of money before and never saw a cent of it nor the product and I also understand there are the members that have all this money invested; but I'm sorry legalities will win in court and in the business world over everything you "think" is morally right and wrong. You can keep trying but a business will only budge so much, especially if they are already doing the ripped off GTM customers a favor. I've learned first hand.. (not with GTM or Gamma, completely separate purchase implied) |
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You didn't respect my first request @zbrah, in fact you didn't even acknowledge it. So once again I am going to ask you nicely. While you're over there thriving off the energy you get from arguing with everyone, please for the last time, leave my company's name out of your theories as it pertains to other people's situations. You are spewing hearsay all over this thread to things you can't prove or back up and it's affecting with my ability to maintain a good image as a vendor in this forum. This is my job and you are playing with my income right now. Nobody in my position would take lightly to this much less kindly ask you to stop for a second time. Knock it off. |
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Everyone should order stuff from Todd at Vivid Racing!!!! Great Vendor! |
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I'm not a group buy participant, but I am a GTM customer. While we had some issues, they were worked out eventually. I don't have any part of this situation, my post was just the first thing that popped in my head while I lurked the thread. Looking forward for more material to read while I poop. :ugh2: |
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Never once have I encouraged these guys to go in silence and take it how it is. I have encouraged them to call Gamma Motors and see if they can use leverage to get Gamma to do what they want them to do, OR you can try and get the best deal possible on the money they want to charge you, pay it, and then include it in your lawsuit that you hope to win and get money back.. if it hasn't been clear enough... EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN RIPPED OFF BY SAM AND GTM CALL GAMMA MOTORS TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR YOU! :hello: |
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Holy ****. It only took you about five responses to actually state that none of your information was fact and instead just your opinion. You crack me up. Reading your responses is highly entertaining. Rock on bro :rock: |
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:icon18: No it took 5 responses for you to understand that the numbers I was using for my examples, which is why you put multiple replies to separate people together.. lol is everyone as dumb as you in Texas? I sure hope not. Plus I've stated to call Gamma motors multiple times for accurate numbers
All of the information I've been stating and elaborating on has been from someone who actually has been to the shop as of recently or has had consistent insight on this entire process and of whom I have personally discussed The only information I have seen out of either of your or David's posts are that Gamma cannot be trusted ever and about how Sam is a scam and how everyone who does cater to every customers whim should be banned because we have a community. As a community you should also know that although opinions can differentiate but when you start with the insults and condescending behavior all it does it bring tension among the community. But seems to me that you guys do not understand that; please do not say that I have done it too and I am the reason why you guys are because the twice I have been insulting or condescending was after it was already dealt. Remember that respect isn't given freely Speaking of respect, doesn't seem like David has acknowledged Todd's post. Also, how is it that you ended up misunderstanding that last statement? They've called everyone on GTM's list? really? then what is with the issue about how people haven't heard from them and have to call them? |
Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way but just being legal is below the minimum standard for people I will do business with. If a company is not willing to treat me and other customers in a fashion that goes above and beyond "legal", I'll take my business elsewhere.
Maybe the GTM-to-Gamma changeover is completely legit and Gamma is a completely separate company that only bought GTM's IP. But, with them keeping Sam on, it sure doesn't look that way. Since I am not privy to the inner workings of Gamma (or any other vendor), all I have to go on is appearances. Back to the food analogy: if a restaurant cook gives everybody food poisoning and sells his recipes/equipment/building to new owners, I'm not eating there if the same cook is still working there - in any capacity. If anybody else wants to take their chances, I wish them well ... but don't expect a lot of sympathy when you start puking up your supper. No matter what the truth is (we'll never know for sure), Gamma made a very bad business decision when they decided to keep Sam on the payroll. |
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And just to add, this thread goes to the next page too quickly, I honestly haven't read any of the longer posts :rofl2: just barely skimmed over what stands out. So don't feel so bad if I didn't acknowledge you ;) |
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I know first hand Todd's product and customer service is top notch :tup: I can agree with how fast this thread is going though |
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I made a simple joke because your hardheaded *** continued to make the same statements over and over again but never answered my first question. You also continue to add more and more new information every time you post a response. This time you added that all your information is from people speaking directly with Gamma during visits to the shop. You could have listed this as a fact but also information you received from a 3rd party so you cannot completely verify. Please continue to response because I need something to do between innings :tup: FYI - if you actually read my posts you would know that I have no horse in this race. I was simply trying to get you to clarify a statement and you went left. |
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Stopped reading this thread last night because I went to bed. I like my sleep. :D It has gone from page 3 to page 11 when I started to read it again. And nothing as changed. It's the same people arguing. :wtf2: I can see both sides of the argument. For this to work out is to give it time. Either Gamma will prove themselves or they implode. Then we will see which side was right.
Plus there is 4+ vendors on the forum reading this thread. Do you think that this type of arguing doesn't make them nervous? Wondering who's next. |
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